Autopsy Dogs apparently NOT out coached again... but still find a way to lose 78 v 73

[Next Waiting]

If anyone who watches and/or is familiar with our VFL team this season, and if you have the inclination, could you rank the listed players that have played a small forward role there this season against this criteria. Speed, tackles (qty), tackling efficiency and defensive pressure. 1 being the best combination of those things through and down to 4.

Example

1. Arty Jones
2. ....


Thanks in advance.

 

[_Mike_]

Richmond - Marvel
Hawthorn - TAS
West Coast - Marvel
Geelong - GMHBA

No Keath next week because of concussion rule and if Jones isn’t back that leaves Gardner as the only tall defender. The chance of Buss getting selected?

All 4 remaining games must be won from here with a few results going our way to finish 5th or 6th and get a home final

 

[Munnez]

I watched Lobb for a bit. Slow as treacle and couldn’t tackle (didn’t even chase) unless the bloke is flat footed right beside him.

One trick pony who might have his uses but not on Toby F Green FFS.

How it was allowed to happen is beyond belief. Duryea as a senior player should have moved over to him or got Cleary to man him up.
Just inexcusable that we couldn't adjust on the fly but really symptomatic of where we are at as a club.

 

[Bald]

Richmond - Marvel
Hawthorn - TAS
West Coast - Marvel
Geelong - GMHBA

No Keath next week because of concussion rule and if Jones isn’t back that leaves Gardner as the only tall defender. The chance of Buss getting selected?

All 4 remaining games must be won from here with a few results going our way to finish 5th or 6th and get a home final

I expect Jones to play but if he doesn’t you’d think we’d play Gardner, Busslinger and O’Donnell. I’m not opposed to doing that even if Jones plays. The problem is Ed comes back in too and I’m not sure how we’re making two additional unforced changes to yesterdays backline. Duryea maybe, but everyone else was solid enough I felt.

 

[Munnez]

We can't keep relying on him every week and it certainly wasn't the reason we lost but Bont was very quiet after QT...

Bontempelli - Q1
13 disposals (69% efficiency)
5 contested possessions
1 clearance
42 ranking points

Bontempelli - Q2-Q4
14 disposals (50% efficiency)
12 contested possessions
6 clearances
60 ranking points

Kingsley sent Ward too Bont to curb his influence , and it worked well for them. Yet Bevo won't even try something similar when an opposition player is getting off the chain.
It would appear that Bevo hasn't adjusted to the way footy is being played now. Things aren't always going to run your way have to be able to change within game.
Injuries didn't help yesterday but as anyone can see we didn't pull the right levers. So much for Bevo's flexibility mantra. You need to be flexible unless you don't like it then just keep doing what you're doing

 

[Munnez]

Surely once Bruce went down we should have gone with Naughton down back, Bont more forward to break the tag, and Daniel/Smith more on ball?

Coaching 101 adjust with you have to make the most of a horrible situation

 

[Dog 36]

Bev should answer this.

When we lost defenders vs North Naughton was moved to the backline

We played a superior side to North yesterday and lost two defenders again and we put Lobb our forward/ruck/wingman to the backline not Naughton WHY?

After the game the feeling was numb I wonder why?

 

[The Inbetweener]

Bev should answer this.

When we lost defenders vs North Naughton was moved to the backline

We played a superior side to North yesterday and lost two defenders again and we put Lobb our forward/ruck/wingman to the backline not Naughton WHY?

After the game the feeling was numb I wonder why?

He knew Taylor would dominate Lobb even worse than Naughton. Which makes you wonder why we gave such trade capital and a 4 year deal to a guy who can’t perform the basic function of his role I.e not get outmarked.

 

[Munnez]

Also naughton and marra missed 3 to 4 sodas. Should never have lost that game

Said to the kids while watching the game, that these easy misses were going to come back and bite us on the a$$.
You leave them with hope when you don't put them away while your on top.
And that is how it played out, they got a run on and kicked the goals which we were incapable of doing

 

[Dog 36]

He knew Taylor would dominate Lobb even worse than Naughton. Which makes you wonder why we gave such trade capital and a 4 year deal to a guy who can’t perform the basic function of his role I.e not get outmarked.

