Essendon sign Mal Michael

[ant555]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

Regardless there should be a process in place for this not to occur...it goes against the grain IMO.

I dont think that there will need to be a process in place. I think the clubs will be smarter in the future and place a clause in the release to protect themselves from these sort of situations. Lets face it for every player who could be using it as a devious way to get out of a contract there can just as easily be a genuine case where a player made the wrong choice. Given the AFL are pretty much on quicksand as far as challenges to the draft system i dont think they will be making too many more rules that could be considered a restraint of trade if challenged.
The clubs on the other hand can easily say yes we will let you out of your contract if you sign this agreement that you cant play AFL footy for the duration of the contract you are voiding.

 

[hawk65]

How is a player allowed to sign a contract with a team when he hasn't been in the pre season draft yet. Granted it is unlikely carlton will take him however they must still have the oppurtunity.

 

[skilts]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

There is no need for proof, he just shouldn't be allowed to play for a year which was left on his contract...I am not saying you guy's set it up I am saying the rules shouldn't allow it to occur.....I notice you didn't reply to the Spida statement?

Right, so you prevent a bloke from earning his living even though you have no proof that he's done anything illegal, or broken a non-existent contract.

Just because the nuff-nuff Everitt chooses to conduct what is laughingly called his life in a certain way, are you suggesting this is the only way in which a life may be conducted?

You are basically saying that there should have been a rule aganst this. If Brisbane had not been so dumb, maybe the situation wouldn't have arisen. But in your eyes, SOMEBODY should have forseen this and to protect your sensitivities the shold have done something about it. What did you do about it?

What I want to know is, where in all of this is the sympathy to the real losers in this situation? What about poor old Nilma-Darnum? Nobody seems to give a toss about them.

 

[*Danni*]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

The point im trying to make is If he truly wanted to retire he would not have wanted to play football again which is the meaning of retire.Why make a decision to retire when you are still not sure what you want to do all im saying is he should have thought about it alittle longer instead of saying I am retiring only to come back after a month and play with another team.

How many people give up smoking then start again?

Horses for courses. What you think you are ready for and make your decisions accordingly have a chance of not being what you were really ready for and you start up again. Human, not robots, not property that we own. Human.

 

[The Kipster]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

I dont think that there will need to be a process in place. I think the clubs will be smarter in the future and place a clause in the release to protect themselves from these sort of situations. Lets face it for every player who could be using it as a devious way to get out of a contract there can just as easily be a genuine case where a player made the wrong choice. Given the AFL are pretty much on quicksand as far as challenges to the draft system i dont think they will be making too many more rules that could be considered a restraint of trade if challenged.
The clubs on the other hand can easily say yes we will let you out of your contract if you sign this agreement that you cant play AFL footy for the duration of the contract you are voiding.

Agree

 

[Tim the Toolman]

For all those Brissy supporters who feel hard done by, all I can say is you guys had him at his prime. He was a part of 3 premierships. He helped enjoy them with you, but was also hands on in delivering them. Dont forget that.

Shall be interesting to see what happens next!

Most common sense comment I've heard all day. It's hardly like he's going to help the Bombers win a premiership. As much as I loved him and rated him as a player, Mal did have a shocker for us this year and I've moved on.

 

[The Kipster]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

Right, so you prevent a bloke from earning his living even though you have no proof that he's done anything illegal, or broken a non-existent contract.

Just because the nuff-nuff Everitt chooses to conduct what is laughingly called his life in a certain way, are you suggesting this is the only way in which a life may be conducted?

You are basically saying that there should have been a rule aganst this. If Brisbane had not been so dumb, maybe the situation wouldn't have arisen. But in your eyes, SOMEBODY should have forseen this and to protect your sensitivities the shold have done something about it. What did you do about it?

What I want to know is, where in all of this is the sympathy to the real losers in this situation? What about poor old Nilma-Darnum? Nobody seems to give a toss about them.

He agreed to a contract with Brisy (he signed it, him and only him) therefore this year he is Brisbanes...if he chooses to stay out of the game then so be it....and he is a free agent in 08...

 

[skilts]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

He agreed to a contract with Brisy (he signed it, him and only him) therefore this year he is Brisbanes...if he chooses to stay out of the game then so be it....and he is a free agent in 08...

No contract exists.

 

[one_twelve112]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

How many people give up smoking then start again?

Horses for courses. What you think you are ready for and make your decisions accordingly have a chance of not being what you were really ready for and you start up again. Human, not robots, not property that we own. Human.

Thank god you're not running the country if you act so impulsively. You would be doing more backflips than Nadia Comanichi depending on which side of the bed you woke up on.

 

[The Kipster]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

No contract exists.

he still signed one saying he would play with Brisy until the end of 07....a nice earner too I would of thought...don't you think they would be miffed at the way it has occured?

I mean for all reasons he may or may not of crafted this but he shouldn't be allowed to play with the Dons in 07...

 

[1jasonoz]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

No contract exists.

If he had the contract for next year terminated early by informing Brisbane he wished to retire from football, and hasn't actually retired, then the Lions could rightly apply to the courts for remedies against Mal.

 

[ant555]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

You sound like the type of person that would say "yes i'll be there at 2:30pm to pick you up, or yes, I'll take the job, i'll be there on Monday" and not turn up because you had a 'change of heart' and think it's ok because you made a 'mistake'. Thankfully I don't employ/have friends like you.....

