Play Nice Dusty Incident #chopstickgate [$5k suspended fine - Club Statement Page 229 of Thread]

[Stylo]

lots of Richmond supporters making excuses for violence against women. Pretty weak.

Care to point them out big guy?

 

[Tiggytigers]

Wow, just wow and what is even more pathetic is that there are some who will agree with you.

Ok what did I say that was incorrect, I do not know one female that would go up to a random male that's intoxicated and tell him to quite down..... Common sense is that guys are stupid and aggressive when they're f.ucking drunk

 

[Tiggytigers]

so she's been abused and threatened by this bloke and you expect her to recall everything??She hasn't denied this anyway .
This is why we have witnesses in courts.

"I'll f------ kill you",' the patron said.

Ok yeah fair enough but like if someone has threatened to kill you wouldn't that be the first thing that you would remember though and if someone is threatening to bloody kill you, go straight to the police hunny! As she still even gone there?

 

[Tiggytigers]

Geez people are so closed minded, can't even read between the lines

 

[Schlurp]

And now KB enters the picture demanding a $50k fine and a 12 months suspension. I'm sort of glad that he's said this because it takes the focus off Dustin and places it squarely on KB. Which is what this attention deficit syndrome suffering geriatric former champion is seeking in the first place. All I need now is for Jeff Kennett to pop up with a call for say a public flogging coupled with tattoo removal by orbital sander for this side show to be complete.

Dustin has obviously stuffed up immensely and hopefully has learned a life changing lesson. However, the self indulgent chattering from the sidelines is not helpful either to him, to the offended person or to the cause of eliminating violence towards women.

 

[CoggaRules]

Ok what did I say that was incorrect, I do not know one female that would go up to a random male that's intoxicated and tell him to quite down..... Common sense is that guys are stupid and aggressive when they're f.ucking drunk

now the assumption you make is that the woman went up to him and told him to calm down....from what has been reported and the hazy footage...pretty much shows that the woman was sitting down and must have said it across the table and Dusty has got up all hyped up and gone off and then was ushered out.

 

[Tiggytigers]

now the assumption you make is that the woman went up to him and told him to calm down....from what has been reported and the hazy footage...pretty much shows that the woman was sitting down and must have said it across the table and Dusty has got up all hyped up and gone off and then was ushered out.

Ok yep fair enough

 

[Tigerturbulance]

And now KB enters the picture demanding a $50k fine and a 12 months suspension. I'm sort of glad that he's said this because it takes the focus off Dustin and places it squarely on KB. Which is what this attention deficit syndrome suffering geriatric former champion is seeking in the first place. All I need now is for Jeff Kennett to pop up with a call for say a public flogging coupled with tattoo removal by orbital sander for this side show to be complete.

Dustin has obviously stuffed up immensely and hopefully has learned a life changing lesson. However, the self indulgent chattering from the sidelines is not helpful either to him, to the offended person or to the cause of eliminating violence towards women.

Stop writting rational stuff your ruining this soap opera and going to spoil the ending for everyone

 

[Tony Harrison]

Ok what did I say that was incorrect, I do not know one female that would go up to a random male that's intoxicated and tell him to quite down..... Common sense is that guys are stupid and aggressive when they're f.ucking drunk

It doesn't matter how she approached the situation.
She was not violent, nor was she aggressive.
In a public space that Dustin is said to frequent, his response is surprising.
He is at fault here, not her.

 

[CoggaRules]

Geez people are so closed minded, can't even read between the lines

i can read between the lines it says Brandz B2B

 

[Tiggytigers]

Have to wait until security footage has been released, he can't remember what happened, and the co owner of the place said that he didn't hold a chopstick up at her head and hit the wall with it, so we just gotta wait and see

 

[Tigermick17]

Luke Hodge drink drives - fine and gets brushed under rug
Hawthorn players investigated for rape - brushed under the rug
Carlisle sends video snorting cocaine - couple of games suspension and brushed under rug

Dusty is an idiot and says something very stupid, apologizes and owns up to it - people crying for year suspension

F**k off, what a joke. Hodge actually put peoples lives at risk, the other hawks muppets potentially actually committed a crime, and Carlisle DID commit a crime.

