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Reckon we made a mistake?
And while we're at it, who are we liking for Thursday night?
I'm pretty sure that most of our decisions are made the night before on the back of a coaster down at the local.
I honestly dont know why Sheed's pace is continually brought up. As i have posted numerous times, his draft camp sprinting results were better than Bontempelli, Lennon, Acres, Garlett, Hartung and the list goes on (Aish, Schenberg, Kelly did not test). He may not play super quick but he doesnt play slow, he is just in congestion all the time. His pace is not an issue at all.
That doesn't mean every player would be open to moving. Sheed himself says one of the biggest things he would bring to an AFL club would be his loyalty. Nothing silly about it at all.
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Just watched Nathan Freeman's pick me video. My god he looks like a clone of Shuey, just a bit quicker.
Reckon we made a mistake?
And while we're at it, who are we liking for Thursday night?
Gut feel says yes but time will tell.
I'm liking Boyd & the fingers are crossed
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It changed a few years ago with the countdown, all about them FoxFooty ratings #primetime
I would be happy if the nickname Shred sticks
Did he really include Boyd in that group? That would be ridiculous.
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What if :
1. Boyd
2. Kelly
3. Billings
4. Bontempelli
5. Kolodnashij
6. Scharenberg
7. McCarthy
8. McDonald
9. Freeman
10. Lennon
11. Aish, Sheed or Acres?
And we pick Sheed
Does E87's head explode?
In all seriousness though is the above even remotely plausible?
1. Boyd
2. Kelly
3. Billings
4. Bontempelli
5. Kolodnashij
6. Scharenberg
7. McCarthy
8. McDonald
9. Freeman
10. Lennon
11. Aish, Sheed or Acres?
And we pick Sheed
Does E87's head explode?
In all seriousness though is the above even remotely plausible?
Well yes it is possible, it just means the Lions go for McCarthy and the Pies choose Scharenberg and Lennon over Aish.
Scharenberg reported to be having foot fracture issues in both feet puts some ????? on his longevity.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ng-feet-injuries/story-fni5f22o-1226761380277
Foot fractures in both feet does not sound good for an AFL career.
If he is available at 11 what do the Eagles do?
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Hardly. Melbourne and Essendon both went with their highest ranked talls at their picks, apart from Carlton picking up Yarran there really isn't anyone else. Melbourne are prime example of why taking the consensus picks is often wrong and that you need your recruiters with the ability to cut through the noise that surrounds players and actually analyse their games.
The critical point is that there aren't many others playing senior football and none with as many games under their belt (which is essential). Aish is an outside handball receive midfielder, playing in the best SANFL side two years running and you want him to be compared to those toiling away in an under performing U18 sides.
The weight of his performances should be that he's proven that he can perform at senior level and perform well. But playing league doesn't make him a better player and bringing it up distracts from his actual ability.
You don't think some of the football related criticisms of Darling were valid? many of them were right, and are still right today. The only one that people had wrong was his perceived lack of pace, which was linked in some part to his leg injures in 2010. But the real problem with Darling is that recruiters under valued and didn't perceive what he could do. I don't think that pointing out Aish's poor contested numbers is the same.
I would also take Aish ahead of Whitfield if he was in the 2012 draft was held today.
Now that's just being melodramatic. If we fluff the picks then the debate can begin, we'll hardly need to "nail" them.
#2 – DOM SHEED
Height: 187cm, Weight: 83kg, DOB: 10/4/1995
Recruited from: Subiaco
Dom Sheed is my absolute favourite player in this draft and for me the most complete midfielder. First of all I find it very funny that all year the criticism of Sheed has been ‘lack of speed’ then he comes out at the Combine totally underdone and whacks out a three second flat 20 metre sprint. It’s a classic case of trying to pick a flaw out of a player that has very few.
Sheed was the Larke Medallist for the best player of the National Champs this season, and that result only confirmed things for me. He averaged 28 disposals (11 contested) at 74% efficiency to go with 6 clearances, 3 tackles and 4 inside 50’s. Sheed was the only 17 year old to play in the WAFL seniors last season where he played three matches and averaged 17 disposals and 5 marks. He capped off a great season in the Colts playing 12 games and averaging 23 disposals, 6 marks and 4 inside 50’s. Sheed showed he was legitimate at last year’s National Champs averaging 15 disposals, 4 marks and 3 inside 50’s per game. He only managed the three senior WAFL games this season due to Champs commitments and injury, where he averaged 15 disposals and 4 marks.