He should have tried it not assumed he knew

 

[Dog 36]

Bizarre round so many upsets
Should be Renamed the punters round

This round reinforced why

1 One week at a time

2 why I don’t do ladder predictor

 

[Munnez]

Exactly. We're coaching to compensate for a lack of quality on some lines.

Are we the only list in the top 8 without an intercept marking defender?

Completely devoid of an intercept marker with Jones out. I get that Busslinger isn't probably physically ready. Bring the lad in and see if he might be able to impact.
We have to make some changes because what we're doing isn't working.

Will lose some 1vs 1 but maybe he can cut out some of the attack from the opposition. Bring him and JOD in if Jones doesn't get up for next week. We need to find an interceptor or two, as we aren't able to trade one in

 

[Mutt]

People aren't even criticising Bevo for the things that actually cost us. When West came on and played forward, we incorrectly pushed Weightman and not Scott onto the wing. They kicked two goals in the third moving the ball through Weightman having no idea how to play the position, before we took Scott out the forward line and sent Weightman back there.

Clearly with no Baker and having to send Williams back (which he didn't prepare for so can't fault him for not playing that well) we were structurally underpepared with Poulter etc. at various times confused in which group 6 of he was actually playing in. Cleary and Gardner are still inexperienced enough that we didn't have great leadership and communication down there - Duryea was trying to play his own game and basically coach 6 others players too.

It's highly unfortunate and disappointing but destiny still well and truly remains in our hands, nothing about this loss makes me think we shouldn't be confident in winning all of our remaining fixtures in any case.

What cost us was our not adjusting our game plan following the injuries. We continued to "compress the ground" in the third quarter. We pushed up as hard as I've ever seen us do it, and this was against a strong wind. Of course, when the inevitable turnovers happened (which is a predictable part of football), we were completely out of position to defend a rampaging GWS, compounded by being two key defenders down and unable to rotate players as we had planned.

The over-confidence or lack of tactical nous to make major adjustments mid-game when our plan A is disrupted again cost us the game.

I don't understand how anyone can suggest that Bevo's coaching is at a high standard now. I love what he has done for this club and he will forever be a BullGod, but his time has come and now has gone.

 

[lachy]

He knew Taylor would dominate Lobb even worse than Naughton. Which makes you wonder why we gave such trade capital and a 4 year deal to a guy who can’t perform the basic function of his role I.e not get outmarked.

Not sure that would be possible, absolutely pantsed Naughton

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[Munnez]

He knew Taylor would dominate Lobb even worse than Naughton. Which makes you wonder why we gave such trade capital and a 4 year deal to a guy who can’t perform the basic function of his role I.e not get outmarked.

In all honesty it wouldn't have been much different Naughton or Lobb as Taylor was slaughtering Naughton. At least Naughton may have provided something in the defensive space.

Our list clearly just isn't as talented as we and media pundits would have you believe. The ladder doesn't lie we are a mid table at best. We don't beat other tip 8 teams and drop matches regularly to teams below us..... it's soul destroying to watch happen. Bont won't play forever and just don't see us being able to bridge the gap at the moment

 

[Munnez]

Jones back at KPD.
A chance to get a game or two into Buss (no doubt MC pick JOD again though).

Small forward is an issue. Arty Jones as a pressure player or Charlie Clarke call up?

I feel that we need to bring back Arty to at least get some semblance of pressure on the ball carrier exiting D50. We have been totally devoid of it. Might make a bit of difference hopefully

 

[Bulldog in Kiev]

Have lost all confidence in my team winning from match winning positions but for me the biggest issue is the complete lack of killer instinct in the team. The easy misses in front of goal are so bad at times it is laughable, it kills confidence and gives the opposition hope.

Bevo is a one trick pony, it’s stale and outdated. We don’t tag, we don’t do game management well, & we s#%t the bed every time we get adversity- so unlike 2016. Bevo had credits but these have run out- judging on his last two seasons, we need to be looking at big changes on and off field

 

[Munnez]

the ease at which they exited our forward 50 and chained down the ground was alarming

It was like watching a slow motion train wreck. Just had that sense of inevitably about it. And sure enough the damage was done

 

[Tyrohad]

I'd appreciate your insight into the s**t coaching that got us 35 points up too...

The final result is all that matters mate. If the coaching was good enough to get us up 35 points, why wasn't it good enough to address the bloody obvious?

