Autopsy Dogs apparently NOT out coached again... but still find a way to lose 78 v 73

[immortalmike]

The problem is two-fold.

1. Our game plan is not sustainable and out-dated.

2. Our list turnover has been terrible. There is no reason Hannan, McComb, Khamis, Vandermeer, Roarke, O'Brien, Crozier, Scott, McNeil are all still on the list.

Two or three I can cop but 9 players who provide nothing but vfl level depth.

This is then paired with new recruits like Baker and Poulter who may actually be worse than those listed and players who are past their best like Jones, Bruce, Keath, and Duryea.

Our list is in bad shape. It has resulted in having to players like Gardner and the aforementioned in key positions.

This is all on the coaches.
They have failed to develop players, they have trusted footsoldiers rather than talented juniors. There is no reason West, Garcia, Sweet, Cleary, and a whole host of players we've lost to more opportunity shouldn't have played more senior football. It took a late withdrawal for Cleary to play and an in game injury for West.

We needed new voices years ago. Now I think we need to burn it all down and start again.

 

[Lee]

Was this on Facebook?

yes hence why i don’t really believe it

 

[Mutt]

What an absolutely horrific loss.
Has there ever been a more perfect summation of a player’s career and ability than the incident when Gardner was smothered on the goal line ending up in a goal 1 second later… How Gardner conjured an opposition goal from that position was masterful.
Was it 4 or 5 shots at goal in the 2ndQ directly in front, kicking with the wind that were missed. What is it with these guys?! comical

Poulter should never have handballed to Gardiner. That goal was 100% on Poulter, who panicked and gave it to Gardiner, who was flat-footed and had a player right with him.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Poulter should never have handballed to Gardiner. That goal was 100% on Poulter, who panicked and have it to Gardiner, who was flat-footed and had a player right with him.

I don’t see what option Poulter had though. Had he got tackled its ball. I think he’s within his rights not to expect Gardner to be flat footed then turn into the traffic rather than hitting the boundary line

 

[Mutt]

I don’t see what option Poulter had though. Had he got tackled its ball. I think he’s within his rights not to expect Gardner to be flat footed then turn into the traffic rather than hitting the boundary line

Poulter should have kept going in the same direction and found a way to rush a behind if he couldn't get out the other side of the goalmouth. Gardiner was not expecting the handball...and nor should he. It was dumb footy from Poulter.

 

[Nat Fyfe]

The problem is two-fold.

1. Our game plan is not sustainable and out-dated.

2. Our list turnover has been terrible. There is no reason Hannan, McComb, Khamis, Vandermeer, Roarke, O'Brien, Crozier, Scott, McNeil are all still on the list.

Two or three I can cop but 9 players who provide nothing but vfl level depth.

This is then paired with new recruits like Baker and Poulter who may actually be worse than those listed and players who are past their best like Jones, Bruce, Keath, and Duryea.

Our list is in bad shape. It has resulted in having to players like Gardner and the aforementioned in key positions.

This is all on the coaches.
They have failed to develop players, they have trusted footsoldiers rather than talented juniors. There is no reason West, Garcia, Sweet, Cleary, and a whole host of players we've lost to more opportunity shouldn't have played more senior football. It took a late withdrawal for Cleary to play and an in game injury for West.

We needed new voices years ago. Now I think we need to burn it all down and start again.

Scott is a perfectly fine role player, I’m happy with him on the list. Roarke was one of our better players in the 2021 GF and has always stepped up in finals (don’t think he’s played a bad one tbh). The issue is you probably wouldn’t want more than 2 or 3 of these guys total as you said - journeymen with a known output who can perform a role when needed who have a moderate floor and low ceiling.

If we change coaches, I can definitely see McNeil and Vandermeer keeping their spots given their strengths would theoretically be valuable in a more modern game plan, but they’d be lucky based on recent output.

 

[maddog37]

Why does it take a young bloke like Cleary to show the way and kill attacks by rushing a behind?

I have been screaming out for months now for our defenders to rush it when in doubt. Too many panic merchants down back.

Number one priority for me is seeing defenders that make good decisions. Cleary looks good in that regard doesn’t he?

