Essendon V Carlton With Live Chat - Round 11 2013

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Essendon: Essendon struggled against Sydney in wet conditions, going in with one too many key position players in most people's opinions, but there were a few positives like Stanton's 36 possession games, Jake Carlisle's influence at both ends of the ground and Heath Hocking's job on Daniel Hannebery, but a lack of forward structure was evident

Carlton: Thrashed a hapless GWS outfit but let a Callan Ward off the leash with no Andrew Carrazzo, and that may concern Mick Malthouse with Essendon having 4 or 5 players at a similar quality or higher than Ward. Lachie Henderson is showing promise as a key forward for the blues as well, but the fact that they're playing 3 small forwards, none of whom push up into the midfield, may hamper the blues

Previous encounters: Essendon 1-3 Carlton (1 draw)

Past 5 matches

Essendon: W-L-L-W-L
Carlton: W-L-W-W-W
Essendon forward line vs Carlton defence


Interesting duel. Carlton have generally struggled with sides that have gone in with three tall forwards as one for the most part has gotten away from them with Vickery against Richmond, Hawkins against Geelong, Otten against Adelaide spring to mind, but Essendon's forward line hasn't, well, functioned. It'll be important for Essendon to shut down the run and carry from Walker, who is probably leading Carlton's B+F count right now.

midfield battle (rucks included)

Where the game is won and lost. Both boast an impressive midfield group on paper, but it's how they work that's important. Essendon have the big bodies in Watson, Howlett, Myers, Hocking, Goddard and co, but Carlton have the speed on the outside with Armfield, Lucas, Gibbs and Simpson, so it's interesting if Essendon try to win the game like they did last year by trying to "beat up" the Carlton midfield

Carlton forward line vs Essendon defence

Carlton are interesting in the way that they play 5 "pure" forwards as well as their second ruckmen, and this could make things easier for the bombers as they thoroughly smashed a side with similar sort of structure in St. Kilda. Baguley and Hibberd will be important in shutting Betts and Garlett down, and either Hardingham or Browne on Yarran. If a side can contain those three to 4 goals or less they're half way to beating Carlton

X-Factor player

Essendon's X-Factor for this week is David Zaharakis. He's fast, smart and has been in career best form so far this season. This guy can break open a game and is just playing pure football at the moment, and has been as good a recruit as Goddard from the second half of 2012.

Levi Casboult is my pick as the X-Factor for the blues. He's a big lump of a lad, entering his 4th season at Carlton and should really be starting to hit his straps as a player. He could be the key forward Carlton are hoping for to really get them into contention

Key stats for each side


Essendon:
Contested Possessions. Carlton are 1st in CP differential for 2013 and Essendon 3rd, but Essendon can't let Carlton get it on the outside to Gibbs and Simpson
Effective disposals. Essendon average the highest Effective disposals differential in the AFL. Can't let the small forwards of Carlton to pressure them too much
Carlton:
Disposal efficiency. Essendon have been the #1 scoring side in the AFL from turnovers so Carlton can't let them do that
Contested Marks. Carlton average the second fewest Contested marks in the AFL and strong contested marks are crucial to a side
Thanks to eth-dog
 
Our rivalry was born when Sheedy moved from Richmond to Essendon in 1981, taking his renowned hatred of all things Navy Blue along with him. Sheedy was the architect of many rivalries, notably Richmond with the Dreamtime at the 'G game, and Collingwood with the ANZAC Day clash. But no other rivalry has ended up playing out on the big Finals stage like this rivalry has.

His 'Baby Bombers' stole the precious from us on the last Saturday in September 1993. And after that, we vowed to hates them forever.

We returned the favour in 1999, by 1! One glorious point. No small thanks to the face of Souvlaki Hut, and one supremely ferocious tackle courtesy of one Mr Fraser 'Leroy' Brown. "You'd wanna be on the Blues now!"

Proving the gargantuan stature of this rivalry are the historical results. This is no manufactured seat filler. This is the real deal.

