Rumour Draft Rumours 2024

[LB2Snake]

Pretty much I think that was the gist of it

Then yes. I think they could’ve done both

 

[aussierulesrules]

I think this qualifies as a rumour. According to C4, Richmond are adamant they don’t want to part with picks 6 or 24 in these proposed trades with Port, North, etc.

24 because it’s the first pick of the 2nd round and apparently that holds extra value each year, and clubs will come for it on the night.

I still haven’t wrapped my head around why clubs think that pick is so valuable.

 

[tigs2010]

I think this qualifies as a rumour. According to C4, Richmond are adamant they don’t want to part with picks 6 or 24 in these proposed trades with Port, North, etc.

24 because it’s the first pick of the 2nd round and apparently that holds extra value each year, and clubs will come for it on the night.

I still haven’t wrapped my head around why clubs think that pick is so valuable.

Purely the time you have to field offers and teams including the holder to properly assess their board.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I think this qualifies as a rumour. According to C4, Richmond are adamant they don’t want to part with picks 6 or 24 in these proposed trades with Port, North, etc.

24 because it’s the first pick of the 2nd round and apparently that holds extra value each year, and clubs will come for it on the night.

I still haven’t wrapped my head around why clubs think that pick is so valuable.

Wow, Richmond must really love Smillie.

 

[dazzledavey36]

Really interesting that Melbourne have some interest with Cooper Hynes at pick 9.

Could he be the bolter of the night?

 

[GWS Goose]

Really interesting that Melbourne have some interest with Cooper Hynes at pick 9.

Could he be the bolter of the night?

That would be a bolter.

 

[sr36]

Wow, Richmond must really love Smillie.

Not really.

I always find it strange how differently pick swaps are viewed than trades involving a player. Even though pick swaps at the pointy end are about specific players

Take the Carlton move up to pick 3. It's seen by many as an absolute bargain and a terrible trade by WCE. But if it was a trade for a player and you paid pick 12,14 and a senior player - you'd be getting a proven star.

Or St Kildas supposed offer of pick 7 and a future first not being seen as a huge price, but not many players would command pick 7 and St Kildas future first in trade.

 

[Profop]

Other thing to consider with the trade for two is that if the Tigers don’t have Tauru in our top twelve or so (and aren’t convinced other teams above us do either) it’s also in our interest to try and get North to take him at two so players we prefer are then available at 10/11

Tauru is a bit of a bolter I’m not convinced he’s a lock top ten on everyone’s board

 

[Rich01]

Wow, Richmond must really love Smillie.

Maybe they do.
Or they really like their top 6 players on their board.

They may not see a massive difference between their second ranked player and the one that drops to six. Not that’s worth another pick in the top dozen on top of that.

 

[Wild Bill]

blues and saints desperate for Nth to keep Pick 2 and take Tauru

Means Fos falls to Pick 3 to the blues and One of Langford, Draper, Smith Smillie falls to Pick 7 to the saints

Richmond see little difference between Player at Pick 6 and Pick 2, certainly not worth the player available at 18/20

ATM that player as far Mark Mcgowen https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...out-the-top-40-prospects-20241024-p5kl0v.html

reckons is Trainor/Dettoli/Faull/Alger

So Richmond think Smillie+Trainor/Dettoli, is > Fos

Very important to ignore the picks and rate the players .

ATM looks like Saints and Carltons dreams will come true.

We won't take Tauru at 2 - it will be FOS or Lalor - or maybe Smith but that is a longer shot than the other 2.

 

[blaisee]

Wow, Richmond must really love Smillie.

Yep they must

In the end they must rate smillie and pick 18/20 let’s call it Murphy Reid/ Shanahan greater than fos

This must be the case or this trade would have been completed allready

 

[bc27]

Wow, Richmond must really love Smillie.

I really rate Smillie. I think he’s going to be a star.
But I do believe if tigers take Lalor at 1 we won’t be taking Smillie at 6. They don’t provide enough contrast as mids and neither have serious pace.

I think the Smillie interest is either an overblown link or a red herring.

I feel pretty confident tigers really want Jagga and are hoping he either falls to 6 or they will potentially look to trade up from 6,10,11 to nab him.

