Mega Thread Delist/Trade/Draft Supermegaultrathread - It's Never Too Soon edition

[Spartan]

We caught teams by surprise in 11. They would not have heard of Shuey. Bothered with SSelwood, both who had break out years. Gaff caught teams by surprise. IMO SSelwood played his best football that year.
Kerr drew the attention, it was Priddis' best year. It was Embley of old. Between 11-12 was Masten coming of age as well.

Since then Priddis has gotten worse deficiency wise. Shuey is still trying hard while either coping with tags and very little support. Gaff is dealing with more attention these days. Kerr has gone, Embley has gone, we overrated SSelwoods ability and tried him as a head to head ball winner which only hurts us.

I think it's incorrect to look at this as a plug & play scenario WRT an elite mid. It will help but it won't cure.

This is how I see our midfield (not including part timers like Lecca and Bunga).

Elite mid: Position vacant

B graders with A grade potential: Shuey, Yeo, Gaff

B grade: S.Selwood, Masten, Wellingham, Priddis, Rosa

C grade: We have a few

Time will tell: Sheppard, Sheed

While our midfield is definitely a problem area I don't believe we need a complete clean out.

 

[Spartan]

We've made no inroads into this for 7 years.

And suddenly this year we are going to get it right? And they'll all be good to go in Round 1 and become AA by the end of 2015?

I have no confidence in the recruiters whatsoever. I have no confidence in our club of the development of such said player even if we jagged one by mistake.

I was being a little funny when describing the mid we need (basically described the perfect mid lol) but as ArdentEagle said Dangerfield would fit the bill. I think the target should be to get said player (FA being the best bet given we had limited trade currency with regards to what we would have to give up). I wonder if its more the development rather than the drafting that has hurt us in recent years.

 

[ThePuma #9]

Delist.

Brennan
Cox R
Glass R
Waters R
Butler R
and one or two of Hill, Carter, Wilson & Smith.

As i think we'll need to give to receive it will be easier to say who is off target for a trade.


Naitanui
Lycett
McKenzie
Hurn
McGovern
Kennedy
Darling
LeCras
Shuey
Yeo
Rosa
include young draft picks as it makes no sense to trade them unless they wish to move.

Anyone else is up for grabs IF it's for the greater benefit of the club. Time to get hard and send some "friends" packing.

Say for instance Melbourne offered us Pick 3 and we knew we could grab Petrecca, would you trade Scooter and pick 9 to get him?

I would seriously think very hard about it.

 

[Bluey_McKenna]

Delist.
Say for instance Melbourne offered us Pick 3 and we knew we could grab Petrecca, would you trade Scooter and pick 9 to get him?

I would seriously think very hard about it.

I would do that trade. I think the qualities Scooter brings to our midfield can be replicate by a player of lesser "value", for lack of a better word. Or Wellingham.

 

[Masto]

Retire
Darren Glass
Dean Cox
Beau Waters
Josh Hill

Delist
Adam Carter
Blayne Wilson
Jacob Brennan

Tradebait
Ash Smith
Sharrod Wellingham
Fraser McInnes

Could ask for trade
Scott Lycett
Andrew Gaff

Unknown/Up in the air
Murray Newman
Sam Butler
Simon Tunbridge

Potential Elevations
Callum Sinclair
Will Maginness

7-15 changes depending on how savage you want to be.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Lol I wouldn't be think saints would be rushing to do any eagles trades after the whole brown situation a couple of years ago. Funnily enough we have filled that role perfectly with Delaney.
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You can't be offering 3 non A graders for he top pick.

The Brown situation? Is that the one where we didn't want to trade a contracted and required player to you?
St Kilda can't be that touchy. Not after so many spoons and so few flags?


Not sure why the negativity towards kennedy. Has had a poor season, but has a ton of quality and work ethic inside 50 and around the ground is up there with the best KPF.

 

[Smotie]

The Brown situation? Is that the one where we didn't want to trade a contracted and required player to you?
St Kilda can't be that touchy. Not after so many spoons and so few flags?


