Opinion Did Taranto and Hopper make a mistake leaving the Giants for Richmond?

[WillHayward]

Only 1 team wins the premiership each year. I'd think players would value the following before higher chance of winning the premiership:

1. $$$$$$$$
2. Contract Length
3. City/Town to live in
4. Crowds that attend the game - higher the crowd numbers, better for the player (more exposure, better atmosphere playing at home)
5. Club facilities
6. Team success

Yep

In Hoppers case it's stay at GWS and play VFL or go to Richmond and be a top 10 player.

 

[Colonial]

4. Crowds that attend the game - higher the crowd numbers, better for the player (more exposure, better atmosphere playing at home)

Disagree with this one

If you are going through a rotten time, club wise, at a “big club” the fans are psychotic as are the media.

And the smaller clubs seem to have re-signed some great players.

 

[Orange crush]

Yep

In Hoppers case it's stay at GWS and play VFL or go to Richmond and be a top 10 player.

Harsh .... but fair

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Taranto and Hopper chose Richmond with Hardwick as coach. Hardwick then walked out. If they didn't move just for money it's hard to see how they're in a better place now than before they left.

See this is why we get confused.

Which was it - to play under Hardwick or to play for the money?

 

[Footy Smarts]

See this is why we get confused.

Which was it - to play under Hardwick or to play for the money?

I didn't say they moved to play under Hardwick. Just that when they chose Richmond Hardwick was coach.

Only they know why they moved. But it's hard to think of a reason they could've moved specifically to Richmond for that isn't worse now than 18 months ago unless it was just for the money.

 

[Coach_Required]

Both wouldn't even be getting a game at GWS right now.

 

[Red Bull]

Both wouldn't even be getting a game at GWS right now.

But they’ll be getting one at Richmond for the next 7 years …

 

[Farang83150]

Could be a bit like the Buckley leaving the bears thing.

 

[Coach_Required]

But they’ll be getting one at Richmond for the next 7 years …

Hopefully we can trade them to Geelong for a bag of chips.

BTW its only 5 seasons and 22 weeks to go, not that I'm counting.

 

[Coach_Required]

Could be a bit like the Buckley leaving the bears thing.

Will be like Deledio leaving the Tigers.

 

[theiaofseed]

Bowes went to the only club who was seemingly interested in him rather than just the high pick that would come along with. Considering he got a contract extension and played every game when fit last year that seems to have been a good decision.

Yea Geelong were interested in "Bowes" and not the high draft pick. If that was actually the case he would have been traded for 4th round pick.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Yea Geelong were interested in "Bowes" and not the high draft pick. If that was actually the case he would have been traded for 4th round pick.

We were interested in him at a reasonable wage. We were in touch with him months before the end of the season. If Gold Coast had covered close to $1m of his wage he would've been traded for a 4th round pick. Nobody else showed an interest at all.

But Gold Coast needed to get rid of his entire salary and put their first rounder on the table to do so. And suddenly half the clubs in the comp were really interested in this guy playing VFL. Not surprisingly he saw through that and stuck with the club that was actually interested in him as a player.

 

[Juddernaut08]

See this is why we get confused.

Which was it - to play under Hardwick or to play for the money?

what do players move for:
-team success? gws is better now
-premiership coach? dimma is gone
-more money? gws usually pay heaps so this is probably not something Tiges could offer

no matter how you look at it, Taranto and Hopper would regret their decision to choose the Tiges who are on the way down and at best will finish ninth most years of their remaining contract.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

But they’ll be getting one at Richmond for the next 7 years …

So it's official then - they made the right move leaving the Giants for Richmond.

 

[Cleansweep17]

So it's official then - they made the right move leaving the Giants for Richmond.

I mean this thread could apply to any team. The Giants are legit premiership contenders and they were both leaving them.

If Hopper ended up going to the Cats it would be the same deal.

 

[Sttew]

I mean this thread could apply to any team. The Giants are legit premiership contenders and they were both leaving them.

If Hopper ended up going to the Cats it would be the same deal.

Can't help yourself, can you?

