No Oppo Supporters DEATH RIDE 2: A TEAGUE OF THEIR OWN! (Picks 3 and 21)

[GROTTO]

Posters want only a SOS statue at AO for services rendered for the AFC. We should also consider Stocker here as well. Might need to erect one up for him.

 

[Bayno82]

So, we traded pick 19 for 28 and 19????

Carlton traded their 2019 second rounder to Gws for Setterfield. Gws traded that pick to us on the draft night as compensation for moving from Pick 19 to 28 in 2018 draft

 

[GROTTO]

I am staggered by the mentality of Carlton.

Criticising Bolton for not moving Carlton’s list forward is like criticising a reception teacher because her class is no more advanced this year than her class three years ago!

How is Bolton meant to coach and implement a game plan when there are so many list changes? Each year more than a third of the was changed and he needed to drill the foundations back into the new recruits, before moving everyone forward.

Bolton didnt have any support for him when Neil Craig left.

He never had a say on which players to bring in.

he was always SOS's puppet. Unfortunately he paid the price and will never coach at senior level again unless in an interim capacity.

When we offered Carlton are leftover scraps like Lyon etc, Carlton should have been grateful and appreciative. It was a fair deal which left them with egg on their faces.

Ultimately I blame SOS for the demise of Bolton, the 1st rounder swaps was really the beginning of death by a 1000 cuts.

 

[Large 1]

So, we traded pick 19 for 28 and 19????

We traded pick 24 in 2018 and a future 5th rounder to GWS for Carlton’s 2019 second (currently 19) and 2018 pick 28 (which we used for will hamill at 30).

AN ABSOLUTE STEAL!

 

[radiojake]

I think there was a deal aswell about the Crows not bidding on a GWS academy player involved too

Clubs probably anticipate Crows to bid on all players

 

[Golumless]

So, we traded pick 19 for 28 and 19????

Not even - we traded 24 + 70 odd (wgaf) for 28 + 19

The joys of having a reputation of liking a bid on academy players.

 

[CrowEater888]

Bolton didnt have any support for him when Neil Craig left.

He never had a say on which players to bring in.

he was always SOS's puppet. Unfortunately he paid the price and will never coach at senior level again unless in an interim capacity.

When we offered Carlton are leftover scraps like Lyon etc, Carlton should have been grateful and appreciative. It was a fair deal which left them with egg on their faces.

Ultimately I blame SOS for the demise of Bolton, the 1st rounder swaps was really the beginning of death by a 1000 cuts.

Its funny that you should say it's all on SOS.

If you watch the trade video Bolton barely gets a word in, nor is he sitting at the main table. A stark contrast to the GC and Saints videos where the respective coaches seem deeply involved in events.

Perhaps that is due to the editing, but I have my doubts.

 

[GROTTO]

Its funny that you should say it's all on SOS.

If you watch the trade video Bolton barely gets a word in, nor is he sitting at the main table. A stark contrast to the GC and Saints videos where the respective coaches seem deeply involved in events.

Perhaps that is due to the editing, but I have my doubts.

I would love to know but we will never will, if deep down Bolts never wanted to do the deal because in his honest opinion was that Carlton are crap and they were never going to win more 2-3 games in 2019 but couldnt tell SOS that.

I wouldnt care if Blues had Clarko in January of this year. Carlton were never going to win enough games to escape another bottom 4 finish. No coach was going to save them.

Carlton should explore going into the VFL.

 

[crows dude]

SOS seems to have to much say for a list manager. We only hear from Reid during trade time and he leaves it to Haggis and the recruiting team to recruit the players he wants on draft day. SOS seems to do it all.

 

[Scorpus]

So, we traded pick 19 for 28 and 19????

When not factoring in academy selections and compensation picks, yes

 

[crows dude]

SOS seems to have to much say for a list manager. We only hear from Reid during trade time and he leaves it to Haggis and the recruiting team to recruit the players he wants on draft day. SOS seems to do it all.

Oh and what does Brad Llyod do. Hes the Head of Football but it seems to be Silvagni that does everthing

 

[Crow till I die]

When not factoring in academy selections and compensation picks, yes

The upshot for GWS though was that they got Ian Hill who they liked AND it meant we did not have the opportunity to place a bid on Briggs (their academy ruck) that we may have been after so it meant they had later points to secure him on any bid after us. So whilst it was a steep price to pay, GWS got 2 players they really wanted last year

 

[jackster83]

Bolton didnt have any support for him when Neil Craig left.

He never had a say on which players to bring in.

he was always SOS's puppet. Unfortunately he paid the price and will never coach at senior level again unless in an interim capacity.