Not sure why the negativity towards kennedy. Has had a poor season, but has a ton of quality and work ethic inside 50 and around the ground is up there with the best KPF.

I am personally not in favor of trading Kennedy but looking at our list we need quality midfielders. To get them you have to trade quality. Our forward line is flush with forwards so we can afford to lose one in a sense.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Delist Wellingham. Wake up the haircut/tattoo/fashion model nancy boys.

 

[Peter Wallis]

Retire
Darren Glass
Dean Cox
Beau Waters
Josh Hill

Delist
Adam Carter
Blayne Wilson
Jacob Brennan

Tradebait
Ash Smith
Sharrod Wellingham
Fraser McInnes

Could ask for trade
Scott Lycett
Andrew Gaff

Unknown/Up in the air
Murray Newman
Sam Butler
Simon Tunbridge

Potential Elevations
Callum Sinclair
Will Maginness

7-15 changes depending on how savage you want to be.

I don't disagree with your list of possible delistings/retirements but Smith & McInnes are not going to attract more than a pie & packet of chips via the trade, while Wellinghams stocks would have tumbled considerably this year.

If you are going to improve your draft position, you are going to have to give up a top 6 player in order to achieve this. As I have said previously, Kennedy would be my choice, however I doubt this will occur.

Sinclair has already been confirmed as an upgrade for next year & I agree that Maginness is also a fair chance.

 

[Masto]

I don't disagree with your list of possible delistings/retirements but Smith & McInnes are not going to attract more than a pie & packet of chips via the trade, while Wellinghams stocks would have tumbled considerably this year.

If you are going to improve your draft position, you are going to have to give up a top 6 player in order to achieve this. As I have said previously, Kennedy would be my choice, however I doubt this will occur.

Sinclair has already been confirmed as an upgrade for next year & I agree that Maginness is also a fair chance.

Ash Smith will be free to a good home, will be traded for pick 89 or something - if anyone wants him. Still an outside chance he stays due to a position change. I think McInnes can net a 3rd/4th round pick, or maybe an out of favor player like Jeff Garlett, especially if he plays a few games before the end of the year. Wellingham I would want a 3rd round pick. Some team may bite. I think there are issues that haven't been made public as to why Kennedy has had an average year. Again I don't see any elite midfielders in this draft so its not worth the disruption it would cause to the playing group.

 

[BartBart]

I don't think you give up one of the few full forwards in the comp. If you give up something to get something my guess would be a choice out of Darling or Naitanui/Lycett (based on other players in the list who can fill the role)

 

[erbenz]

Delist Wellingham. Wake up the haircut/tattoo/fashion model nancy boys.

1 more year on his contract, if he can't turn it around next year I'd seriously think about it.

 

[Joven]

I don't think you give up one of the few full forwards in the comp. If you give up something to get something my guess would be a choice out of Darling or Naitanui/Lycett (based on other players in the list who can fill the role)

Don't disagree with this, Kennedy is valuable for sure. It's just hard to find someone on our list that would give us that A grade mid that we are craving.

 

[Joven]

1 more year on his contract, if he can't turn it around next year I'd seriously think about it.

Agree with this, still think he could turn it around with the right attitude

 

[Daveoooo]

The good folks on this site seem to be 50/50 on trading Kennedy (not withstanding the fact he'd actually want to go).
To loose Brow and Masten may be too many from the starting 22. Funnily enough, I see Brown as a bigger loss.

If we were offered Kennedy and Masten for pick 2 and Armitage, I'd take it.
I doubt even if the saints wanted too we could convince the players to go.

Just to add, I think Masten is talented but I liken him to Chad Fletcher, he needs to be 4-5th mid to be effective.

Would never happen masten is not as good as armitage who is improving masten is clearly not improving. I would offer a club masten and wellers for a top 10 pick.

 

[swingdog]

Say for instance Melbourne offered us Pick 3 and we knew we could grab Petrecca, would you trade Scooter and pick 9 to get him?