 

[Sttew]

We were interested in him at a reasonable wage. We were in touch with him months before the end of the season. If Gold Coast had covered close to $1m of his wage he would've been traded for a 4th round pick. Nobody else showed an interest at all.

But Gold Coast needed to get rid of his entire salary and put their first rounder on the table to do so. And suddenly half the clubs in the comp were really interested in this guy playing VFL. Not surprisingly he saw through that and stuck with the club that was actually interested in him as a player.

Danger spoke to the club about Bowes during 2022

Geelong’s trump card confirms key role in ‘outrageously good’ trade offer

Jack Bowes has been likened to a Cats premiership star after Geelong leapt into favouritism for ‘the best deal in football’.

7news.com.au

Mitch Cleary reported that Geelong had had interest in the 24-year-old Bowes “for a little while now”.

 

[Catastrophe!]

Perhaps just wait until GWS actually win something before suggesting they might've made a mistake.

Have Tanner Bruhn and Jack Bowes also made a mistake if Geelong don't win another flag before the Giants and/or Suns?

Mmm but Bruhn Pick 18 (21 in the draft), and Bowes, Pick 55'ish (Future 3rd), are nowhere near the equivalent of Taranto and Hopper going for 6, 12, 19 and 31.

They're also both 5-6 years older than Bruhn, and on substantially more money and years than both Bowes and Bruhn.

In that trade period you gave up the aforementioned picks, and we gave up Picks 18, 25 and a Future 3rd for Jhye Clark, Tanner Bruhn, Ollie Henry and Jack Bowes. Completely different circumstances.

 

[cliffdrabble]

They could be handy additions when the manure trucks arrive. There will be a lot of cleaning up work to do.

 

[KissKiss]

what do players move for:
-team success? gws is better now
-premiership coach? dimma is gone
-more money? gws usually pay heaps so this is probably not something Tiges could offer

no matter how you look at it, Taranto and Hopper would regret their decision to choose the Tiges who are on the way down and at best will finish ninth most years of their remaining contract.

All clubs have roughly the same salary cap. So while the top players at GWS get big deals, that means the guys at the bottom get less. I think everyone agrees that if the two had stayed at GWS they werent gong to be the top players so they werent going to get paid. Leaving to be the big name at a big Melbourne club would be more money and endorsements right now for them.

 

[rapidfire7]

Richmond thought they could do a Geelong and stay relevant bringing them in. Not a bad idea in theory, but they overrated the rest of the list and gave up way too much for them. To add salt to the wound, Hopper has been quite disappointing to date as well. As some one else said, the mistake is more on Richmond as those guys won out bigtime financially and got back to their home state. Bit of a dog act by Hardwick really to create this mess and then walk. Set the club back many many years.

 

[Juddernaut08]

All clubs have roughly the same salary cap. So while the top players at GWS get big deals, that means the guys at the bottom get less. I think everyone agrees that if the two had stayed at GWS they werent gong to be the top players so they werent going to get paid. Leaving to be the big name at a big Melbourne club would be more money and endorsements right now for them.

Could be true for Hopper. From memory, Taranto was very highly rated.

 

[The 747]

Hopefully we can trade them to Geelong for a bag of chips.

BTW its only 5 seasons and 22 weeks to go, not that I'm counting.

Too young

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Mmm but Bruhn Pick 18 (21 in the draft), and Bowes, Pick 55'ish (Future 3rd), are nowhere near the equivalent of Taranto and Hopper going for 6, 12, 19 and 31.

They're also both 5-6 years older than Bruhn, and on substantially more money and years than both Bowes and Bruhn.

In that trade period you gave up the aforementioned picks, and we gave up Picks 18, 25 and a Future 3rd for Jhye Clark, Tanner Bruhn, Ollie Henry and Jack Bowes. Completely different circumstances.

None of that has anything to do with the thread title though, or what I posted.

If it'd been "Did Richmond make a mistake getting Taranto and Hopper?" then your post would at least be relevant to what I posted.

 

[Cleansweep17]

Can't help yourself, can you?

No I only said it because he was either choosing Cats or Tigers.

It’s just a coincidence, don’t be so paranoid.