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i agree actually - any team that relies on J.Watson as a key play-maker is doomed. spud
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i agree actually - any team that relies on J.Watson as a key play-maker is doomed. spud
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It seems with Essendon in trying to address their speed issues through the midfield they have looked at it in a pure offensive view and neglected the defensive side of the game.
Our forwards had a field day cos our midfielders werent chased and had miles of room between centre and F50.
Our forwards had a field day cos our midfielders werent chased and had miles of room between centre and F50.
hows the fishing?
So matty knights has gone from hero to villain in the space of 5 weeks then?
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Who said he was the hero?
Well after rounds 1 all you bomber fans were singing his praises.
where have you been the past month or so?
knights has publicly said about 20 times that he has only really developed half of his game plan, he said the defensive side hasnt been developed yet and that essendon is a work in progress..
can people seriously do some research so they know what they are talking about?
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this is why few people respect essendon posters on BF
you're so delusional, (but i think that is also true of many in your club management and recruiting department)
you cannot take ANY criticism of ANY of your players
david hille is a soft ruckman, yet there's people on here saying he's holding up the dons' ruck ranks on his own
that may be so, but he's soft, even josh fraser was too tough for him today, and fraser is hardly a "nails" player
your fast players are either weak or poorly skilled
and your key players, such as lloyd, mcphee and michael, are either struggling or gone
i know you're gonna say injuries
but other clubs have them and bomber fans are among the first to slag other clubs when injuries are used as an excuse
i am not here to simply slag the bombers but a lot of you on BF need to face reality and, as of round 6 2008, the reality is your side is not good enough, your coach is showing his experience and a lot of your individual players (winderlich, ramanauskas, brave as he's been) are not up to senior standard
collingwood, also not at full strength, smashed you today, and are headed in the right direction
they will be among the few genuine challengers to geelong in september
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I don't think so, the Pies still have a while to go yet, they're a promising team but still a young one. They haven't beaten anyone of note this year.
Which weeks are they expected to play well then
Why do you ignore the facts. You mentioned Hille and some others but you were completely off the mark.
You mentioned Stanton should be playing better and he should but if you compare him to alot of his peers like Adcock he's doing just fine.
Why is it necessary to compare Stanton and Adcock too prove your point as its got nothing to do with the topic at hand. I was only highlighting the fact that many of your young players in your so called best 22 arnt good enough yet as they have limited experience and arnt expected to shine every week whilst some of your more experienced players arnt pulling their weight which is a fact over the 1st 6 weeks of the year.Take off your Essendon goggles and see your side for what it really is
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Is that all you do on here - generalise an entire population on a few people?
Read my post properly.
Hang on, what was delusional about it? I indicated we were shithouse. Even Shithouse for the quality of team that we could manage to put on the park. I just also pointed out that Collingwood will not challenge if their skills don't improve. And if we cared about respect from people like you, we need to be shot. Credit to Collingwood, they were far to good, but be real aout their skill errors. Second half was good, but some of their skills were shocking, just no where near as shocking as ours.
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can we please define best 22?
i always thought it was players who are guarrenteed a spot bar shocking form/injury/suspension, not everyone that occasionally gets a run.
i always thought it was players who are guarrenteed a spot bar shocking form/injury/suspension, not everyone that occasionally gets a run.
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Oh No!! PLease lets not be blinkered about this. Too many floating handballs, miskicks, and nobody wanting to get stuck-in. No good blaming one man. They needed someone to play like James Hird or Mark McVeigh. (Sorry about spelling). To be honest, I think we need a coach who would go ballistic and apeshyte at these guys.
The only real antagonistic action I saw was the two Collingwood guys up in P26 section of the members stand getting ready to punch each others' lights out.
What is with Courtney Johns.......one of the worst footballers in the comp!. Can't play back, can't play forward, just plain can't play!!!!
Essendon look good in patches but get let down by their bottom 5 or so players in the 22 who are just not up to it!
Essendon look good in patches but get let down by their bottom 5 or so players in the 22 who are just not up to it!
Knights is feeling quite at home at the moment. He has had a life time of losing so he has brought his special talents to the Bombers
Next step, finish 9th
Next step, finish 9th
I wish there was a great answer to that very simple question.
I don't understand it either. Has had some good games at Bendigo, I guess the need for another tall forward, saw him rewarded with what I hope to hell, is is last chance. THough with Fletch down now, he may luck out and get a couple more.
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As much as I thought it was an absolute farce that Knights got the gig over Hardwick, you can't blame Knights for what is essentially Sheedy's ____ up and a massive injury list.