32 Premierships won: 16 Carlton, 16 Essendon.
6 Grand Finals contested between the two clubs: 3 wins Carlton, 3 wins Essendon.
20 Finals contested: 10 wins Carlton, 10 wins Essendon.
217 clashes during the regular season. 111 wins Carlton, 101 wins Essendon, 5 draws.
116 years of sheer unadulterated VFL/AFL rivalry.

And so, after our brief trip in the Delorean, we arrive back to the future - and the future, ladies and gentlemen, is football.
Pound for pound, and as much as it pains me to say it, the teams are evenly matched in many areas.

The Goddard effect is in play - he has improved the quality of this side immensely, relegating players like Melksham to being part of the depth chart rather than central cogs in the team. Gumbleton is finally taking strides to becoming a reliable and effective forward target. Bellchambers has taken his ruck work to a new level over the last year and a half. Carlisle is in AA contention after taking some huge scalps and most importantly has rarely had his colours lowered this season. As for Jobe - nothing more to say here. He's a bona fide champion of the game now.

For the Blues, Walker is in career best form creating drive of half back and influencing the play. Waite is in and back to his damaging best, allowing the Triumvirate of Awesome in Betts, Garlett and Yarran to wreak havoc on opposition defensive lines. Garlett has taken great strides this year, and has become one of our most consistent performers.

Key inclusions, or players I feel might be important

Carrazzo is a must for this game - Carlton are a significantly better side with him in the engine room. Hocking will blanket Murphy, rotating to Judd if he threatens to influence the game. Carrots is an essential inclusion to return the favour and limit the effectiveness of Watson or Zaharakis. But at this stage it is highly doubtful he will be fit enough to play, denting our chances of winning the crucial midfield battle.

Hurley will likely be included should he prove his fitness, but if Gumbleton has a day out against Sydney it will be a difficult decision for the Essendon match committee. Essendon's list management team will struggle to keep Gumbleton, Hurley, Ryder and Daniher on the same playing roster in the long term.

How it will play out, or what I reckon will happen

Without Carrazzo, the result will rest on the shoulders of an inexperienced engine room. Look for Curnow to go with Stanton and Cachia to sit on Watson or Zaharakis. Both teams are guaranteed to lift for this clash, and literally anything is possible.

Essendon's drive off half back must be nullified, and of all teams in the competition we have the ability to not only restrict them but to score a significant victory in this area. Eddie will be cherry ripe and hungry, Yarran will have some run in his legs, and Jeff will relish having the band back together.

Essendon's tall targets will need to contribute significantly to a winning score. Crameri poses a big threat to us and White will have his work cut out for him to contain his influence on the outcome.
Thanks to Azzurro

Essendon
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B: Mark Baguley, Dustin Fletcher, Michael Hibberd
HB: Brendon Goddard, Cale Hooker, Dyson Heppell
C: Brent Stanton, Jobe Watson, Ben Howlett
HF: Jake Melksham, Michael Hurley, Alwyn Davey
F: David Zaharaki, Joe Daniher, Nick Kommer
Foll: Patrick Ryder, David Myers, Heath Hocking
Int: Will Hams, Jake Carlisle, Stewart Crameri, Jason Winderlich
Emerg: Tom Bellchambers, Leroy Jetta, Kyle Hardingham
In: A.Davey, B.Howlett, M.Hurley, J.Daniher
Out: C.Dempsey (ribs), L.Jetta, S.Gumbleton (ankle), T.Bellchambers

Carlton
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B: Mitch Robinson, Michael Jamison, Lachie Henderson
HB: Zach Tuohy, Dennis Armfield, Simon White
C: Chris Yarran, Chris Judd, Kade Simpson
HF: Ed Curnow, Andrew Walker, Jeff Garlett
F: Brock McLean, Jarrad Waite, Matthew Kreuzer
Foll: Levi Casboult, Marc Murphy, Heath Scotland
Int: Bryce Gibbs, Kane Lucas, Eddie Betts, Jaryd Cachia
Emerg: Josh Bootsma, Troy Menzel, Sam Rowe
In: C.Judd, E.Betts, K.Lucas
Out: T.Menzel, T.Bell, J.Bootsma
 

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walker either being undercooked or out has swayed me.

we're missing our biggest catalyst out of the back half, if they lose theirs then I think it evens it up much more.