I actually wanted to call up SEN this morning and make this point exactly, but Andy Maher doesn't really listen to other people's opinions once he's formed his own. Glad he's moving to lunch time where no one will actually have to listen to him.

Look if what happened is 100% true then Dustin should be punished appropriately. Any act of that nature towards anyone is unacceptable and should not just be swept under the rug. But be reasonable about it, calls for his head is going a little too far.
Education, community work, appropriate suspension, fines, mediation and public appology to the victim should be the course of action. If in deed Dusty needs help with his behavior then kicking him out of the AFL or suspending him for 12 months won't help him or the club.
Plus, if it was truely an act of inappropriate behavior and violence towards another person, I'd like to see the police involved and hear what they have to say about the incident.

 

[TigerImposter]

Ok yeah fair enough but like if someone has threatened to kill you wouldn't that be the first thing that you would remember though and if someone is threatening to bloody kill you, go straight to the police hunny! As she still even gone there?

i think she did mention she was threatened to be stabbed with chopsticks. she has witnesses ,the point your making is irrelevant.

 

[Komrade_Tiger]

legal experts correct me if i'm wrong, trying to remember from high school psych here....

...but isn't eyewitness testimony taken with a MAJOR grain of salt as it can be influenced? IIRC i think it was the hurricane johnson case where the cops manipulated the eyewitnesses. witnesses are useful in a case but the only "real" evidence we have is her statement and that 5 second video

 

[Taylor]

Ok what did I say that was incorrect, I do not know one female that would go up to a random male that's intoxicated and tell him to quite down..... Common sense is that guys are stupid and aggressive when they're f.ucking drunk

She might have been one of those dreamers that doesn't expect to be manhandled when presenting what she felt was a reasonable argument.

What sort of world do you want? Girls afraid of men because boys will be boys and throw them around or people interacting as adults without having to use their bodies?

 

[Tiggytigers]

i can read between the lines it says Brandz B2B

Oh good job, did you have fun finding that

 

[Tigerturbulance]

Have to wait until security footage has been released, he can't remember what happened, and the co owner of the place said that he didn't hold a chopstick up at her head and hit the wall with it, so we just gotta wait and see

Smart move use the master sergeant schultz defence- "l see nuthing"

 

[I Rock]

Ok what did I say that was incorrect, I do not know one female that would go up to a random male that's intoxicated and tell him to quite down..... Common sense is that guys are stupid and aggressive when they're f.ucking drunk

I think you will find you are asking the wrong question; what you should have asked was what was right about what you posted.

Anyway in response to your question here it goes:
You implied that a Male with Tattoos (and a shit hair cut) must be a meat head.
You implied that a a Male whilst intoxicated has a reason (and possible a pass) to be aggressive.
You also implied that a Female shouldn't be able to confront an intoxicated tattooed man unless she expects him to be aggressive in return.

Now you may not believe that these are things that should happen (because lets face it only Pond Scum would), however by you stating what does "she expect". Then you are allowing it from your perspective to be a socially accepted outcome. When clearly it is not.

That's the basic crux of what is wrong with what you posted.

 

[Rumballs]

Again, why would her being a woman have any bearing on believing or disbelieving her?

Because it does.
As studies have shown time and again some people will think the woman had it coming and/or won't believe her because of sexism.
And gender is a key factor
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21568177
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15038882
http://www.academia.edu/9448913/Gen..._Problem_in_Spain_Attitudes_and_Acceptability

And it forms part of the problem of rape victim blaming which is why this is more than just Dusty oops, what a duffer. It is part of a wider discussion.
http://jiv.sagepub.com/content/25/11/2010.abstract.
I think I have explained why I think gender is a factor

So, as I'm a brick short of a load, can you explain to me what she has done that made her a bitch that needs to get f***ed?

 

[Tiggytigers]

i think she did mention she was threatened to be stabbed with chopsticks. she has witnesses ,the point your making is irrelevant.