The reason for Sheed being overlooked could just be the lack of exposed form. He has battled injury issues all season which gave him a late and interrupted start to the season and then he broke his collarbone in the Vic Country game and we didn’t see him for the rest of the season.
For me Sheed is out and out the best clearance player in this draft. He reads the ball off the taps better than anyone else and is constantly on the fly. He is never flat-footed at a stoppage which gives him an advantage over everyone and when he gets it he’s able to burst out of there. In tight his hands are very good and he looks to have more time than he does. He slows the play down like the very best midfielders do and always looks to take the best option. I actually think this could be the reason why people think he’s slow, but he’s just waiting, and finds no need to rush. I’ve seen the comparisons to Simon Black and I don’t disagree. He’s very slippery in the tackle, does the shake of the hips and he has a strong core. He manages to keep his arms free most of the time. He’s happy to ride the tackle if need be, but he needs to be careful of this as he’ll face better tacklers. His composure is first class normally, but when without an option he sometimes just hacks the ball out there. A lot of midfielders do this anyway, but I expect perfection from my boy.
Sheed loves to kick a goal and up forward he’s dangerous. He’s a very good mark over his head and one on one he’s very strong. With his ability to read the play and off pack situations, it makes him a very dangerous crumbing forward and I’d be checking him tightly at stoppages in his forward 50.
Sheed’s uncontested game is very good. He spreads from the contest well and finds space especially in dangerous areas. Going the other way he’ll run back and provide an option for his defenders in defence.
Generally Sheed’s kicking is very good and this is an area where some people weirdly knock him. I’ve also heard the criticism that he’s one-sided, but I’ve seen him kick reasonably comfortably on his right plenty of times. I only partially agree with one part of his kicking. Sometimes he is prone to being a bit lazy and dishing off a very slow, loopy ball. Luckily he has a very good technique, and I don’t think this is cause for too much concern. His range is about 50m but when he tries to really whack it the style gets a bit ugly and the ball drop becomes a bit higher. His set-shot routine is really nice and there is no problem in that area.
The one thing I’d like to see Sheed improve in, and that’s his aggression towards the opponent. He is a big boy, but at the moment he doesn’t impose anywhere near enough physical contact that he is capable of. There is plenty of room for improvement in that area, and one that should be easily fixable given his size. I’d just like to see more tackles and more shepherds.
Overall Sheed is just an outstanding package in my opinion. Clearance specialists aren’t that hard to find but ones that have composure and silk don’t come around often. I can understand the reason why he would slip but at the same time I can’t. He’s complete. Whoever gets him should be extremely happy.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/footy-tragics-top-50-power-rankings-progressive.1040150/
I got Footy Tragics ok to post a couple of his write ups.
He's put in a massive amount of time an effort with his power rankings and well worth a look.
Height: 187cm, Weight: 83kg, DOB: 10/4/1995
Recruited from: Subiaco
Dom Sheed is my absolute favourite player in this draft and for me the most complete midfielder. First of all I find it very funny that all year the criticism of Sheed has been ‘lack of speed’ then he comes out at the Combine totally underdone and whacks out a three second flat 20 metre sprint. It’s a classic case of trying to pick a flaw out of a player that has very few.
Sheed was the Larke Medallist for the best player of the National Champs this season, and that result only confirmed things for me. He averaged 28 disposals (11 contested) at 74% efficiency to go with 6 clearances, 3 tackles and 4 inside 50’s. Sheed was the only 17 year old to play in the WAFL seniors last season where he played three matches and averaged 17 disposals and 5 marks. He capped off a great season in the Colts playing 12 games and averaging 23 disposals, 6 marks and 4 inside 50’s. Sheed showed he was legitimate at last year’s National Champs averaging 15 disposals, 4 marks and 3 inside 50’s per game. He only managed the three senior WAFL games this season due to Champs commitments and injury, where he averaged 15 disposals and 4 marks.