The Gaints addressed their problems at quarter time. Stemmed our dominance in the midfield through tags and then changed their gameplan in the 3rd to open up the ground.

It's always like this, against the Pies, Cats etc. Get off to a flier and then the opposition coach adjusts while our coach is too stubborn in his ways to roll out an effective counter.

Show me where Bevo and co does this in game...I won't hold my breath. Fuccking Lobb to fullback in the most critical stage of the game. We were still up by a bit too. What an absolute joke.

 

[The Inbetweener]

In all honesty it wouldn't have been much different Naughton or Lobb as Taylor was slaughtering Naughton. At least Naughton may have provided something in the defensive space.

Our list clearly just isn't as talented as we and media pundits would have you believe. The ladder doesn't lie we are a mid table at best. We don't beat other tip 8 teams and drop matches regularly to teams below us..... it's soul destroying to watch happen. Bont won't play forever and just don't see us being able to bridge the gap at the moment

At the time I could see why he’d make that choice but in the clear light of day we probably just needed to take 10 mins off the clock. Undoubtedly Naughton back v Lobb would have helped us achieve that.

 

[fred cook]

Have only seen chunks of today's match but struggle to imagine how anything I see could justify the level vitriol being directed at Bevo tonight.

Did he run out and intentionally injure Keath and Bruce?

Was he responsible for Jamarra badly wasting a golden opportunity to win the match?

Don't see anyone calling for JUH's head for being unable to execute a very simple kick at goal when completely in the clear?

cone on what planet are you on! @ this side time after tine blows winning leads that's why fans are so frustrated not because individual young players make the odd mistake during a game

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[Chalky White]

How average are Scott and Vandermeer. Can’t even kick regulation goals or execute general skills in the dying minutes

But Scott on Instagram kicking barrels from 50. Campaigner can't get close from 20 out when pressure is on
VanderMeer does my head in. Never seen a bloke do so many negative things still get selected. Last meaningful play for us, into forward line. Near him. You know he's going to f++k it up. Sure enough the crudest, worst tackle imaginable. GAME OVER.
Laughable when Gardner gets a handball from Poulter, dead flat footed. Then tried a snap kick out of defence, like a giraffe dropping the ball from its head. Greene spoils, chaos goal. Dumb footballer.
I was drained after that game. I felt like I had jet lag after long haul back from Heathrow.
Eff off Bevo. You're cooked.

 

[Freshwater]

I haven’t seen what it looked like on tv (do I really want to now?) completely different perspective at the ground, but it seemed if Naughts or Jamarra didn’t mark the footy it just walked or ran out of our forward line. Cody Weightman

3

Cody Weightman

Age

23

Ht

179cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.5

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

6.5

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.5

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

6.5

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

G

1.0

4star

was in for a lot of flak around me, he just makes out he puts his body on the line, but it’s more ‘theatrics’ than really having a decent go at it. And he was flying when we need someone to crumb and pressure and tackle and lock it in the forward 50. A good, but dumb and maybe egotistical player is Cody, needs to learn from Libba.

 

[W W Biscuit]

Kingsley sent Ward too Bont to curb his influence , and it worked well for them. Yet Bevo won't even try something similar when an opposition player is getting off the chain.
It would appear that Bevo hasn't adjusted to the way footy is being played now. Things aren't always going to run your way have to be able to change within game.
Injuries didn't help yesterday but as anyone can see we didn't pull the right levers. So much for Bevo's flexibility mantra. You need to be flexible unless you don't like it then just keep doing what you're doing

I'd go one step further. Bont is always going to be candidate number one for a hard tag. So, where is our team plan to combat it? What are we doing to upset the tag? How are we working for each other? I don't see it. All I see is Bont trying to do it on his own.

 

[Doggies_13]

I just don’t enjoy watching this team anymore.

I haven’t seen as many bad years as some in here, I was there through the Rhodes and BMac years.

Those years we went in with low expectations and you’d see signs from individual players and younger players.

This current team is just a frustration to watch. We have some absolute top tier talent on our list but then we have some extremely pedestrian mature age role players being played in front of talented kids, we have a game plan that needs everything star to align to work and no plan B.

We have had the same deficiencies year after year with no improvement or signs of them being addressed. Our game style isn’t exciting or effective.

Ultimately watching this team is a frustration that generally ruins your weekend rather than being something to look forward to