For all the flack Carlton got from the infamous Elliott quote about never rebuilding. Essendon never really bottomed out, especially when they've had a golden opportunity to do so over the past 5 years. Over those 5 years, it's been obvious to Blind Freddy that there was going to be a massive gap once Fletcher, Hird, Lloyd, Lucas, Michael all retired within probably 3 years of each other.
This problem has only been heightened by an unnerving reliance on mid-range players with very little upside to them (Hille, McVeigh, Stanton, Macphee, Watson), in that they'll always be walk up starts to your best 22, but are never going to take that next step forward and be competition elite players/match winners. Throw in that senior players like Heffernan/Blumfield/Moorcroft/Caracella/Solomon/Johnson/Bradley, etc. have been given away for basically nothing (unfair comparison on the salary cap forced ones I know), but the bigger problem there was the unwillingness to have faith in one particular player to fill these spots vacated (Monfries, Slattery, Dyson, Winderlich, etc. all often in and out of the team).
Yes, Essendon won 10 matches last year, but a lot of them were under 12 points, and off the backs of heroic last quarter efforts from Hird/Lucas.
A lot can also be looked it in terms of lazy recruiting, in terms of hyping players up in terms of their marketability (unfortunately, read: indigenous players or Bachar Houli), ahead of their actual performances/what they have to offer. Although it's been unfortunate for them that Gumbleton has yet to really show what he can offer.
An Essendon supporting friend of mine made an interesting comment last weekend before the injury, in saying that in 5 years time, Alwyn Davey will be their best player. That says a lot.
I hope Knights is given at least 2 years to be judged on his own merits, rather than Sheedy's laziness/lack of foresight. Unfortunately, I can't see it happening if things start to go pear shaped.
For all the flack Carlton got from the infamous Elliott quote about never rebuilding. Essendon never really bottomed out, especially when they've had a golden opportunity to do so over the past 5 years. Over those 5 years, it's been obvious to Blind Freddy that there was going to be a massive gap once Fletcher, Hird, Lloyd, Lucas, Michael all retired within probably 3 years of each other.
This problem has only been heightened by an unnerving reliance on mid-range players with very little upside to them (Hille, McVeigh, Stanton, Macphee, Watson), in that they'll always be walk up starts to your best 22, but are never going to take that next step forward and be competition elite players/match winners. Throw in that senior players like Heffernan/Blumfield/Moorcroft/Caracella/Solomon/Johnson/Bradley, etc. have been given away for basically nothing (unfair comparison on the salary cap forced ones I know), but the bigger problem there was the unwillingness to have faith in one particular player to fill these spots vacated (Monfries, Slattery, Dyson, Winderlich, etc. all often in and out of the team).
Yes, Essendon won 10 matches last year, but a lot of them were under 12 points, and off the backs of heroic last quarter efforts from Hird/Lucas.
A lot can also be looked it in terms of lazy recruiting, in terms of hyping players up in terms of their marketability (unfortunately, read: indigenous players or Bachar Houli), ahead of their actual performances/what they have to offer. Although it's been unfortunate for them that Gumbleton has yet to really show what he can offer.
An Essendon supporting friend of mine made an interesting comment last weekend before the injury, in saying that in 5 years time, Alwyn Davey will be their best player. That says a lot.
I hope Knights is given at least 2 years to be judged on his own merits, rather than Sheedy's laziness/lack of foresight. Unfortunately, I can't see it happening if things start to go pear shaped.
Firstly, it's about 7-8 out of 22 (Lucas, McVeigh, Jetta, Dempsey, Davey, Lonergan & Gumbleton with Heath Hocking also earmarked for a major role before injury hit him).
You're totally right that other teams have had similar number of injuries but I think it's crucial to note:
1) 3 are probably in our 5 most important (Lucas, McVeigh, Davey).
2) Our defensive pressure has been severely impacted by the loss of 5 of these 8
I have not been anywhere near as angry as some Bombers supporters the past few weeks because I honestly believe we're a better team than what has been on show in the past couple of weeks. I stand to be corrected on this but for me, this was a promising 10-12 win season that has been totally derailed by some rotten luck.
I also agree that depth-wise, we aren't quite there but that can be put down to the immense cleanout that has taken place over the last 2-3 seasons. The kinds look good to me and in a year or two, it should hopefully all click into pace.
THat Pears looks promising though. Still - I bet Knights is looking forward to the Melbourne game because that's all I can see them winning over the next few weeks.
God, Im not. Not on that display. Though we should start getting players back. If we play that poorly though, the Dees will do us too.
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