Game Day Dogs vs Pies @ Moe Saturday 10 March

[Yojimbo]

Comprehensive list of AFL standard, natural forwards at the dogs:

1. Tory Dickson
2.

Discuss.

I would equate Tory Dickson with Sam Lloyd from Richmond
natural forwards yes, but AFL/VFL players.
Tory Dickson (2017) 33 Marks, 1 Contested or 3.03 %.
Sam Lloyd (2017) 39 Marks, 4 Contested or 10.25 %.

Although it has to be factored in his injury interrupted last
few seasons.

Liam Picken (2017) 84 Marks, 18 Contested or 21.42 % is
a fairly good place to start along with;
Jake Stringer (2017) 48 Marks, 9 Contested or 18.75 %.
Travis Cloke (2017) 41 Marks, 9 Contested or 21.95 %.
Jack Redpath (2017) 61 Marks, 8 Contested or 13.11 %.
Tom Boyd (2017) 26 Marks, 3 Contested or 11.53 %.

 

[Bulldog Brent]

As I mention early on this board, lets just hope Bevo hip surgery is all good by rd 1.

Did Bevo have hip surgery? News to me!

 

[SCRAY72]

I tend to not focus on negatives from trial games, except for long term injuries, but the Dogs gave up far too many inside 50's marks to the Pies. If that happens during the season will lose most games.

 

[TempletonTheRat]

Comprehensive list of AFL standard, natural forwards at the dogs:

1. Tory Dickson
2.

Discuss.

Fergus Greene

 

[The Inbetweener]

Comprehensive list of AFL standard, natural forwards at the dogs:

1. Tory Dickson
2.

Discuss.

Agree
Lipinski the only other one I would consider but he looks at least another season away

 

[Leviticus]

I have been looking at systems and structures more than cattle mate and they don’t seem to have changed much from last year from what I’ve seen so far.

I’ve alway said the coaching worried me more than cattle this year

More like after you have croaked yourself hoarse bagging the players, you have now turned your bile on the coaches.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

I would equate Tory Dickson with Sam Lloyd from Richmond
natural forwards yes, but AFL/VFL players.
Tory Dickson (2017) 33 Marks, 1 Contested or 3.03 %.
Sam Lloyd (2017) 39 Marks, 4 Contested or 10.25 %.

Although it has to be factored in his injury interrupted last
few seasons.

Liam Picken (2017) 84 Marks, 18 Contested or 21.42 % is
a fairly good place to start along with;
Jake Stringer (2017) 48 Marks, 9 Contested or 18.75 %.
Travis Cloke (2017) 41 Marks, 9 Contested or 21.95 %.
Jack Redpath (2017) 61 Marks, 8 Contested or 13.11 %.
Tom Boyd (2017) 26 Marks, 3 Contested or 11.53 %.

Although Im still not quite sure what it is, picking out the one single metric that nobody would claim is his strong suit does not serve your argument well.

Need I remind you that during the best season of his career in which he managed to kick 50 goals he only took 5 contested marks across a season spanning 23 games as opposed to last years clearly injury ruined one when he took 1 in 9 games?

Has he peaked? Almost certainly, but that is not the question at hand. Now if Fronk had asked if his is our best contested mark...

 

[ScragCity]

Comprehensive list of AFL standard, natural forwards at the dogs:

1. Tory Dickson
2.

Discuss.

Honeychurch is a natural forward. Very good goal kicking instincts. Seems to be able to create something from nothing and always knows where the sticks are.

 

[Tommycash]

Did Bevo have hip surgery? News to me!

I think it was actually a neck issue. He is sporting a new scar there...

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Did Bevo have hip surgery? News to me!

I heard neck surgery. I looked at his neck during his interview with Ralph on Saturday, some red marks.

 

[Tommycash]

In the first 15 minutes we completely dominated them. However, as was also typical of 2016, we just weren't able to pile on as much score board pressure from that dominance as we may have deserved. Roughie went down at the same time as the tide turned in the first I thought.

The second and third quarters were not particularly promising though. Naturally neither was the fourth. If we can apply the kind of pressure we were in the first quarter for 4 quarters we will be held in good stead, but given we had a team that will easily be equal or better to some best 22 sides we will field this year I wasn't filled with confidence.

That said it was pre-season. Bailey Dale showed early that he can again be a crucial cog, but he coughed up the ball a lot and made some bad decisions. I expect that tide to turn in the season proper.

Forward line looks a worry though. Trengove showed some good signs there early I thought and I hope it was more to do with Roughie going down that he was taken out of there.

At the end of the day, the JLT has in the past been used to experiment and tinker as much as it is to warm up. While the side we put out didn't necessarily reflect that, it may be that we cycled through set-ups and different game plans from quarter to quarter. Let's hope that is the case.

I'm looking forward to seeing us in round 1 where we will get a clearer picture of the season ahead.

 

[inyourfacedunk]

36 less rotations for the game. That's 9 less per quarter.
Suckling mentioned at the half time break that conditions were good for conditioning.

Could be some insight into what one of the aims for the game was.
Obviously they would have been working on more than just conditioning, but it seems to have been a focus. Can't read too much into the loss really.

Once round one starts and teams have set rotations, we'll have a much better gauge on how close or far off they are to the top.

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

Comprehensive list of AFL standard, natural forwards at the dogs:

1. Tory Dickson
2.

Discuss.

Dahlhaus. But we use him in the midfield. Would love to see him used as an old school crumbing small forward.