The reason for Sheed being overlooked could just be the lack of exposed form. He has battled injury issues all season which gave him a late and interrupted start to the season and then he broke his collarbone in the Vic Country game and we didn’t see him for the rest of the season.
For me Sheed is out and out the best clearance player in this draft. He reads the ball off the taps better than anyone else and is constantly on the fly. He is never flat-footed at a stoppage which gives him an advantage over everyone and when he gets it he’s able to burst out of there. In tight his hands are very good and he looks to have more time than he does. He slows the play down like the very best midfielders do and always looks to take the best option. I actually think this could be the reason why people think he’s slow, but he’s just waiting, and finds no need to rush. I’ve seen the comparisons to Simon Black and I don’t disagree. He’s very slippery in the tackle, does the shake of the hips and he has a strong core. He manages to keep his arms free most of the time. He’s happy to ride the tackle if need be, but he needs to be careful of this as he’ll face better tacklers. His composure is first class normally, but when without an option he sometimes just hacks the ball out there. A lot of midfielders do this anyway, but I expect perfection from my boy.
Sheed loves to kick a goal and up forward he’s dangerous. He’s a very good mark over his head and one on one he’s very strong. With his ability to read the play and off pack situations, it makes him a very dangerous crumbing forward and I’d be checking him tightly at stoppages in his forward 50.
Sheed’s uncontested game is very good. He spreads from the contest well and finds space especially in dangerous areas. Going the other way he’ll run back and provide an option for his defenders in defence.
Generally Sheed’s kicking is very good and this is an area where some people weirdly knock him. I’ve also heard the criticism that he’s one-sided, but I’ve seen him kick reasonably comfortably on his right plenty of times. I only partially agree with one part of his kicking. Sometimes he is prone to being a bit lazy and dishing off a very slow, loopy ball. Luckily he has a very good technique, and I don’t think this is cause for too much concern. His range is about 50m but when he tries to really whack it the style gets a bit ugly and the ball drop becomes a bit higher. His set-shot routine is really nice and there is no problem in that area.
The one thing I’d like to see Sheed improve in, and that’s his aggression towards the opponent. He is a big boy, but at the moment he doesn’t impose anywhere near enough physical contact that he is capable of. There is plenty of room for improvement in that area, and one that should be easily fixable given his size. I’d just like to see more tackles and more shepherds.
Overall Sheed is just an outstanding package in my opinion. Clearance specialists aren’t that hard to find but ones that have composure and silk don’t come around often. I can understand the reason why he would slip but at the same time I can’t. He’s complete. Whoever gets him should be extremely happy.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/footy-tragics-top-50-power-rankings-progressive.1040150/
I got Footy Tragics ok to post a couple of his write ups.
He's put in a massive amount of time an effort with his power rankings and well worth a look.
#12 – JAMES AISH
Height: 184cm, Weight: 74kg, DOB: 8/11/1995
Recruited from: Norwood
James Aish has come with a big name and big expectations for almost three years now where he dominated the U/16’s National Carnival and was the competition’s MVP. He’s developed quite the portfolio, co-captaining the AIS squad in 2012 and then in 2012 he became the youngest player to ever play at SANFL league level. He didn’t look out of place there, averaging 18 disposals from his 16 games at 83% efficiency. His Grand Final performance locked him in as a top prospect when he gathered 26 disposals and kicked a goal. He was also selected in the All-Australian team last year where he had a pretty good National Carnival averaging 22 disposals (16 uncontested), six marks and playing all five matches. Aish is now a two-time premiership player at SANFL level, averaging 17 disposals from his eight games this season. He’s really done it all.
So with such a record, why is he not at number one in these rankings? Well firstly, I’ve openly admitted that I’m not as high on Aish as others for a couple of years now and not much has happened to change my mind. Secondly, I’ve still got him at #12 in a decently talented draft pool around this range. I’m just not of the opinion that he is the second coming of Jesus Christ like many have proclaimed him to be from a very young age and to be honest I think the hype is unfair on him. Former coaches and anyone else that has been involved with Aish over his junior career have been coming out and calling him a ‘one in a thousand’ player. They might think they’re doing him a favour, but seriously, let him play an AFL game first because it’s a totally different ball game.
