Mega Thread Delist/Trade/Draft Supermegaultrathread - It's Never Too Soon edition

[flamingEMBERS]

N.B. Assumption is WCE want Waterman.

We will pay fair value - the other clubs through their interest (or lack of) will determine the 'purchase price'.

In some respects it is a little like real estate. Put a highly sought after property on the market and the buyers can push the price up. Put a dog of a property on the market and the lack of buyers pulls the price down.

Father and son drafting and draft picks used is exactly like that.

it was more tongue in cheek about how they assumed us of tanking in 2010. When really we blundered it in 2009

 

[salo]

The more we win and the further we go down the draft order, the more I'm willing to consider Pickett.

We can mathematically finish 7th in which case pick 12 seems a bit more palatable a cost than pick 6 or so.

we can mathematically finish first!

 

[Clint Beastwood]

we can mathematically finish first!

Explain that maths to me?

 

[bluengold89]

Explain that maths to me?

If we won the grand final we'd get pick 18 (i.e finishing first).

 

[Clint Beastwood]

If we won the grand final we'd get pick 18 (i.e finishing first).

True. My error, I thought we were talking regular season.

 

[eaglesfan99]

If we won the grand final we'd get pick 18 (i.e finishing first).

No its based on the ladder you idiot.

 

[Bluey_McKenna]

No its based on the ladder you idiot.

Yeah-nah.

 

[eaglesfan99]

Yeah-nah.

History[edit]
When the competition was known as the Victorian Football League (VFL), the league introduced the first incarnation of a draft system in 1981, where teams had two selections each of interstate players determined by reverse finishing position order.[1]

The draft was introduced as an equalisation strategy in response to the increasing transfer fees and player salaries at the time, which in combination with declining attendances threatened to derail the league. It was also a result of the failure of country zoning, introduced in 1967, which had led to a systematic inequality whereby the clubs with the best zones, like Carlton and Hawthorn, could dominate over clubs with poorer zones like Melbourne.

In 1986, the first of the modern VFL Drafts was held. The draft was run in conjunction to the existing zone system. Players from West Australian Football League and the new West Coast Eagles were excluded from the 1986 draft, with the Eagles able to recruit up to 35 West Australian players with no more than 6 players from any single WAFL club. The other new club for the 1987 VFL season, the Brisbane Bears, received 6 concessionary picks before the other clubs and exclusive access to all Queensland based players.

Since then, the rules associated with priority picks, zone allocations, the father-son rule, mid-year, pre-season and rookie drafts, expansion clubs concessions and trading of players and picks have been frequently changed, but the basic premise of draft being an equalisation measure to assist the poorer performed teams has remained.

Draft[edit]
In the AFL Draft, clubs receive picks based on the position in which they finish on the ladder during the season.

 

[pantskyle]

I thought it was ladder position.

 

[eaglesfan99]

I thought it was ladder position.

It is some of the people around here are just fools.

 

[ClayB]

Not sure either way but in 2013 Geelong finished the H&A 2nd on the ladder, yet their draft picks are before Frem, who finished the H&A 3rd

 

[dext]

Ladder prediction is worked out where you finish after finals, not home and away season. The draft picks are then allocated to those positions. We can still mathematical end up with pick 18. End of story

 

[twce13]

It is some of the people around here are just fools.

wrong.

Tigers finished 5th last year, yet had picks before port and carlton cause they went further in the finals.

guess you're the fool.

 

[Shoei]

Doesn't it follow that the clubs 16-9 get it on their ladder position.

8-1 on where they get knocked out of the finals?

Hence Richmond (5th) getting a pick before Carlton (8th)


Edit - beaten above.

 

[pantskyle]

That makes sense and I think I recall knowing that.

 

[dajesmac]

It is some of the people around here are just fools.

It's okay to be wrong but make sure you're right before acting like a dick .

He has a point, premiers get pick 18.

 

[TOA.]

I'm confused but do some people actually think that a side that finishes 8th after round 22 but ends up winning the premiership actually ends up with pick 11 (or whatever it is)?

 

[dajesmac]

Draft[edit]
In the AFL Draft, clubs receive picks based on the position in which they finish on the ladder during the season.

Why did you quote so much irrelevant stuff in that?

This is a very vague explanation. Look through recent years and you'll see the premiers always have the last pick of the round. In 2012, Sydney came 3rd and won the flag. They had the final pick of the first round. Simple.

 

[bluengold89]

If we won the grand final we'd get pick 18 (i.e finishing first).

No its based on the ladder you idiot.

Haha wow, that was both aggressive and incorrect.

 

[Keys]

The draft order is a lottery you dolts. Can't believe some people are so clueless

 

[kane249]

It is some of the people around here are just fools.

2013 Final Ladder
Hawthorn
Geelong
Fremantle
Sydney
Richmond
Collingwood
Port
Carlton
Essendon
North Melbourne
Adelaide
Brisbane
West Coast
Gold Coast
Western Bulldogs
St Kilda
Melbourne
GWS

2013 AFL Draft original pick position, ladder position in brackets
GWS (18) - Pick 1
Melbourne (17) -Pick 2
St Kilda (16) - Pick 3
Western Bulldogs (15) - Pick 4
Gold Coast (14) - Pick 5
West Coast (13) - Pick 6
Brisbane (12) - Pick 7
North Melbourne (10) - Pick 8
Collingwood (6) - Pick 9
Richmond (5) - Pick 10
Carlton (9) - Pick 11
Port (7) - Pick 12
Sydney (4) - Pick 13
Geelong (2) - Pick 14
Fremantle (3) - Pick 15
Hawthorn (1) - Pick 16
*Adelaide and Essendon both got stripped of first round selections

So from pick 9 on is where it got interesting as Port and Carlton both beat the higher ranked Collingwood and Richmond in the finals. So the end result was they got lower picks than the teams they beat, despite original finishing lower than them on the ladder. See also Fremantle getting a lower pick than Geelong, despite finishing the home and away season lower than them as well.

 

[Shupe]

Take your facts and get out of here, idiots.

 

[eaglesfan99]

My bad guys made a mistake.

 

[The Dodger]

My bad guys made a mistake.

Well tell your bad guys that they should smarten up.

 

[Shupe]

My bad guys made a mistake.

Everyone makes mistakes. Now learn from this time and don't go abusing people when you think they're wrong.