This sort of proves my point. If you in fact knew me you would know that nothing is further from the truth. I hate late. I am the bloke who if he says i will pick you up at 2.30 then i will be there at 2.10. I dont really care if you are thankfull you havnt employed me as all the employers (all 3 of them over 26 years) i have had have been thankfull. I could say i am thankfull i dont know you as you have just made a huge judgment on a person based on a few lines on an internet forum.
You really need to look at what i have written all the way through
I am not arguing the case that if he conspired to do it it is not wrong. My point is everyone just seems to dismiss that it could be he made a mistake in judgment and not had some sort of huge underhand plan in place.

 

[*Danni*]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

If he had the contract for next year terminated early by informing Brisbane he wished to retire from football, and hasn't actually retired, then the Lions could rightly apply to the courts for remedies against Mal.

The contract expried on 31 October, unless it was some sort of deal like the Voss one where he is a listed player for next year but won't play, and there is no evidence of that. The terms under which the contract expired in Oct 06 instead of the original Oct 07 is what will come into play here.

 

[UpTheGuts]

SEN saying that Dons claim they first contacted MM on Nov2, almost a month after the Brisbane contract was ended and AFL have confirmed there was no reason why MM could not nominate for the PSD...

so, let's move on shall we?

 

[1jasonoz]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

The contract expried on 31 October, unless it was some sort of deal like the Voss one where he is a listed player for next year but won't play, and there is no evidence of that. The terms under which the contract expired in Oct 06 instead of the original Oct 07 is what will come into play here.

Thats the important section of the argument, what statements where made during the negotiations to have the contract end on the 31st of Oct 2006.

 

[Big Scottknowsall]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

Get stuffed Brisbane. He never retired. Your club forced him into retirement when you didnt allow him to alter his lifestyle a little bit. Essendon will let him do that so I cant see why he wouldnt join them.

Brisbane really have the poorest man managers in the land. A disgrace especially if they stop him from joining Essendon. Talk about stabbing a club great in the back

Well put Embers - thats sums it up for mine I can't believe Im agreeing with you !!!!

 

[*Danni*]

SEN saying that Dons claim they first contacted MM on Nov2, almost a month after the Brisbane contract was ended and AFL have confirmed there was no reason why MM could not nominate for the PSD...

so, let's move on shall we?

November 2 is only 2 days after the contract expired. It may be a month after the announcement of retirement, but only 2 days after the expiration.

 

[still chasing amy]

If you're so upset Brisbane fans don't worry we'll trade him back to you next year. Second round pick ok?

 

[The Kipster]

^^^ funny

 

[Punter]

Mal's contract ended at the start of October, the bombers talked to him nearly a month after it had expired - SEN.

 

[Smokin]

Brisbane legally, cant expect much here. They are lying in a bed they made.

If I am working for somebody under contract, and for any reason at all that is terminated, UNLESS my employer specifically has me under contract for not working for, or starting up a competing business for X years, I can do what I like.

There are provisions in law to protect Brisbane in this case, however their legal team was either too inempt, or truly trusted Mal, and didnt use it. Their loss.

Besides, Mal will claim he wanted to re-negotiate his contract (terms) in relation to training, and Brisbane said no, effecitvely meaning he couldnt play for them. They then both mutually agreed to terminate. It wasnt just for retirment, Brisbane KNEW he was keen to play under revised conditions.

It's all Brisbane's loss Im afraid.

 

[Silvagnis]

Re: Essendon sign Mal Michaels

God you speak some crap.
When did Essendon first speak to Michael?

If it's after he retired, it's not draft tampering. Nor is it illegal.

Were the other 15 clubs aware of Michael's decision to come out of retirement to enter the PSD as an uncontracted player?

If the other clubs were aware of this then there may have been a few Vic clubs chasing his services and the Lions would have received something in exchange for a contracted player. That's the system the AFL have in place for ensuring an even competition and this was a way of getting around that to gain the services of a senior player. If he is nominating Carlton and every other club should have had the chance to get him in a trade or in the PSD. The AFL won't do jack here because they don't have the balls to hit Essendon with sanctions.

If he gets away with this it has the potential to compromise the drafts and the AFL might be giving a signal that free agency is on the way.

 

[UpTheGuts]

November 2 is only 2 days after the contract expired. It may be a month after the announcement of retirement, but only 2 days after the expiration.

Unless the entire contract was rescinded by mutual agreement in early October with immediate effect, as reported.

 

[*Danni*]

Mal's contract ended at the start of October, the bombers talked to him nearly a month after it had expired - SEN.

So now we have one player in the league, and the history of the league under these contractual arrangements that is diffferent to everyone else? I don't think so.

His retirement announcement was at the begninning of October. That is the indication that no continuation of his current contract will be happening. The AFL fiscal year and contractual year runs 1 November to 31 October. The contract was valid till 31 October. No more, no less. Just because his intent was known and confirmed early October doesn't mean his contract was up - well it could have been if he didn't agree to paid for October I suppoe and forfeited all financial and medical and holiday and risk management rights I suppose, but to date, it is unheard of that happening.

 

[1jasonoz]

Brisbane legally, cant expect much here. They are lying in a bed they made.

If I am working for somebody under contract, and for any reason at all that is terminated, UNLESS my employer specifically has me under contract for not working for, or starting up a competing business for X years, I can do what I like.

There are provisions in law to protect Brisbane in this case, however their legal team was either too inempt, or truly trusted Mal, and didnt use it. Their loss.

Besides, Mal will claim he wanted to re-negotiate his contract (terms) in relation to training, and Brisbane said no, effecitvely meaning he couldnt play for them. They then both mutually agreed to terminate. It wasnt just for retirment, Brisbane KNEW he was keen to play under revised conditions.

It's all Brisbane's loss Im afraid.

There are so many mistakes in this im not sure where to start!