Aish slowed up this season and that partially had to do with his shoulder surgery at the end of last season. He still managed to play 13 games (eight at SANFL level and five at the Champs) but his production was well down. James Aish is a bit like Nathan Freeman to me (not a player comparison) in that I feel like I’m missing out on something and every time I finish watching a game I’m left scratching my head trying to figure out what all the fuss is about. I’m going to give him a bit of a pass due to the shoulder surgery and the fact he was tagged at stages this season, but at the same time he was fit enough to play senior footy in a premiership side. His Championships were nothing short of disappointing and I felt the same way with his SANFL season where he was outshone by teammate Trent Dumont in my opinion. Aish did face some tags in the SANFL and at some times during the Champs, which is a compliment, so I’m not going to mark him down, but he will need to get used to it, and I think he will struggle against the tag at the next level unless he adds new strings to his bow which I’ll explain.
You’ve probably heard it a thousand times, but I’ll say it again, and that is that Aish is a classy player. He evens looks classy when he does nothing. He operates at very high efficiency levels and has done so right throughout his career. I don’t think he’s particularly damaging with his disposals though, in that he doesn’t exactly break the lines and zones or smack a 60m pass down the flank, he just hits the targets he’s expected to hit and that’s fine. With ball in hand and out in space Aish moves smoothly and he’s got the trademark sidestep, a bit like Nick Dal Santo. Aish loves the give-and-go, but he’s got a terrible habit of handballing to stationary targets when under pressure. Aish looks like a number one pick in space but when the heat is on I think his effectiveness comes right down. I don’t agree with the Bryce Gibbs comparisons at all. Gibbs is a much better kick and has the inside game that I struggle to see Aish ever developing.
Aish is very much an uncontested player and as I’ve mentioned in other profiles, I do have time for these types as they play a role every team needs but naturally I’m not going to rate them higher than players who get the ball themselves, do both, or have other tricks. Aish will go in and get if he has to but it’s not his natural game and he’s just too small to have any sort of major impact in there. As I mentioned before, Aish faced taggers this season, which would’ve been a good experience for him. He’s going to have to get used to it because I don’t think the taggers will go away any time soon and I’m not sure he will deal with them too well and that’s not a whack, it’s just that there aren’t too many outside players that do. Andrew Gaff was completely nullified for an entire season this year.
I don’t have any athletic results on Aish, but I’d guess and says he’s above average in agility, speed and endurance. He whips through traffic nicely (just has to put that stationary handball away) and his top speed looks very good. His endurance doesn’t seem elite but I could well be wrong.
The one other issue I have with Aish is that he’s very skinny and I don’t think he’ll get that much bigger. He’s been in an elite environment for almost two years and not much has changed and the other Aish’s weren’t the biggest boys either. This could present some problems with his shoulder. He really needs to put on some strength.
I was very high on Jimmy Toumpas last year, and I was quite shattered when he got drafted to Melbourne because I knew he’d struggle a little bit in a bad team. I see Aish as a bit the same. I don’t see him as a player you build a team around, he’s more the icing on the cake. I’ve plucked out some AFL midfielders that have a very similar uncontested possession to contested possession rate to James Aish in not an effort to compare them but just to see how his ratio could hold up if he continues on the same track; Brent Stanton, Dustin Martin, Brent Harvey, Sam Gibson, Shaun Grigg, Mitch Duncan, Farren Ray, Brandon Ellis, Isaac Smith, Lachie Whitfield, Tom Scully, Sam Mayes and Brad Hill.
He’d be a very good addition to a team like Collingwood or the Western Bulldogs (because of their mass amount of inside midfielders). Overall I don’t mind Aish, and the fact he’s at #12 on this list is evidence of that, but I do hold some concerns and I think that’s largely got to do with which team he goes to. He’ll be a very good player in a good team but don’t be surprised if he takes a short while (or a very long time) to find his feet. He could go either way.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/footy-tragics-top-50-power-rankings-progressive.1040150/
Height: 184cm, Weight: 74kg, DOB: 8/11/1995
Recruited from: Norwood
James Aish has come with a big name and big expectations for almost three years now where he dominated the U/16’s National Carnival and was the competition’s MVP. He’s developed quite the portfolio, co-captaining the AIS squad in 2012 and then in 2012 he became the youngest player to ever play at SANFL league level. He didn’t look out of place there, averaging 18 disposals from his 16 games at 83% efficiency. His Grand Final performance locked him in as a top prospect when he gathered 26 disposals and kicked a goal. He was also selected in the All-Australian team last year where he had a pretty good National Carnival averaging 22 disposals (16 uncontested), six marks and playing all five matches. Aish is now a two-time premiership player at SANFL level, averaging 17 disposals from his eight games this season. He’s really done it all.
