FA Compo: What Gives?

[WillieNillie]

People dont realise but it only takes into account your base salary. So if Brandon Ellis gets 5 years 3 mill but 1 mill is based on games played and performance then in actuality his compo is based on 5 year 2 mill hence the 2nd round pick

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Free agency should not penalise the club he was playing at, all the work and money they have invested in that player and they don’t receive his value back is a stupid system.
When a player reaches FA time I have no issue him exercising his right to wanting to go to another club, but he should not hold all the power.
In the latest instance with Ellis Richmond should be able to set the price, they should be able to say to the player we respect your right to FA but this is what we want for you so feel free to find a club that will pay that or be close to that.
If we are so adamant players should have all the rights then let them just play for who they want to play for to start with.

 

[BG__]

There shouldn't even be 'compensation' imo, the whole system is stupid. Some of the picks for certain players have been ridiculous, either way too low or way too high.

Should just be like the NBA. If your player is a restricted free agent and you want some sort of compensation match the offer and force some sort trade. If your player is going to be an unrestricted free agent trade them a year or two early if you think they'll walk. If they're unrestricted and just walk and you get nothing, tough luck.

 

[Marcel Proust]

There shouldn't even be 'compensation' imo, the whole system is stupid. Some of the picks for certain players have been ridiculous, either way too low or way too high.

Should just be like the NBA. If your player is a restricted free agent and you want some sort of compensation match the offer and force some sort trade. If your player is going to be an unrestricted free agent trade them a year or two early if you think they'll walk. If they're unrestricted and just walk and you get nothing, tough luck.

the nba seems to value having fair and equal rules

the afl wants to stop the top clubs winning against under their maxist ideals

 

[PetterdHoisted]

There shouldn't even be 'compensation' imo, the whole system is stupid. Some of the picks for certain players have been ridiculous, either way too low or way too high.

Should just be like the NBA. If your player is a restricted free agent and you want some sort of compensation match the offer and force some sort trade. If your player is going to be an unrestricted free agent trade them a year or two early if you think they'll walk. If they're unrestricted and just walk and you get nothing, tough luck.

Certainly while there is whim-of-the-AFL compensation, the whole concept of Free Agency is compromised.

I talk about Ellis kicking up a fuss, where is the Players Association following this latest debacle?

Geelong would be crazy not to nudge players towards FA deals knowing they are on a good wicket re. AFL compensation, Tigers the opposite.

Free agency less and less free, and it's one of the AFLPA's babies so where is the noise?

 

[Lolbert]

Certainly while there is whim-of-the-AFL compensation, the whole concept of Free Agency is compromised.

I talk about Ellis kicking up a fuss, where is the Players Association following this latest debacle?

Geelong would be crazy not to nudge players towards FA deals knowing they are on a good wicket re. AFL compensation, Tigers the opposite.

Free agency less and less free, and it's one of the AFLPA's babies so where is the noise?

How is FA less free? Not arguing, just educating myself

 

[PetterdHoisted]

How is FA less free? Not arguing, just educating myself

Well FA means the player decides their future without being influenced/restricted, in the broadest sense?

Ellis for example loves Richmond but is leaving to secure his future. He wouldn't want to see Richmond shafted 18 draft picks down the list compared to an identical deal last year. He would be gutted to think he has unwittingly had a role in penalising the Tigers relative to a direct premiership rival in WCE.

Brando's deal is done and dusted of course, but the next player that loves their club but wants to leave must now be wary of the same arbitrary under-compensation. So it gives them pause for thought re. FA.

They are restricted by loyalty to their former club and suspicion of Non-transparent AFL compensation scheme.

 

[Struggle]

Compo should be based off of the contract being offered by the team the player is leaving

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Compensation is bulls**t. Not having to pay the player is compensation.

That only works if you get rid of the 85% minimum

Richmond was bogged down for years with overpriced contracts we had to give to ensure we stayed above the 85%. Melbourne and to a degree North are dealing with similar shit now.

Free agency should be open and clean free agency with no compo, but clubs should be allowed to floor their salary payments when they don't have the talent worthy of it.

Good luck getting the aflpa onboard though, they have the best of both worlds right now

 

[captain blood 17]

like play The grand final at the mcg

Like having Cola and an academy? Enjoy yelling at clouds for the next however many years.

 

[The King!]

Like having Cola and an academy? Enjoy yelling at clouds for the next however many years.

well we dont have cola and we all have academies

enjoy your massive leg up

 

[captain blood 17]

well we dont have cola and we all have academies

enjoy your massive leg up

Not all clubs have academies and you lost Cola when your club decided to flaunt it and sign buddy (when your premiership window was way open) and be able to have extra salary cap space to retain your list.
So welcome to the rest of us, and enjoy your leg up with your academy.

 

[DerpWerls]

People dont realise but it only takes into account your base salary. So if Brandon Ellis gets 5 years 3 mill but 1 mill is based on games played and performance then in actuality his compo is based on 5 year 2 mill hence the 2nd round pick

That is an interesting point, although doesn't change the OP comparison with Lycett and Motlop.

 

[Sector 7G]

That only works if you get rid of the 85% minimum

Richmond was bogged down for years with overpriced contracts we had to give to ensure we stayed above the 85%. Melbourne and to a degree North are dealing with similar s**t now.

