FA Compo: What Gives?

[greatwhiteshark]

would be so much easier to get rid of compo...

would look far more clean too

So you get nothing for your player if they decide to leave? Just give them FA as a 17 year old and it solves everything.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

due to the system being amateur and ridiculous. Im very happy to have brando off the books but the fact remains richmond have been screwed under the rules.

You have absolutely no way of knowing that.

Both Lycett and Motlop were described as scraping into Band 2 compensation, as in they were right at the minimum to give that.

Lycett is getting paid more than Motlop is. So that indicates that the AFL reviews the levels for each compensation band yearly. This avoids a bracket creep problem, where increasing player payments would put more and more players into the higher compensation bands.

So its quite reasonable that a review has pushed the band 2 compensation up enough that Ellis's contract doesn't fall into it.

All up, thread is full of sooking Hawthorn fans that don't understand the rules, if they wanted better for Buddy, they should've matched and created a trade.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

the first 2 you mentioned set what was required for end of first which it looks like was met easily.

They set what was required 1 or 2 years ago. With player contracts increasing each year, it would be stupid to have those values be static.

Or you'd end up with free agency moves of depth players outside of best 22 resulting in second round compensation.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

would be so much easier to get rid of compo...

would look far more clean too

Originally this seemed like a good idea, but FA hasn't worked the way it was intended.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

There shouldn't even be 'compensation' imo, the whole system is stupid. Some of the picks for certain players have been ridiculous, either way too low or way too high.

Should just be like the NBA. If your player is a restricted free agent and you want some sort of compensation match the offer and force some sort trade. If your player is going to be an unrestricted free agent trade them a year or two early if you think they'll walk. If they're unrestricted and just walk and you get nothing, tough luck.

Free agency can't work like it does in the NBA, because part of the system in the NBA is that the clubs are free to trade contracted players to whoever they like. Clubs can get their own compensation for free agents the year before.

The AFLPA is never going to allow that.

 

[1970crow]

They set what was required 1 or 2 years ago. With player contracts increasing each year, it would be stupid to have those values be static.

Or you'd end up with free agency moves of depth players outside of best 22 resulting in second round compensation.

They’re recent enough that the small % (10%?) increase in 2 years doesn’t change the fact that he should have been the same band as the 2 mentioned.

 

[Kwality]

Gil spins around in his chair until he’s dizzy, catches a whiff of the Mabo vibe, counts how many steps it takes him to get to the lunch table then phones in the pick.

Gils not that stupid.

 

[kozi]

Gils not that stupid.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but he is.

 

[Kwality]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but he is.

master manipulator IMHO, stupid nope.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

You can't scrap compo picks, otherwise you will be entrenching teams at the foot of the ladder. I can see the argument for having compo picks from round 2 of the draft on only (similar to the NFL) but scrapping them altogether would be a disaster. The entire system needs an overhaul though.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

The system is broken. Compensation doesn't work when you lose Franklin for 19, and lose Frawley for a top 5 pick.

That's like losing your Ferrari and being compensated with a Toyota Camry, and losing your Holden Commodore and waking up to a new Mercedes AMG. "Compensation".

How about Melbourne trades their wooden spoons for Hawthorns flags?

It's not meant to be strictly fair, it's part of equalisation measures which favour the poorly performed teams for good reason.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

the nba seems to value having fair and equal rules

the afl wants to stop the top clubs winning against under their maxist ideals

I know right, top clubs have only won 14 if the last 15 premierships! Bloody Marxist AFL letting the Doggies win one and after only 62 years as well!!

 

[Demonic Ascent]

That only works if you get rid of the 85% minimum

Richmond was bogged down for years with overpriced contracts we had to give to ensure we stayed above the 85%. Melbourne and to a degree North are dealing with similar s**t now.

Free agency should be open and clean free agency with no compo, but clubs should be allowed to floor their salary payments when they don't have the talent worthy of it.