So with such a record, why is he not at number one in these rankings? Well firstly, I’ve openly admitted that I’m not as high on Aish as others for a couple of years now and not much has happened to change my mind. Secondly, I’ve still got him at #12 in a decently talented draft pool around this range. I’m just not of the opinion that he is the second coming of Jesus Christ like many have proclaimed him to be from a very young age and to be honest I think the hype is unfair on him. Former coaches and anyone else that has been involved with Aish over his junior career have been coming out and calling him a ‘one in a thousand’ player. They might think they’re doing him a favour, but seriously, let him play an AFL game first because it’s a totally different ball game.
Aish slowed up this season and that partially had to do with his shoulder surgery at the end of last season. He still managed to play 13 games (eight at SANFL level and five at the Champs) but his production was well down. James Aish is a bit like Nathan Freeman to me (not a player comparison) in that I feel like I’m missing out on something and every time I finish watching a game I’m left scratching my head trying to figure out what all the fuss is about. I’m going to give him a bit of a pass due to the shoulder surgery and the fact he was tagged at stages this season, but at the same time he was fit enough to play senior footy in a premiership side. His Championships were nothing short of disappointing and I felt the same way with his SANFL season where he was outshone by teammate Trent Dumont in my opinion. Aish did face some tags in the SANFL and at some times during the Champs, which is a compliment, so I’m not going to mark him down, but he will need to get used to it, and I think he will struggle against the tag at the next level unless he adds new strings to his bow which I’ll explain.
You’ve probably heard it a thousand times, but I’ll say it again, and that is that Aish is a classy player. He evens looks classy when he does nothing. He operates at very high efficiency levels and has done so right throughout his career. I don’t think he’s particularly damaging with his disposals though, in that he doesn’t exactly break the lines and zones or smack a 60m pass down the flank, he just hits the targets he’s expected to hit and that’s fine. With ball in hand and out in space Aish moves smoothly and he’s got the trademark sidestep, a bit like Nick Dal Santo. Aish loves the give-and-go, but he’s got a terrible habit of handballing to stationary targets when under pressure. Aish looks like a number one pick in space but when the heat is on I think his effectiveness comes right down. I don’t agree with the Bryce Gibbs comparisons at all. Gibbs is a much better kick and has the inside game that I struggle to see Aish ever developing.
Aish is very much an uncontested player and as I’ve mentioned in other profiles, I do have time for these types as they play a role every team needs but naturally I’m not going to rate them higher than players who get the ball themselves, do both, or have other tricks. Aish will go in and get if he has to but it’s not his natural game and he’s just too small to have any sort of major impact in there. As I mentioned before, Aish faced taggers this season, which would’ve been a good experience for him. He’s going to have to get used to it because I don’t think the taggers will go away any time soon and I’m not sure he will deal with them too well and that’s not a whack, it’s just that there aren’t too many outside players that do. Andrew Gaff was completely nullified for an entire season this year.
I don’t have any athletic results on Aish, but I’d guess and says he’s above average in agility, speed and endurance. He whips through traffic nicely (just has to put that stationary handball away) and his top speed looks very good. His endurance doesn’t seem elite but I could well be wrong.
The one other issue I have with Aish is that he’s very skinny and I don’t think he’ll get that much bigger. He’s been in an elite environment for almost two years and not much has changed and the other Aish’s weren’t the biggest boys either. This could present some problems with his shoulder. He really needs to put on some strength.