Saying I'm going to füçkīñg kill you, makes the whole thing a lot more serious then just threatening to stab her with chopsticks.... Saying your going to kill someone is very serious an the police should be informed asap!

 

[This Is Anfield]

These are only my thoughts on the whole sad situation:
1. And most importantly IMO, Dustin has admitted guilt and apologised. He is in the wrong and that should be indisputable.
2. It is now up to the club and the relevant authorities to pass judgement and sentence, uncoloured by whether you love or hate Richmond.
3. Any person, male or female, should feel secure enough to approach any person they feel is being overly disruptive and anti-social, again it appears that this was how Dustin was behaving, without fear.
4. The "it's only a chopstick" defence is pretty lame, I wouldn't like a chopstick to be driven through my eye and up into my brain.
5. I've read the whole thread and some opinions have sailed pretty close to the wind. Can we agree that violence towards women, in any way, shape or form is reprehensible and should be condemned. Of course, all violence is to be condemned but violence towards women and children is particularly vile.
6. How the woman, as the aggrieved party, chose to report/deal with this issue is totally irrelevant, Dustin's behaviour is the issue. Her conduct will be judged by the relevant authorities.
7. This should be a massive turning point in Dustin Martins life, forget football, he either really learns from this or he'll spend a good part of his life behind bars or ends it tragically young, maybe that's a bit melodramatic or maybe not, but from the outside all the bad signs appear to be there. Hope not.
8. I hope the young women has no lasting traumatic effects.
9. When my young daughter finally reaches the age were she's out and about, getting too close, I want her to be safe from this type of behaviour.
10. Sermon over, sorry.

 

[Tiggytigers]

I think you will find you are asking the wrong question; what you should have asked was what was right about what you posted.

Anyway in response to your question here it goes:
You implied that a Male with Tattoos (and a shit hair cut) must be a meat head.
You implied that a a Male whilst intoxicated has a reason (and possible a pass) to be aggressive.
You also implied that a Female shouldn't be able to confront an intoxicated tattooed man unless she expects him to be aggressive in return.

Now you may not believe that these are things that should happen (because lets face it only Pond Scum would), however by you stating what does "she expect". Then you are allowing it from your perspective to be a socially accepted outcome. When clearly it is not.

That's the basic crux of what is wrong with what you posted.

True but like generally intoxicated guys aren't going to react we'll when anyone says you should quite down, it's sad but true

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Can't wait for king boof head J.Kennett to give his royal opinion about the whole affair...
Make my day...

 

[Kilmo]

Ok yeah fair enough but like if someone has threatened to kill you wouldn't that be the first thing that you would remember though and if someone is threatening to bloody kill you, go straight to the police hunny! As she still even gone there?

There are lots of reasons why assault victims don't go to the police.
Reading this thread you should get a sense why they often don't speak out at all - they are greeted with, doubt, anger, flat out denial, and in some cases more violence.

ALL of which can be found in this thread as a microcosm for the problems in society, albeit probably biased for the worse considering there is a player of a sports team involved.

Furthermore, when assaults against women are reported to police they rarely result in prosecution anyway. For example a study by the Australian Bureau of Statistics in 2010 found that only 2-3 % of allegations of assault by women turn out to be malicious and false, yet 90% do not result in prosecution due to failures in the judicial system of Australia.

We have to start to take all allegations seriously - and no, this does not infringe upon innocent until proven guilty, but we shouldn't be dismissive or angry towards the victim.

 

[TigerImposter]

legal experts correct me if i'm wrong, trying to remember from high school psych here....

...but isn't eyewitness testimony taken with a MAJOR grain of salt as it can be influenced? IIRC i think it was the hurricane johnson case where the cops manipulated the eyewitnesses. witnesses are useful in a case but the only "real" evidence we have is her statement and that 5 second video

what happened to google slacko. oh yeah unis finito now
shivers mate the world would be screwed if this was true.it needs to be reliable, now if you have a group of people(witnesses) saying this was said and happened, then you're xxxxxx

http://www.simplypsychology.org/eyewitness-testimony.html