Good luck getting the aflpa onboard though, they have the best of both worlds right now

I agree but it's 95% isn't it? Not only that but the field of available free agents isn't really that enticing due to the criteria. I would be for opening up free agency to 4/6 years and increasing rookie contracts to 4 years. Along with reducing/removing the salary cap floor it would create freer movement of players.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

The AFL is a disgrace - corruption of the highest order. How can any player have resulted in a higher comp than Buddy for 9 years on $1m a year?

Buddy was worth band 1 compensation. So no other player has resulted in a higher comp than he was. Compensation is based on bands, not draft pick number.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I agree but it's 95% isn't it? Not only that but the field of available free agents isn't really that enticing due to the criteria. I would be for opening up free agency to 4/6 years and increasing rookie contracts to 4 years. Along with reducing/removing the salary cap floor it would create freer movement of players.

yep 95% (typo)

personally i'd lose all trade restrictions, kill the draft, and just have free agency

reward clubs who develop talent and create an environment to keep it

 

[Demonic Ascent]

yep 95% (typo)

personally i'd lose all trade restrictions, kill the draft, and just have free agency

reward clubs who develop talent and create an environment to keep it

Nah the draft is necessary otherwise you end up with massive inequalities in the league as happened during the zoning years. Not only that but clubs like Gold Coast would fold tomorrow as they wouldn't be able to field a team without the draft.

A trade off for greater free agency should be removing the cap floor and clubs able to trade players in contract.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Nah the draft is necessary otherwise you end up with massive inequalities in the league as happened during the zoning years. Not only that but clubs like Gold Coast would fold tomorrow as they wouldn't be able to field a team without the draft.

A trade off for greater free agency should be removing the cap floor and clubs able to trade players in contract.

Why? Clubs can only sign X amount of players because of the cap. They can't stockpile because it will go elsewhere

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Why? Clubs can only sign X amount of players because of the cap. They can't stockpile because it will go elsewhere

The draft is one of the key pillars of the afls equalisation measures. It is necessary to ensure a competitive league and as a way for the bad teams to get better quicker than they otherwise might. This is better for everyone is it raises the level of the competition as a whole which has flow on effects to crowds, tv rights etc

The NFL owners know this which is why a group of billionaires agree to these equalisation measures in a sporting context that they would vehemently opposed in real life. They know that having as many teams competitive as possible at any one time is part of what makes the league so successful.

If anything rookie contracts should be extended particularly in the AFL where kids are drafted out of high school and are unlikely to realise their potential for at least 4 years but probably closer to 6-7.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

The draft is one of the key pillars of the afls equalisation measures. It is necessary to ensure a competitive league and as a way for the bad teams to get better quicker than they otherwise might. This is better for everyone is it raises the level of the competition as a whole which has flow on effects to crowds, tv rights etc

The NFL owners know this which is why a group of billionaires agree to these equalisation measures in a sporting context that they would vehemently opposed in real life. They know that having as many teams competitive as possible at any one time is part of what makes the league so successful.

If anything rookie contracts should be extended particularly in the AFL where kids are drafted out of high school and are unlikely to realise their potential for at least 4 years but probably closer to 6-7.

Their salary cap is much weaker than ours through, hence the need for a draft. Pick one or the other

 

[Back One Out]

Scott Lycett takes a 5 year 600k a year deal and the Eagles get an end of first round pick. Motlop takes a 4 year, 550k a year deal and the Cats get an end of first.

Today Brandon Ellis takes 5 years for 600k a year and the Tigers get pick 39. Cam Ellis Yolmen who has played 39 games in 8 years nets the Crows pick 46.

WTF? If you’re going to have compensation which I think is ridiculous (but that’s for another thread), how about some consistency in how it is awarded?

The Ellis one is just one example. There’s been other examples of the AFl clearly making it up as they go. The pick the Cats got couldn’t have been a more blatant move by the AFL to allow the Cats to get Ablett back.