I was very high on Jimmy Toumpas last year, and I was quite shattered when he got drafted to Melbourne because I knew he’d struggle a little bit in a bad team. I see Aish as a bit the same. I don’t see him as a player you build a team around, he’s more the icing on the cake. I’ve plucked out some AFL midfielders that have a very similar uncontested possession to contested possession rate to James Aish in not an effort to compare them but just to see how his ratio could hold up if he continues on the same track; Brent Stanton, Dustin Martin, Brent Harvey, Sam Gibson, Shaun Grigg, Mitch Duncan, Farren Ray, Brandon Ellis, Isaac Smith, Lachie Whitfield, Tom Scully, Sam Mayes and Brad Hill.
He’d be a very good addition to a team like Collingwood or the Western Bulldogs (because of their mass amount of inside midfielders). Overall I don’t mind Aish, and the fact he’s at #12 on this list is evidence of that, but I do hold some concerns and I think that’s largely got to do with which team he goes to. He’ll be a very good player in a good team but don’t be surprised if he takes a short while (or a very long time) to find his feet. He could go either way.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/footy-tragics-top-50-power-rankings-progressive.1040150/
#3 – MATT SCHARENBERG
Height: 191cm, Weight: 88kg, DOB: 18/9/1995
Recruited from: Glenelg
Matt Scharenberg will be an absolute star and I’m still having trouble comprehending how he could possibly get past the Saints at pick three. Scharenberg is one of those players who can be whoever you want him to be. He can play tall down back or up forward, play loose, or have a run on the wing. I think his best position is off the half-back flank because his disposal is such a weapon that it has to be utilised in the most dangerous part of the ground these days.
Firstly, just a couple of words on this supposed injury. Drafting is a ten year game. I’d be loathing if my club passed on a top three player (in my opinion, for argument’s sake) just because he might require some surgery that will sideline him for a while. It doesn’t make sense to me and the fact Scharenberg is a very good chance to go at pick SEVEN or later makes me scratch my head. Maybe I’m unaware of the extent of his foot issues, and I’m not a doctor, but seriously if surgery and six months on the sidelines is what it will take to mean that I can enjoy Scharenberg coming off my backline for the next dozen years, I’m taking that deal.
Anyway, for me, he’s clearly in the top bracket of players and one guy I can confidently say will be a very good, if not elite AFL footballer. Scharenberg along with Kade Kolodjashnij, Jack Billings and Tom Boyd are probably the best kicks in this draft in my opinion. Scharenberg for me is a bit of a mix with Sam Fisher and Brendon Goddard, in that he can play tall, provide run, but also transform himself into any player you need him to be on the day.
And finally a word from Footy Tragic on the Berg and his injury cloud.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/footy-tragics-top-50-power-rankings-progressive.1040150/
Height: 191cm, Weight: 88kg, DOB: 18/9/1995
Recruited from: Glenelg
Matt Scharenberg will be an absolute star and I’m still having trouble comprehending how he could possibly get past the Saints at pick three. Scharenberg is one of those players who can be whoever you want him to be. He can play tall down back or up forward, play loose, or have a run on the wing. I think his best position is off the half-back flank because his disposal is such a weapon that it has to be utilised in the most dangerous part of the ground these days.
Firstly, just a couple of words on this supposed injury. Drafting is a ten year game. I’d be loathing if my club passed on a top three player (in my opinion, for argument’s sake) just because he might require some surgery that will sideline him for a while. It doesn’t make sense to me and the fact Scharenberg is a very good chance to go at pick SEVEN or later makes me scratch my head. Maybe I’m unaware of the extent of his foot issues, and I’m not a doctor, but seriously if surgery and six months on the sidelines is what it will take to mean that I can enjoy Scharenberg coming off my backline for the next dozen years, I’m taking that deal.
Anyway, for me, he’s clearly in the top bracket of players and one guy I can confidently say will be a very good, if not elite AFL footballer. Scharenberg along with Kade Kolodjashnij, Jack Billings and Tom Boyd are probably the best kicks in this draft in my opinion. Scharenberg for me is a bit of a mix with Sam Fisher and Brendon Goddard, in that he can play tall, provide run, but also transform himself into any player you need him to be on the day.
And finally a word from Footy Tragic on the Berg and his injury cloud.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/footy-tragics-top-50-power-rankings-progressive.1040150/
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