 

[yebach]

Why does it take a young bloke like Cleary to show the way and kill attacks by rushing a behind?

I have been screaming out for months now for our defenders to rush it when in doubt. Too many panic merchants down back.

Number one priority for me is seeing defenders that make good decisions. Cleary looks good in that regard doesn’t he?

Expect him to be dropped for Richards next week. Meanwhile Vandermeer retains his spot.

 

[spinningmagnets]

Weightman has only played 15 games and already has kicked 30 goals what a great year he is having

That's nice, too bad he was complete trash and an absolute liability yesterday.

 

[Nat Fyfe]

yes hence why i don’t really believe it

Some of the Bulldogs fan Facebook groups are unmoderated, so have been overrun with trolls from opposition clubs. I wouldn’t believe a word written in any of them tbh

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Storm whitten oval and protest, bevo has to go. Keeping Naughton forward when we are 2 backs down and getting beaten, wtf. This has happened too often this year and I like the rest of you have had enough. Bevo needs a new batch of napoli sauce. Piss off Bevo.

Yeah, cos that would've solved the Toby Greene problem.

I despise our game plan and Bevo’s stubbornness to tweak it. We are up by 35 points kicking into the breeze. Most coaches would have their defence hold back fill up space, protect the lead, chip it around and essentially hold that lead. We push so far up that on the turnover we get burnt as we aren’t quick. Who is CD, Macrae catching on the turnover? With a slowish midfield pushing the defenders so high is costing us games. Also why was Duryea so quick to leave Green when they got the fast break. Stick on Green and force the lesser likes to kick the goal. Shattering defeat, no momentum coming into finals now.


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No coach is going to allow their opponent to flood the middle of the ground in the hope of catching them coming back the other way. As for Greene we're talking about the games best medium sized forward here. One who proved way too quick and smart for our best shut down defender. The alternative was to switch one of our attacking defenders in JJ or Dale onto him. Neither of whom are noted man on man defenders. It would've been cruel to send Cleary to him when Green was on his hot streak turning the game on its head.

At the time I could see why he’d make that choice but in the clear light of day we probably just needed to take 10 mins off the clock. Undoubtedly Naughton back v Lobb would have helped us achieve that.

Given the damage was streaming out of our forward line and coming through the midfield to Toby Greene.

I have my doubts.

Why didn't he get put on Sam Taylor as as defensive forward? Why was Naughton left high forward when we were two tall defenders down?

He was smothering our best aerialist with clever use of the body and better reading of the flight of the ball in difficult conditions.

He would've done much the same against a were threat in Lobb.

Why is VDM selected at all? Worst player on our list and I'm not exaggerating.

I thought that this boards consensus had it that Robbie McComb was that person?

Why was Khamis slaughtered in selection?

Because he's one dimensional and not going to make it?

Why is Busslinger not playing?

Because he hasn't yet shown he is physically capable of displacing the middling trio of Gardner, Keath and Bruce.

However, this may change as soon as this week as week look forward to the prospect of Gardner underpinning our defence supported by JO'D and possibly Busslinger. I sense a pr inspired debut is going to happen this week.

Baffling coaching.

They mostly are from the stand or on the couch.

 

[Maverick Dog]

VDM is a liability anywhere but defence. I thought he has been serviceable. Duryea has been a good servant but his time is up. VDM needs to be A lockdown small defender who can run off. JJ, Richards, VDM and Dale need to play in the back half to generate the overlap and run off half back.

Bevos inability to make adjustments in the box has cost us 4 wins. Some of these moves an under 10 coach would do. A defensive forward on Stewart and we defeat the cats, tag on Rowell and we beat Suns, a defensive forward on Taylor and Naught goes back. against swans he could not make amy adjustments.

if we had a half decent game day coach we would be cemented in the top 4 and that’s with a crap game plan. Jus imagine a decent game plan and good matchday coaching

 

[_Mike_]

Given the damage was streaming out of our forward line and coming through the midfield to Toby Greene.