Never seen a sports league make up things as they go like the AFL does. It’s so unprofessional.

I don't think salary should be the only measure of the players Free Agent/compensation draft pick worth.

Why should Richmond be overcompensated for their expendable crappy vanilla midfielder purely because the Gold Coast Rabble are desperate for senior players and willing to pay massive overs?

It's also useless to compare pay packets of deals struck two years apart. A player who signed for 600k in 2017 might get 800k or 900k in today's market.

Some clubs have a huge hole in their salary cap and they're willing to pay silly money to a player who fills a structural need. e.g Hawthorn paying that spud, Ty Vickey over a million bucks. It doesn't mean the player is actually worth the money. He is simply cashing in because he is in the right place at the right time.

 

[Tiger2709]

You are not the only club that seemingly has been screwed over by FA Compo.

Hawthorn only getting pick 19 for Buddy Franklin is by far the biggest farce of this convoluted system.

So your saying a whole load of f@ck ups by the AFL makes it right.

They should either scrap compensation or let the clubs and supporters that pay their wages know what the rules are.

Its not that f..wit Gill's private sports competition.

 

[Tiger2709]

I don't think salary should be the only measure of the players Free Agent/compensation draft pick worth.

Why should Richmond be overcompensated for their expendable crappy vanilla midfielder purely because the Gold Coast Rabble are desperate for senior players and willing to pay massive overs?

It's also useless to compare pay packets of deals struck two years apart. A player who signed for 600k in 2017 might get 800k or 900k in today's market.

Some clubs have a huge hole in their salary cap and they're willing to pay silly money to a player who fills a structural need. e.g Hawthorn paying that spud, Ty Vickey over a million bucks. It doesn't mean the player is actually worth the money. He is simply cashing in because he is in the right place at the right time.

Just scrap compo and the minimum cap payments that have some players vastly overpaid.

The compo for Ellis is fine it was the compo for Motlop that was a shock, Ellis is elite in comparison.

 

[Back One Out]

Just scrap compo and the minimum cap payments that have some players vastly overpaid.

Yep, agree with this

I suppose the AFL were just looking out for the bottom clubs and using the compo picks as yet another equaliser when a top club raided a bottom four club. e.g Melbourne received pick no.2 for James Frawley and they were eager to show him the door. Frawley has been okay for the Hawks, but the Dees would be pretty happy they've got Brayshaw (although they could've selected De Goey with the same pick!) A top 3 pick was too much compensation for losing a full back stopper.

The compo for Ellis is fine it was the compo for Motlop that was a shock, Ellis is elite in comparison.

Agree with this too

The 1st round pick for Motlop was a joke and Cats fans knew it. Overrated because of his occasional game-breaking best performances. His customary poor performances, laziness, questionable decision-making and squib efforts were just glossed over

 

[Do the Dew]

No it should be based on your value, Dangerfield should of resulted in a top 3 pick to the Crows for example. FA or not player movement should always be for their full value.

No it definitely shouldn't because value as you are describing it (aka. talent) is subjective, whereas $$$, years, %earners at the club is objective. And objectively, the compensation for Ellis relative to Motlop (aka. Gablett) and Lycett was a joke.

 

[mcgarnacle]

Really, it's hard to justify why it's offered at all. Players who leave due to free agency should attract no conpensation in terms of draft picks, and uncontracted players should not be tradeable currency.

If you're losing a player, tough sh*t, it's your loss. Use the free list spot and cap room to re-load and acquire someone else.

well, it's the rules. the AFL & AFLPA have bastardised free agency, and made the restricted portion for the top end at each club rather than the young end. Make restricted FA for guys out of contract still in the first 5 years of their career. And the willy nilly insertion of the compo selection within rounds affects clubs that weren't party to that transaction, bumping them back one spot within the round. Free Agency should be just that - Free. Compo should be evaluated once movements are made and club receives it if they have a net loss of players through FA. if a club needs one, they get it at end of rounds.