When we offered Carlton are leftover scraps like Lyon etc, Carlton should have been grateful and appreciative. It was a fair deal which left them with egg on their faces.

Ultimately I blame SOS for the demise of Bolton, the 1st rounder swaps was really the beginning of death by a 1000 cuts.

Neil Craig left Carlton in a great place, just like he left Essendon and Melbourne. Success just follows him around...

 

[GROTTO]

SOS seems to have to much say for a list manager. We only hear from Reid during trade time and he leaves it to Haggis and the recruiting team to recruit the players he wants on draft day. SOS seems to do it all.

SOS should consider also playing full back and coach the team as well.

 

[jo172]

Neil Craig left Carlton in a great place, just like he left Essendon and Melbourne. Success just follows him around...

To be fair, it's not as if he walked into great situations with any of those either.

 

[DJ75]

Neil Craig left Carlton in a great place, just like he left Essendon and Melbourne. Success just follows him around...

AND us. I'm positive we are still fighting the 'values' he instilled, including;

• Preparing professionally to play each week. It means looking at it like a job.
• Playing in a manner that means you can play each week. No passion allowed.
• Corralling a player rather than attacking
• Conservative selections at all times.

I'm very confident that his way still permeates the club and it's why I want guys like Campo gone so we can actually start fresh.

 

[Thetrader15]

We traded pick 24 in 2018 and a future 5th rounder to GWS for Carlton’s 2019 second (currently 19) and 2018 pick 28 (which we used for will hamill at 30).

AN ABSOLUTE STEAL!

And there are people out there saying Reidy is no good!

 

[NikkiNoo]

The upshot for GWS though was that they got Ian Hill who they liked AND it meant we did not have the opportunity to place a bid on Briggs (their academy ruck) that we may have been after so it meant they had later points to secure him on any bid after us. So whilst it was a steep price to pay, GWS got 2 players they really wanted last year

Everyone expected us to bid on Briggs early to force GWS to use up picks (which we've done to GWS and North before). It was what Carlton and others were banking on happening so that they could do some swaps. When we didn't, all those cunning plans had to be changed quickly.

It meant that GWS could pick another player at 22 (Xavier O'Halloran) and then Gold Coast swapped their picks 27 and 32 to get West Coast's Lycett compensation pick. GWS then jumped at the chance for the next pick (ours) for Ian Hill before West Coast could nab him, which meant that anyone bidding on Briggs would make them give up picks they weren't going to use.

It also gave us some fun times later in the draft - we got Carlton's pick 64 (AND their next year's 5th rounder), immediately before Geelong so we could get Sholl from right under Geelong's nose (they had the pick immediately after Carlton's). The look on Scott's face was delightful at the time.

 

[GrommoT]

So, we traded pick 19 for 28 and 19????

The pick #19 we traded to Carlton (for Stocker) was #16 we got from Melb from the Lever trade and ended up as #19 from Academy bid matching.

 

[GROTTO]

The pick #19 we traded to Carlton (for Stocker) was #16 we got from Melb from the Lever trade and ended up as #19 from Academy bid matching.

Thanks I forgot about that.

Glory be there would be some awesome flow chart of tracking how we ended up with Pick 1 this year and that Lever deal was a part of that.

 

[cmndstab]

It also gave us some fun times later in the draft - we got Carlton's pick 64 (AND their next year's 5th rounder), immediately before Geelong so we could get Sholl from right under Geelong's nose (they had the pick immediately after Carlton's). The look on Scott's face was delightful at the time.

Is there footage of this?

 

[NikkiNoo]

Is there footage of this?

Not that I've been able to see. It was only on the day telecast.

 

[ABAB]

When not factoring in academy selections and compensation picks, yes

I think GWS' pick was 23 if not factoring those in so pick 19 got pick 19 + 23 so it made the trade even more nuts.....but they probably didn't think Carlton would have finish bottom in consecutive years, hence it made this trade very good for us (similar to the Gibbs trade) all because they finished last.

 

[Pugsley]

Sliding doors with WFLS and ice cream


If Rhyce Shaw was to quit after last weeks win, would that still make him a better coach than Brad Scott?

Did the Chinese actually try to poison the St. Kilda side so they wouldn't have to watch Port Adelaide and did the sponsors actually drive distinguished guests to the wrong venue to save having to embarrass themselves?

Ross Lyon actually has Fremantle beating premiership contenders and now wants to ruin his career by coaching another rabble.

So much to analyze in the coming weeks. I'll leave you with my favourite sliding doors

Until next week, goodbye for now

 

[chazwazza]

Neil Craig left Carlton in a great place, just like he left Essendon and Melbourne. Success just follows him around...

To be fair a lot of people have left those clubs worse off.