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

But the whole ‘natural forward’ argument would be moot if you have the right athlete with the right attitude and the right coaching.

Cooper Cronk at the Melbourne Storm is a great example. Was tried in most positions. Halfback left at end of 2005, so his path to starting 13 was to take the halfback spot.

All these years later he’ll go down as one of the best halfbacks of all time, 2 x Dally M winner (NRL equivalent of Brownlow), Clive Churchill medallist, has won 4 premierships and won a golden boot award.(best player in the world)

We might not have many natural forwards, but if the delivery inside 50 is serviceable, the coaching is good and the player attributes stack up then we can make it work.

 

[Yojimbo]

Although Im still not quite sure what it is, picking out the one single metric that nobody would claim is his strong suit does not serve your argument well.

Need I remind you that during the best season of his career in which he managed to kick 50 goals he only took 5 contested marks across a season spanning 23 games as opposed to last years clearly injury ruined one when he took 1 in 9 games?

Has he peaked? Almost certainly, but that is not the question at hand. Now if Fronk had asked if his is our best contested mark...

Come on Norm i was not being derogatory to Tory just
pointing out that forwards need more strings to their
bows in the modern game including a contested side
to their game plus leg speed and endurance. It's no
fluke that Picken and Stringer topped the goal list
last year as our static goals are rare.

 

[fronkalicious]

Fergus Greene

Agree he’s a natural forward, just not AFL standard yet.

Massive opportunity for him if he gets off to a good start in the VFL.

 

[Mattdougie]

More like after you have croaked yourself hoarse bagging the players, you have now turned your bile on the coaches.

Haha I say 3 depth players are shit and I’m bagging the players and want the coaches back to their 2016 roles which they were obviosly good at and are not in their current roles and it’s bile???

lol sleep with the light on do u?

 

[dogwatch]

Comprehensive list of AFL standard, natural forwards at the dogs:

1. Tory Dickson
2.

Discuss.

... and there are question marks over whether Dickson is fit and/or is past his best. He turns 31 in September.

I think Clay Smith when fit and in form is AFL standard and has most of the required instincts of a forward.

Redpath is a bit more line ball on both counts (form and instincts) but on our list only he and Dickson average more than a goal a game over their career. (Redpath 1.65, Dickson 1.69).

I'd also add Bontempelli but he's a freak, a natural anywhere on the park. Anyway I'd prefer he spent more time on the ball than as a forward.

 

[McCraeBF]

We went into the game with a clear plan to get miles in the legs.
what we learnt..

• Honeychurch not up to it
• Suckling not up to it
• We have the best 1st year player on our list Naughton is a gun
• Wood is a back
• JJ is a back

Think Honey had it around 20 times just bombs away -replace with Daniels and add 5 more goals.

Suckling goes for too much his not a half back..

 

[Optimistic Dog]

I must say I am intrigued and confused with our list we have 14 key position/ruckman see below. This would be more talls than any team and the game seems to be heading the other way. Yet we are playing Easton Wood forward for extra making strength. This clearly says that we have quantity not quality in our talls and Campbell, Collins, Roberts and Redpath are depth players we do not need.

We would be better served replacing these with smaller speedy smalls who may make the grade.

Roughead
Campbell
Trengrove
Boyd
English
Adams
Young
Collins
Cordy
Naughton
Redpath
Schacke
Muellenger- Mchugh
Roberts

I have done a comparison with the Tigers list and they have 9 key position/ruckman and 3 of these were drafted in 2017 and will not see much action.

Riewolt
Astbury
Rance
Hampson
Nankervis
Soldo

1st year Miller, Coleman-Jones and Balta


That is a huge difference in list structure and management and means the tigers have an additional 5 running types. Hope I wrong but I think 2017 premiers have a better structure than 2016 premiers.

 

[dogwatch]

Hope I wrong but I think 2017 premiers have a better structure than 2016 premiers.

That's not very optimistic, OD!

 

[fronkalicious]

... and there are question marks over whether Dickson is fit and/or is past his best. He turns 31 in September.

I think Clay Smith when fit and in form is AFL standard and has most of the required instincts of a forward.

Redpath is a bit more line ball on both counts (form and instincts) but on our list only he and Dickson average more than a goal a game over their career. (Redpath 1.65, Dickson 1.69).

I'd also add Bontempelli but he's a freak, a natural anywhere on the park. Anyway I'd prefer he spent more time on the ball than as a forward.

Yep, I didn’t add redpath as I don’t classify him as AFL standard. Definitely has forward instincts though.

 

[Anja_Nees]

36 less rotations for the game. That's 9 less per quarter.
Suckling mentioned at the half time break that conditions were good for conditioning.

Could be some insight into what one of the aims for the game was.
Obviously they would have been working on more than just conditioning, but it seems to have been a focus. Can't read too much into the loss really.

Once round one starts and teams have set rotations, we'll have a much better gauge on how close or far off they are to the top.

In the first game Gia said we were trying to play with 22 at a time rather than trying to rotate through all of the selected players. This Schache and Picken came on at half time. I think the JLT has been used as a dress rehearsal and training exercise and little more.

 

[Pugz89]

Dahlhaus. But we use him in the midfield. Would love to see him used as an old school crumbing small forward.

I'm not sure he is a natural forward. His finishing is average at best.

 

[Dog 36]

I will only look at the natural forward argument when we get a side together that has the foot skills that are at AFL standard.

Our disposal by foot is Shyte! We can't even kick the ball to the advantage of our players let alone to them.

I would hate to be a any type of forward in our side.