Free agency should be open and clean free agency with no compo, but clubs should be allowed to floor their salary payments when they don't have the talent worthy of it.

Good luck getting the aflpa onboard though, they have the best of both worlds right now

Clubs front load contract to meet the 85%. Which works well until players realise that they have to take a big pay cut in their final years and then changing clubs seems like a good idea, especially if you have gambling debts.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Clubs front load contract to meet the 85%. Which works well until players realise that they have to take a big pay cut in their final years and then changing clubs seems like a good idea, especially if you have gambling debts.

Yeah, that's ****ed us a few times too

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Buddy for 19 is the biggest rort. Using that as a measuring stick, every single compo pick ever has been way overs

The AFL is a disgrace - corruption of the highest order. How can any player have resulted in a higher comp than Buddy for 9 years on $1m a year?

 

[PetterdHoisted]

How can we ever know if Motlops FA was genuinely his own agency when it was so publicly linked with the AFL/Geelong engineering of Ablett back to KP?

It stinks.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Compo should be based off of the contract being offered by the team the player is leaving

No it should be based on your value, Dangerfield should of resulted in a top 3 pick to the Crows for example. FA or not player movement should always be for their full value.

 

[HTT]

The AFL is a disgrace - corruption of the highest order. How can any player have resulted in a higher comp than Buddy for 9 years on $1m a year?

Unfortunately it’s their stupid rule where you can only get a pick after your actual pick in that round. If you’d won the spoon that year, you’d have gotten pick 2.

I’m not sure what the current system actually includes but if there’s going to be compensation picks, it should be based entirely on the player, not the club they are leaving.

Every draft pick already has a points value, why not use that framework? Every FA should have a points value based on whatever factors they want, and this should be published as early as possible, before the FA period starts. Then add points based on the offer made to the player. Wherever the points value then fits in the scheme of things, that's where the pick is.

As an example, player X is deemed to have a base value of 570 points. Then he's offered a 3 year deal worth a total of $1.3m, which is worth 390pts. The compensation pick then has a value of 960pts. Provisionally, this is between the value of pick 18 (985pts) and pick 19 (948pts), so it slots into pick 19. For the sake of bids, its worth 960pts, and all further picks retain the same points value, they just get bumped in the order.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Scott Lycett takes a 5 year 600k a year deal and the Eagles get an end of first round pick. Motlop takes a 4 year, 550k a year deal and the Cats get an end of first.

Today Brandon Ellis takes 5 years for 600k a year and the Tigers get pick 39. Cam Ellis Yolmen who has played 39 games in 8 years nets the Crows pick 46.

WTF? If you’re going to have compensation which I think is ridiculous (but that’s for another thread), how about some consistency in how it is awarded?

The Ellis one is just one example. There’s been other examples of the AFl clearly making it up as they go. The pick the Cats got couldn’t have been a more blatant move by the AFL to allow the Cats to get Ablett back.

Never seen a sports league make up things as they go like the AFL does. It’s so unprofessional.

I think they were just shy in points due to the revised TPP? Ellis was offered approx. $500k py, for 5 years. That falls just short of the salary bracket (at that contract length) for the points required for band 2 compo.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

No it should be based on your value, Dangerfield should of resulted in a top 3 pick to the Crows for example. FA or not player movement should always be for their full value.

Whilst I agree, there needs to be standardised metrics for assessing value.

Likewise, this may tilt in favour of successful teams.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Whilst I agree, there needs to be standardised metrics for assessing value.

Likewise, this may tilt in favour of successful teams.

would be so much easier to get rid of compo...

would look far more clean too

 

[NOBBYS]

Get rid of compo picks the strong get stronger the weak getter weaker.
Not sure why any ones complaining.
Ellis is worth pick 39 nothing more nothing less.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Get rid of compo picks the strong get stronger the weak getter weaker.
Not sure why any ones complaining.
Ellis is worth pick 39 nothing more nothing less.

the afl could keep giving priority picks which is essentially the same thing

the point isnt what ellis is worth but the afl randomly changing the rules like complaining about buddy choosing the swans

 

[1970crow]

Scott Lycett takes a 5 year 600k a year deal and the Eagles get an end of first round pick. Motlop takes a 4 year, 550k a year deal and the Cats get an end of first.

Today Brandon Ellis takes 5 years for 600k a year and the Tigers get pick 39. Cam Ellis Yolmen who has played 39 games in 8 years nets the Crows pick 46.

WTF? If you’re going to have compensation which I think is ridiculous (but that’s for another thread), how about some consistency in how it is awarded?

The Ellis one is just one example. There’s been other examples of the AFl clearly making it up as they go. The pick the Cats got couldn’t have been a more blatant move by the AFL to allow the Cats to get Ablett back.

Never seen a sports league make up things as they go like the AFL does. It’s so unprofessional.

I don’t think the CEY pick is the issue, the first 2 you mentioned set what was required for end of first which it looks like was met easily. You should be looking at 20 or 21 or 19 in a non-GC tainted year. CEY signed a 3 year deal presumably around the $450k mark and we got 3rd round compo which seems about right. Buddy got the Hawks 19 and Frawley the Demons about 2. Both the same band. That bit seems stupid to me, but I don’t see any issues with the band application.