The haemorrhaging of goals happened as they kept persisting with the forward press right up to within the last minute of the 3rd quarter. That’s a tactical failure, the flow needed to be stopped, the ball was coming back as fast as it was going down with Gardner, Duryea and Poulter left in defence.

On numerous occasions both Gardner and Duryea were caught out in front of their man in the third when GWS had the breeze playing rebounding footy

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Bont could feasibly play any position of the ground so he could have moved far away from the middle . It was so disappointing to see how easily his influence was negated . He was absolutely on fire 1st quarter then disappeared. Bev needs to find a way to protect him.

When the tag was applied, my first thought was send Bont to FF, West into the middle and JUH higher up the ground with Naughts at CHF.
Force Ward to deal with Bont one out in the goal square. Would have at least shaken things up a bit! We were kicking with the wind, after all...

I remember in the 90s Terry Wallace being very creative with opposition taggers. If, for example, Scott West was being tagged, TW would sometimes send another player to work over the tagger. Very effective to do it now and again.

I guess I'm saying 'just do something'. Don't just cop it without a whimper!

 

[Doggy]

Could have had 15 wins right now if we had a decent tactical coach..

 

[immortalmike]

Poulter should have kept going in the same direction and found a way to rush a behind if he couldn't get out the other side of the goalmouth. Gardiner was not expecting the handball...and nor should he. It was dumb footy from Poulter.

Guys Guys...both players were dumb.

 

[MaxiBont]

Yeah, cos that would've solved the Toby Greene problem.

No coach is going to allow their opponent to flood the middle of the ground in the hope of catching them coming back the other way. As for Greene we're talking about the games best medium sized forward here. One who proved way too quick and smart for our best shut down defender. The alternative was to switch one of our attacking defenders in JJ or Dale onto him. Neither of whom are noted man on man defenders. It would've been cruel to send Cleary to him when Green was on his hot streak turning the game on its head.


Given the damage was streaming out of our forward line and coming through the midfield to Toby Greene.

I have my doubts.

He was smothering our best aerialist with clever use of the body and better reading of the flight of the ball in difficult conditions.

He would've done much the same against a were threat in Lobb.

I thought that this boards consensus had it that Robbie McComb was that person?

Because he's one dimensional and not going to make it?

Because he hasn't yet shown he is physically capable of displacing the middling trio of Gardner, Keath and Bruce.

However, this may change as soon as this week as week look forward to the prospect of Gardner underpinning our defence supported by JO'D and possibly Busslinger. I sense a pr inspired debut is going to happen this week.

They mostly are from the stand or on the couch.

You’re right, Bevo could have done absolutely nothing and he’s a great coach. We were lucky to be even a chance against the mighty Giants. If anything bevo has made us overachieve and 8th is great!

 

[Whoyagot]

Have only seen chunks of today's match but struggle to imagine how anything I see could justify the level vitriol being directed at Bevo tonight.

Did he run out and intentionally injure Keath and Bruce?

Was he responsible for Jamarra badly wasting a golden opportunity to win the match?

Don't see anyone calling for JUH's head for being unable to execute a very simple kick at goal when completely in the clear?

I think you’re right in a lot of ways, the players underperformed and we had a few unfortunate injuries. I think many fans just see games like this happen so consistently and ultimately feel the list is not performing as well as it should.

It’s where a lot of the push comes for a revamp. What we’re doing right now isn’t working so May as well change it up.

 

[yebach]

Yeah, cos that would've solved the Toby Greene problem.

No coach is going to allow their opponent to flood the middle of the ground in the hope of catching them coming back the other way. As for Greene we're talking about the games best medium sized forward here. One who proved way too quick and smart for our best shut down defender. The alternative was to switch one of our attacking defenders in JJ or Dale onto him. Neither of whom are noted man on man defenders. It would've been cruel to send Cleary to him when Green was on his hot streak turning the game on its head.


Given the damage was streaming out of our forward line and coming through the midfield to Toby Greene.

I have my doubts.

He was smothering our best aerialist with clever use of the body and better reading of the flight of the ball in difficult conditions.

He would've done much the same against a were threat in Lobb.

I thought that this boards consensus had it that Robbie McComb was that person?