Tipping us with very little confidence
 
Massive game this, i'm tipping Carlton, i'm thinking the Bombers are on the way down and Blues might be on the way up, i've been burnt a few times thinking that of the Bombers though.
 
I think the tougher opposition we've faced this year will hold us in good stead, and when the game heats up I think we'll be able to respond, whereas I'm not entirely sure about Carlton.

Essendon by 19 points.
 
Essendon are missing Dempsey and arguably Bellchambers from their best side

Carlton are missing Carrazzo, but also have injury clouds over Judd, Walker and Murphy. If Walker is out it's a big win for Essendon as they'd either have to send Yarran into defence and bring in Menzel to replace Yarran forward or bring in Bootsma- either it means that they lose drive from their back third or they lose accountability in the back third.

Essendon by 24
 
walker either being undercooked or out has swayed me.

we're missing our biggest catalyst out of the back half, if they lose theirs then I think it evens it up much more.

Tipping us with very little confidence
Where have you got this Walker thing from? :confused:
 
Where have you got this Walker thing from? :confused:

Several Carlton posters said in our preview thread that he pinged his hammy at training yesterday apparently
 
Several Carlton posters said in our preview thread that he pinged his hammy at training yesterday apparently
Ahh interesting. I dont think we have heard anything out of the club.

If that was true, why would we name him in the side later that day? :confused:
 

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Robert Walls has blown smoke up our ass on The Age this morning, talking premierships and all.

Put the house on Essendon as every time he does this we go down with a very inept performance. The bloke is the kiss of death for us.
 
Robert Walls has blown smoke up our arse on The Age this morning, talking premierships and all.

Put the house on Essendon as every time he does this we go down with a very inept performance. The bloke is the kiss of death for us.

Yep. Why he does this is beyond me.
Really cannot wait for tonight. If the game lives up to the hype, it will be a ripper!
 
It's one of those nights where the neutrals are probably going to end up happier than anyone else.

Both teams are under-manned coming in.

Then there is the build-up from the Essendon viewpoint of it being the club's 140th anniversary match - not to mention how nervous Daniher would be feeling.

Daniher becomes the 6th member of his family to represent Essendon in 40 years.

Pumped up believe me.

Essendon by 6 points.
 
Currently showing the 2006 clash on Fox Footy (in other words, the Bryce Gibbs Cup).

Watch it if you're in the mood for some no-ducking, no diving football with some awful skills from both teams.
 
Maybe Curnow might go to Watson instead of Stanton? It seems to big of a job for Cachia to be left in charge of Watson. I think if the conditions are greasy it will be imperative that Carlton control Watson. Swans did it last week and it paid off while letting Stanton run around freely.
Bombers by 23
 
Maybe Curnow might go to Watson instead of Stanton? It seems to big of a job for Cachia to be left in charge of Watson. I think if the conditions are greasy it will be imperative that Carlton control Watson. Swans did it last week and it paid off while letting Stanton run around freely.
Bombers by 23

I've been saying this all week, but i'd give Gibbs first crack at Watson. You'll never completely keep Watson out of the game, but if you can nulify him, you go a long way to beating Essendon. And Gibbs has done negating roles previously on Pendlebury and Goodes. And when Watson pushes forward, Gibbs can go with him.

I'd send Curnow to Stanton.
 
I tipped a freo swannies draw. I think this could be a very similar outcome. Margin should be no more than 10 points. Hopefully it's a cracker
 
The weather report indicates the showers will ease and the MCG surface handles downpours OK I think? I reckon it will be cold in the stands though! Looking forward to this, should be a great game to watch as a neutral.
 
I have a really weird feeling about this game. The winner will win by about 10 goals, but I genuinely have no idea who it will be. Could easily be either team.

If Carlton get their fast, running game going, then I don't think Essendon have the players to stop them or even cope with it.

Conversely, if the Bombers big men get the upper hand, they should easily account for us.

Either way, can't wait.
 

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