I would seriously think very hard about it.

I wouldn't have to think about it all.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Would never happen masten is not as good as armitage who is improving masten is clearly not improving. I would offer a club masten and wellers for a top 10 pick.

Kennedy and Masten would carry far more value that Wellingham and Masten, which was my initial offer.
Even that was stated with a disclaimer...Wellingham would be worth sweet FA atm.

 

[ChampRevesby]

Is it wise for WC to use a top 10 pick on an 'icing on top' type player as a forward pocket? Not IMO. WC have bigger concerns that need to be addressed first. WC need speed through the midfield; so if WC were to select Pickett, it should be more for seeing his future lie as a wingman. Laverde is taller as has more of a rounded game as an outside player/potential wingman if WC want such a type. He has the size to perhaps give WC the idea of developing his inside game, too. He does bring height and speed at present. Add some bulk and strength, as well as developing his inside game, could lead to WC having a very handy player..

Pickett is a forward pocket that can play in the midfield which would solve both issues, after all Simmo is after that sort of flexibility. Why we aren't even chatting with him is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Delist Wellingham. Wake up the haircut/tattoo/fashion model nancy boys.

Wowee, that didn't take long. I disliked that trade right from the get go, but now it's happened we have to at least try to get something out of it.

When he's "on" he's still probably on par with Shuey as the classiest midfielder we have. Simmo needs to find a way to his consistency.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Wowee, that didn't take long. I disliked that trade right from the get go, but now it's happened we have to at least try to get something out of it.

When he's "on" he's still probably on par with Shuey as the classiest midfielder we have. Simmo needs to find a way to his consistency.

Shuey is a much better player. Wellingham seemed happy playing 7th fiddle at Collingwood without having to work that hard himself. He'd have to majorly change his attitude to win me over again.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Shuey is a much better player. Wellingham seemed happy playing 7th fiddle at Collingwood without having to work that hard himself. He'd have to majorly change his attitude to win me over again.

He definitely hasn't won me over.

I at least liked the fact he had a bit of mongrel in him and wasn't afraid to fire up and get aggressive, but even that has diminished recently.

I say we should **** off a permanent C grader like Hutchings and at least force Sharrod to play a full on tagging role. Get him around the ball and involved in the play, perhaps the fact he's contributing to the team could get his confidence up.

 

[mattyc75]

It seems with Simpson looking at Abbott and Malceski, he may look at playing Hurn in a more permanent midfield role. It'd certainly help with the size issue and damaging aspect.

abbott should be in the forward line.get rid of poobsters like Mcginnity

 

[Masto]

Wellingham is still a good player but the trade didn't work out for us. He'd be a good cheap pickup for a club like Carlton. Their coach knows him well and knows how to get the best out of him.

 

[ChampRevesby]

He definitely hasn't won me over.

I at least liked the fact he had a bit of mongrel in him and wasn't afraid to fire up and get aggressive, but even that has diminished recently.

I say we should **** off a permanent C grader like Hutchings and at least force Sharrod to play a full on tagging role. Get him around the ball and involved in the play, perhaps the fact he's contributing to the team could get his confidence up.

Hutch has been pretty effective as a tagger the last few games and may just well become a full time tagger when we get more talent in the middle. As for Ham, he needs an attitude transplant and start doing the hard things at WAFL level before getting another look in.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Hutch has been pretty effective as a tagger the last few games and may just well become a full time tagger when we get more talent in the middle. As for Ham, he needs an attitude transplant and start doing the hard things at WAFL level before getting another look in.

Who else has he tagged besides Cotchin recently?

Credit to him for that, but Cotchin has had an average year and it's wet weather footy so i'm not reading alot into that 1 performance. Nothing changes the fact Hutchings is a C grade WAFL level player. We can't have somebody like that in the 22 every week moving forward.

At least Wellingham could hurt the opposition going the other way. Still, it's not even a debate until Sharrod does something remotely useful in the WAFL.