Darren Jolly Trade Thread

[rdangelo]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

Beeg was on the money.

I was actually surprised with us offering 18 to Carlton over 14, but it's falling into place now.

Dawes goes to Melbourne for 18
Fevola comes to Collingwood for 18 and Macaffer
Jolly comes to Collingwood for 14

Fraser finds a new job.

Malthouse is chasing a flag.

Haha i wish this trade was easy. I will edit it for how I see it;

Dawes goes to Melbourne for 18
Fevola comes to Collingwood for 18 and Rusling or Reid
Jolly comes to Collingwood for 14

Somehow I can also see Fraser off to Sydney. I would like him permanently in our forward line though, with Fev, Trav and Jack Then Dicky Medders Leon and Dids swooping the packs!!

 

[rdangelo]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

If Jolly and Fev trades worked; My Pies 2009 lineup. Plenty experience, plenty youth. Couldn't fit in wood, lockyer or l.brown though. Looks like a pretty good side!

toovey presti n.brown
o'brien maxwell shaw
didak pendlebury beams
fraser cloke dick
anthony fevola medhurst
jolly swan davis

INT: thomas sidebottom b.johnson wellingham

EMG: wood goldsack lockyer l.brown cox o'bree rusling mccarthy

 

[Frankie23]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

Does anyone else think pick 14 + another decent young player is paying too much?

If we wants out, they can't really stop him, and 14 is good compensation

 

[grimlock]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

Does anyone else think pick 14 + another decent young player is paying too much?

If we wants out, they can't really stop him, and 14 is good compensation

Yes we can, it's called a binding contract.

 

[wicksy]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

Does anyone else think pick 14 + another decent young player is paying too much?

If we wants out, they can't really stop him, and 14 is good compensation

Except for the contract he signed....

 

[mattys123]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

Yes we can, it's called a binding contract.

Actually the contract only forces him to play AFL football with the swans.

If Jolly wanted out so much, he could sit out of football for the remainder of the contract, although obviously this is unlikely.

I'd say Sydney would still be quite accommodating if Jolly has come to them and asked for a trade, as he is 28 years old and will be too old by the time the Swans premiership window comes around again (a 10-12 year gap according to stats).

If no one else shows real interest in Jolly, I'd predict that pick 14 could be the only thing needed to get Jolly to the pies.

 

[AG]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

as he is 28 years old and will be too old by the time the Swans premiership window comes around again (a 10-12 year gap according to stats).

Huh? Then 95% of the list won't be part of our next premiership. I would have thought 3-6 years is the amount of time it takes to bounce back to finals football.

 

[didaka]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

So ah, who expects Hawthorn to out bid us now that Campbell has retired, we miss Jolly and don't pursue Fev therefor not closing the gap between us and the better sides.

 

[danielnajdek]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

Aint hawthorn getting Burgoyne and Josh Gibson?

 

[Old Spice]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

So ah, who expects Hawthorn to out bid us now that Campbell has retired, we miss Jolly and don't pursue Fev therefor not closing the gap between us and the better sides.

The Burgoyne and Lovett palavas work for us, we should be able to stitch up Jolly while Hawks are horse-trading for Burgoyne.

I really hope Maxwell has been misqouted or is foxing, because a Fev deal would be gold-dust.

 

[Zahki]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

So ah, who expects Hawthorn to out bid us now that Campbell has retired, we miss Jolly and don't pursue Fev therefor not closing the gap between us and the better sides.

They definitely seem eager. But hopefully Collingwood do what the article says and get the Swans to sign off on it early Monday. Get in while Hawthorn are still slap fighting Port over Burgoyne and they won't have a chance to offer their first rounder.

Really splashing the offer all over the media was the worst possible thing. Keeping things low key til the last possible moment would've been better than giving the Hawks a sniff of a better deal than Burgoyne.

 

[Bay Pie]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

They definitely seem eager. But hopefully Collingwood do what the article says and get the Swans to sign off on it early Monday. Get in while Hawthorn are still slap fighting Port over Burgoyne and they won't have a chance to offer their first rounder.

Exactly.

Jolly for pick 14 with us helping the Swans land Mark Seaby.

 

[Rookie]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

Exactly.

Jolly for pick 14 with us helping the Swans land Mark Seaby.

This sounds about right, but in this scenario I can't see the West Coast letting go of Seaby for anything less than your second-rounder. Why would they need to, they can simply deal directly with Sydney for their third-rounder and so Collingwood would need to beat this with their second.