 

[KrispyKreme]

Yep they must

In the end they must rate smillie and pick 18/20 let’s call it Murphy Reid/ Shanahan greater than fos

They wouldn’t be considering him at 1 then

 

[Wild Bill]

I hope we take FOS. Without injuries every chance to be the clear 1. If the Tigers are seduced by the "next dusty" then this could work in our favour.

 

[blaisee]

I hope we take FOS. Without injuries every chance to be the clear 1. If the Tigers are seduced by the "next dusty" then this could work in our favour.

Completely agree

I would not let fos go if I was nth but the list manager has put nth in a tough spot

 

[marcmurphy3]

It'll be really interesting. Would be funny if after 100 pages of debate the picks remain the same. Can see a real possibility.

I just don't see how Richmond gets 2 without buckling on 6. I could see a scenario where it's 6 plus not much else (18/20) if North decide to reach for a player at 2 that will 100% be there at 6 anyway. So, they get pick 18 or 20 as a bonus plus the player they would have taken at 2. That's only if they decide to reach. If they would have taken one of the consensus top 3-4 with pick 2 the deal doesn't look as good.

Just because Richmond is saying they won't deal 6 doesn't mean they won't. I suspect they want 2 more than they are letting on.

Also, it's funny how adamant supporters are about what their clubs will or won't do or who they will or won't pick. Fine to have an opinion but they're not statements of fact. Nobody 100% knows what the clubs are thinking. If you did a supporter poll on the Westcoast board over the pick 3 trade 1 day before it would have been a nearly unanimous no. Didn't stop the trade from going through.

 

[sr36]

I really rate Smillie. I think he’s going to be a star.
But I do believe if tigers take Lalor at 1 we won’t be taking Smillie at 6. They don’t provide enough contrast as mids and neither have serious pace.

Tigers are as close to a blank canvas as it gets. Everything is a need. I think they'd be nuts to start factoring in needs rather than best available at their second pick into a rebuild.

 

[Danog]

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This still feels like the outcome where everyone is happy. Results in:

Rich: 1, 2, 6, 15, 18, 23, 24
- Richmond move up to 2, while keeping 6

GWS: 13, 20, 21, 37, 56, 74
- GWS move ahead of Richmond (who would be inclined to take a risk due to their many 1st-rounders) and Freo (another finals contender) to take a potential A-grader (Hotton), which could be well worth it considering they have 3 first rounders

Port: 10, 36, 50, 62
- Port have someone they really like at 10 (Travaglia I believe); so they secure him and pick up an extra late pick (which will come in to the 50s once bid-matching happens) for points if a bid on Rome Burgoyne comes.

Saints: 8, 11, 29, 32
- The only potential "losers" IMO, but if they view North, Melbourne, and Port as not targeting who they want before pick 11, then they get a free ~15 pick upgrade into the valuable top 30ish that this draft has.

North: 7, 16, 47
- Turn 2 and 62 into Tauru, another KPP (Armstrong, Shanahan, Trainor, Whitlock), plus 47 becomes very useable once the Ess/GC/Bris bids for Kako/Lombard/Ashcroft/Marshall happen (becomes pick 39ish)

 

[marcmurphy3]

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This still feels like the outcome where everyone is happy. Results in:

Rich: 1, 2, 6, 15, 18, 23, 24
- Richmond move up to 2, while keeping 6

GWS: 13, 20, 21, 37, 56, 74
- GWS move ahead of Richmond (who would be inclined to take a risk due to their many 1st-rounders) and Freo (another finals contender) to take a potential A-grader (Hotton), which could be well worth it considering they have 3 first rounders

Port: 10, 36, 50, 62
- Port have someone they really like at 10 (Travaglia I believe); so they secure him and pick up an extra late pick (which will come in to the 50s once bid-matching happens) for points if a bid on Rome Burgoyne comes.

Saints: 8, 11, 29, 32
- The only potential "losers" IMO, but if they view North, Melbourne, and Port as not targeting who they want before pick 11, then they get a ~15 pick upgrade into the valuable top 30ish that this draft has.

North: 7, 16, 47
- Turn 2 and 62 into Tauru, another KPP (Armstrong, Shanahan, Trainor, Whitlock), plus 47 becomes very useable once the Ess/GC/Bris bids for Kako/Lombard/Ashcroft/Marshall happen (becomes pick 39ish)

I just don't see the Saints giving up having back-to-back picks in the top 10, in order to help Richmond get 2 which St Kilda themselves want. Would make no sense.