Because he's one dimensional and not going to make it?

Because he hasn't yet shown he is physically capable of displacing the middling trio of Gardner, Keath and Bruce.

However, this may change as soon as this week as week look forward to the prospect of Gardner underpinning our defence supported by JO'D and possibly Busslinger. I sense a pr inspired debut is going to happen this week.

They mostly are from the stand or on the couch.

You're right. Bevo is coaching perfectly. He's just a victim of circumstance.

 

[lateniter]

There's a clear link between our capitulation in 2021, the elimination final against Fremantle and what happened yesterday.
Beveridge has been very coy about how the GF defeat was reviewed, if at all.
Would a proper, forensic examination have prevented us from becoming downhill skiers?

 

[immortalmike]

Yeah, cos that would've solved the Toby Greene problem.

No coach is going to allow their opponent to flood the middle of the ground in the hope of catching them coming back the other way. As for Greene we're talking about the games best medium sized forward here. One who proved way too quick and smart for our best shut down defender. The alternative was to switch one of our attacking defenders in JJ or Dale onto him. Neither of whom are noted man on man defenders. It would've been cruel to send Cleary to him when Green was on his hot streak turning the game on its head.


Given the damage was streaming out of our forward line and coming through the midfield to Toby Greene.

I have my doubts.

He was smothering our best aerialist with clever use of the body and better reading of the flight of the ball in difficult conditions.

He would've done much the same against a were threat in Lobb.

I thought that this boards consensus had it that Robbie McComb was that person?

Because he's one dimensional and not going to make it?

Because he hasn't yet shown he is physically capable of displacing the middling trio of Gardner, Keath and Bruce.

However, this may change as soon as this week as week look forward to the prospect of Gardner underpinning our defence supported by JO'D and possibly Busslinger. I sense a pr inspired debut is going to happen this week.

They mostly are from the stand or on the couch.

Bro...are you legitimately saying there was nothing you could do from the coaches box to stop a 35 point lead in the third quarter dissipating to a middling Giants side without their best mid and best key forward?

 

[Planet Dogs]

Watching on TV with a neutral mate who I reckon is a decent footy judge.
Half time: checked the live odds: Doggies $1.01, GWS: $14.00. Knowing my beloved dogs I said I will put $10 at $14.
Mate said: there is no way in hell the giants can win this. Didn't do the bet.

 

[adogsfan5]

 

[Nat Fyfe]

There's a clear link between our capitulation in 2021, the elimination final against Fremantle and what happened yesterday.
Blind Freddy can see it. Open up a lead then get run down in the 3rd and last.
Beveridge has been very coy about how the GF defeat was reviewed, if at all.
Would a proper, forensic examination have prevented us from becoming downhill skiers?

To take an optimist's view - how many of our losses have been comprehensive smashings this year? Round 1 and 2 we looked an entirely different side, but otherwise we've been in a winning position in basically every other game. That tells me that what we do right is more than good enough for us to beat any side. It's what we do when things are going wrong that becomes the problem. We don't defend the corridor, we don't adjust to our opponent's changes in approach, we don't appropriately defend a lead and instead stick with a high risk, low reward structure. It's painful seeing how much of a "nearly" side we are this year. Looking through our losses after the first two rounds:

Round 5 (Port): Up by over a goal in the 4th quarter, lose by 15
Round 11 (GC): Up by over 3 goals in the first, lose by 7
Round 12 (Cats): Up or even for most of the game, lose by 22
Round 13 (Port): Breaking even for majority of the game, lose by 22
Round 17 (Pies): Convincingly winning early, throw hard in the 3rd, lose by 12
Round 18 (Swans): Up by over 3 goals early, throw it in the 3rd, change lead multiple times and eventually lose by 2
Round 20 (GWS): Up by 30+ in the 3rd quarter, lose by 5

All these losses since round 2 we've either hard thrown a good lead, or we've been right in it until we roll over at the end. I'm confident we can beat anyone, but I am also confident that we can throw any game no matter how big a lead we hold.

 

[JTCWBFC]

From the coach who brought you ‘more is less’ re goal kicking while we shank it from directly in front each week