So:

West Coast gain Collingwood's Second Rounder
West Coast lose Seaby
Collingwood gain Jolly, lose first and second rounders
Sydney gain Seaby and pick 14, lose Jolly.

Still think the Swans might want more, so cue inane trading of picks as well.

edit:
On the Swans board it looks like Hawthorn are willing to offer 9 + Kennedy or McGlynn, which easily trumps your offer...

 

[Bay Pie]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

edit:
On the Swans board it looks like Hawthorn are willing to offer 9 + Kennedy or McGlynn, which easily trumps your offer...

I doubt very much Hawthorn will do anything with pick 9 but give it to Port for Junior Burger. McGlynn is not worth tissue paper. Kennedy has appeal.

 

[mattys123]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

Huh? Then 95% of the list won't be part of our next premiership. I would have thought 3-6 years is the amount of time it takes to bounce back to finals football.

10-12 years is the statistical average between sides having a genuine shot at a premiership in the last 20 years (basically the AFL).

Sure, Sydney may be back in the finals in 1-2 years, but with Goodes and Kirk not getting any younger, and Jolly at 28, they would have to consider their options about being able to rebuild quicker then most.

 

[mdc]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

10-12 years is the statistical average between sides having a genuine shot at a premiership in the last 20 years (basically the AFL).

How did you arrive at this "statistical average"?

 

[Optimax]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

How did you arrive at this "statistical average"?

It is what the AFL pushes

Its thanks to this wonderful draft and socialist policy

 

[mattys123]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

How did you arrive at this "statistical average"?

It's actually a statistical fact, don't want to go into too much detail, but a poster on another BB posted a graph that showed each sides GF and premierships since the AFL came into effect (1990).

And it was eerily correct, with only Essendon in 93 and 2000 breaking the 10-12 gap between premiership teams.

 

[smiddaz123]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

20 years is far to small a sample size to show a 10-12 year gap as statistical fact.

 

[mattys123]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

20 years is far to small a sample size to show a 10-12 year gap as statistical fact.

Well the draft and salary cap system has only been in effect since 1987, so not much difference there.

 

[mdc]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

It's actually a statistical fact, don't want to go into too much detail, but a poster on another BB posted a graph that showed each sides GF and premierships since the AFL came into effect (1990).

And it was eerily correct, with only Essendon in 93 and 2000 breaking the 10-12 gap between premiership teams.

Indulge me. A link would suffice.

 

[Quicky]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

I am concerned that Hawthorn will stall in a deal with Burgoyne and make Jolly their first priority during trade week. Port Adelaide are asking for pick 9 and one of Lewis or Birchall which is clearly over the top for Burgoyne. I would have said it was foxing but Ports history in trading suggests otherwise. Hawthorn are reportedly prepared to part with pick 9 and Kennedy in order to snare Jolly. In this case what do you think we would be willing to part with in order to get Jolly - that would trump Hawthorns reported offer??

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

The issue is that for Hawthorn to make that offer, they'd need to give up on Burgoyne, but I'm not sure they'd be willing to do that before the second day of trade week, which means that we have at least a whole day to ourselves to get Sydney to complete the deal with us before Hawthorn are even free to make a proper offer.

 

[Swan4Brownlow]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

I am concerned that Hawthorn will stall in a deal with Burgoyne and make Jolly their first priority during trade week. Port Adelaide are asking for pick 9 and one of Lewis or Birchall which is clearly over the top for Burgoyne. I would have said it was foxing but Ports history in trading suggests otherwise. Hawthorn are reportedly prepared to part with pick 9 and Kennedy in order to snare Jolly. In this case what do you think we would be willing to part with in order to get Jolly - that would trump Hawthorns reported offer??

If they use pick 9 on Jolly then there is no way Port will trade them Burgoyne unless they offered up 2 players like Lewis and Schoenmakers or something along those lines. So IMO its one or the other for the Hawks, keeping in mind they're also looking at Gibson. Sure they would have some room in the cap but if they bring in Burgoyne, Jolly and Gibson theres more than $1 million a year in the cap and theres no way they have that much room. Plus they havent really lost anyone of note (yet) depending on if Leiw is part of a trade. Add to this the fact that Buddy and Roughy and the like are only going to be given bigger contracts and I cant see them being able to bring in all 3 of those players. Burgoyne very well may get through to Essendon if the Hawks go after Jolly

 

[Copeland]

Re: Collingwood makes Darren Jolly offer

Port always seem greedy at trade time for some reason.