 

[KrispyKreme]

Tigers are as close to a blank canvas as it gets. Everything is a need. I think they'd be nuts to start factoring in needs rather than best available at their second pick into a rebuild.

well could say the same in focussing on young players in a aging list and trying to set yourself up before Tasmania but Collingwood seemingly will be worse than Tasmania at this rate with the amount of retirees you’ll have no?

 

[sydney_gws]

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This still feels like the outcome where everyone is happy. Results in:

Rich: 1, 2, 6, 15, 18, 23, 24
- Richmond move up to 2, while keeping 6

GWS: 13, 20, 21, 37, 56, 74
- GWS move ahead of Richmond (who would be inclined to take a risk due to their many 1st-rounders) and Freo (another finals contender) to take a potential A-grader (Hotton), which could be well worth it considering they have 3 first rounders

Port: 10, 36, 50, 62
- Port have someone they really like at 10 (Travaglia I believe); so they secure him and pick up an extra late pick (which will come in to the 50s once bid-matching happens) for points if a bid on Rome Burgoyne comes.

Saints: 8, 11, 29, 32
- The only potential "losers" IMO, but if they view North, Melbourne, and Port as not targeting who they want before pick 11, then they get a free ~15 pick upgrade into the valuable top 30ish that this draft has.

North: 7, 16, 47
- Turn 2 and 62 into Tauru, another KPP (Armstrong, Shanahan, Trainor, Whitlock), plus 47 becomes very useable once the Ess/GC/Bris bids for Kako/Lombard/Ashcroft/Marshall happen (becomes pick 39ish)

If you say 11,20 is the same as 14,15 then effectively
10,14,15 for 2 15. 15 cancels out, so
10,14 for 2. I think that favours tigers, North would hope to do better but if North is making offers or has asked for offers for pick 2, perhaps nobody is giving North what they want.

North might end up accepting something it's fans are unhappy with but is the best offer they have received.

 

[stavro#4]

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This still feels like the outcome where everyone is happy. Results in:

Rich: 1, 2, 6, 15, 18, 23, 24
- Richmond move up to 2, while keeping 6

GWS: 13, 20, 21, 37, 56, 74
- GWS move ahead of Richmond (who would be inclined to take a risk due to their many 1st-rounders) and Freo (another finals contender) to take a potential A-grader (Hotton), which could be well worth it considering they have 3 first rounders

Port: 10, 36, 50, 62
- Port have someone they really like at 10 (Travaglia I believe); so they secure him and pick up an extra late pick (which will come in to the 50s once bid-matching happens) for points if a bid on Rome Burgoyne comes.

Saints: 8, 11, 29, 32
- The only potential "losers" IMO, but if they view North, Melbourne, and Port as not targeting who they want before pick 11, then they get a free ~15 pick upgrade into the valuable top 30ish that this draft has.

North: 7, 16, 47
- Turn 2 and 62 into Tauru, another KPP (Armstrong, Shanahan, Trainor, Whitlock), plus 47 becomes very useable once the Ess/GC/Bris bids for Kako/Lombard/Ashcroft/Marshall happen (becomes pick 39ish)

So you want the saints to slide 7 back to 11 to upgrade a second round pick?

We don’t even gain a another first rounder for the trouble.

All these mega pick trades don’t work unless the saints are involved and in every single one of these hypotheticals you all have the saints giving 7 or 8 to north and getting absolutely no benefit.

 

[KrispyKreme]

I just don't see the Saints giving up having back-to-back picks in the top 10, in order to help Richmond get 2 which St Kilda themselves want. Would make no sense.

Saints will give up one pick in the top ten but I think for a late teens pick and something else.

 

[stavro#4]

Saints will give up one pick in the top ten but I think for a late teens pick and something else.

We want 3 first round picks at the minimum.

Try working things out in your mega trade hypothetical with that in mind.

It doesn’t work unless Richmond pony up further picks.

7+ F1 for 2 + F2

Then enables us to bundle 8 with 32 and a potential F2 to acquire the additional picks

 

[#1_pigeonracer]

Saints will give up one pick in the top ten but I think for a late teens pick and something else.

Makes complete sense now. That 'something else' the sealer in the deal.