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Was Stuey in the box on Saturday?
Collingwood certainly emerged out the front of ground ball contests with alarming regularity throughout the match. As often as anything tho it was caused by our backwards handballs in search of an unmarked team mate going astray or being broken up.Is Bruce still the midfield coach? It was obvious yesterday and even last week that we allow far to much space to the opposition mids getting out the front of contests. I get we have a lot of “see ball, get ball” players in there, but we can’t be allowing that much space.
Is it a coaching issue? Perhaps. If so, maybe it’s time for a change up in that space.
It's the disparate personalities at play that is most likely to drive you bonkers. On one hand you have a guy like Josh Dunkley who gives 110% basically every second of every game, and would be an absolute dream to coach, because you know exactly what you're going to get every time he runs out there.God I would hate to coach... I would be utter shit at it.
The balance between faith, trust and panic, reactiveness is such an incredibly fine line. I wouldn't even try.
How does Fages reconcile our first quarters with our second? How does he compare our utter domination to our complete capitulation 5 minutes later?
His faith is his weakness at times I think but man what a headfuk our team can be. I'm not sure how you can anticipate what we do next.
To me it's not so much game day coaching that fails us, our best beats anyone and we and they know it. It's something from week to week we need to work on and that's more about the people around him than Fages himself.
Laziness and no repercussions.Collingwood certainly emerged out the front of ground ball contests with alarming regularity throughout the match. As often as anything tho it was caused by our backwards handballs in search of an unmarked team mate going astray or being broken up.
This is exactly what happened to us in Round 3 at the Gabba, and I outlined my suggestions at the time, which I believe remain appropriate. Even more so perhaps, given I think the quality of our tackling and general on-ball pressure has improved (to an extent) during the season.
If your backwards handball misses its target, whatever the reason, you immediately invite the opposition an exit out the front of the stoppage, completely bypassing your first line of defence and rendering redundant any pressure it may have been able to apply.
On our midfield coach, if there is any substance to the notion that players take on traits of their coach, your comments would make sense because as a player, Cameron Bruce very rarely (if ever) concerned himself with the defensive side of the game. And he even (light heartedly) admitted as much in a recent radio interview in some banter with a former team mate. I forget the station and the team mate now unfortunately.
Having said that, Cameron Bruce is a premiership midfield coach so I'm happy to cut him a bit of slack. Our defensive setups around stoppages do need to be addressed however; we've bled goals from static plays alarmingly in the last two games. McCreery's matchwinner on Saturday was only the latest of them.
I think to be fair we have seen and heard a change in his general commentary to the media this season compared to previous seasons. I don't think we have seen anywhere near as much mollycoddling this year.My impression is that Fagan has mollycoddled the players too much and that we don't respond well to real pressure. It's evident with each passing year.
... imo he needs help and a tinkering in approach to get this list to get the best out of themselves. There I said it.
That shouldn't be taken as a criticism of him per se because it's a tough job where most fail every year . Some for years on end.
For what it's worth I thought we answered the challenge impressively in the 2nd quarter. Yes we were under the pump but we held them out for basically the last 10-15 minutes. Sometimes the blind hack kick is all you need to give you enough time to organise your defence sufficiently to make their re-entry come to nought. It becomes more about distance, direction and, more importantly, hang time, than anything else. Having played a bit of soccer the principle is similar.The panic that set in in the 2nd quarter was also a bit disconcerting. People here tend to paper over the issues because we're 'successful'.
Very good insight.I think to be fair we have seen and heard a change in his general commentary to the media this season compared to previous seasons. I don't think we have seen anywhere near as much mollycoddling this year.
To me it's consistent with the narrative he spun after the Grand Final last year that he thought we were only just coming into our window. With that narrative comes higher standards, greater stakes, grander expectations, externally perhaps but certainly internally.
So I think he has changed and I respect him for that. It's time for our players to come with him. I had begun to think they had, but we have seen a disturbing regression in the last fortnight.
I'm not disagreeing and we got by by just doing whatever it took to hack the ball out of there. Which wasn't pretty and there's a risk that that can go very wrong as well.For what it's worth I thought we answered the challenge impressively in the 2nd quarter. Yes we were under the pump but we held them out for basically the last 10-15 minutes. Sometimes the blind hack kick is all you need to give you enough time to organise your defence sufficiently to make their re-entry come to nought. It becomes more about distance, direction and, more importantly, hang time, than anything else. Having played a bit of soccer the principle is similar.
Here's the 2nd quarter score worm which I believe demonstrates my argument.
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I think to be fair we have seen and heard a change in his general commentary to the media this season compared to previous seasons. I don't think we have seen anywhere near as much mollycoddling this year.
To me it's consistent with the narrative he spun after the Grand Final last year that he thought we were only just coming into our window. With that narrative comes higher standards, greater stakes, grander expectations, externally perhaps but certainly internally.
So I think he has changed and I respect him for that. It's time for our players to come with him. I had begun to think they had, but we have seen a disturbing regression in the last fortnight.
The bye can't come soon enough for us. We're tired and playing guys who are just getting out there.There has been regression in one area only.
We keep missing easy goals.
For me , it's as simple as that.
Kick even reasonably well for goal and we are second on the ladder right now.
We have the game, the players and the weapons to win the Premiership. If results go as expected, we'll finish 5th. Win a home EF and go from there.
We can still do this. No side playing Finals is anything like trustworthy and all of them have injury concerns to key players.
Just play to our ability and kick straight and we are still a live chance
The bye can't come soon enough for us. We're tired and playing guys who are just getting out there.
Enjoyed your discussion tonight with Martinson.It's the disparate personalities at play that is most likely to drive you bonkers. On one hand you have a guy like Josh Dunkley who gives 110% basically every second of every game, and would be an absolute dream to coach, because you know exactly what you're going to get every time he runs out there.
Then at the other end of the spectrum you have Joe, whose ceiling is arguably far higher than Dunks but who we all know veers erratically from the sublime to the ridiculous and back again, often within seconds. Reference his soccer goal against Melbourne, arguably the most "Joe" goal you'll ever see.
Pulling all these different personalities together and having them function as a cohesive and successful team is incredibly challenging. The way you get the best out of Dunks I imagine is very different to the way you get the best out of Joe.
Enjoyed your discussion tonight with Martinson.
But about what you’re talking about on FC
Thank you for this.Seriously probably the dumbest conversation I've ever seen about footy
That all came as a result of frustration because he was trying to get over the line. Then got a bad bounce, then a horrifically poor umpiring decision
Why does every footy show have to take inspiration from American right wing media and just twist shit to drive emotional responses?
Has been one of our best consistently over the past couple of years. Including in big games. Has kicked game winning goals in finals etc. Yes he has sprayed it, but we know 35m out in front, he probably is going to.The weird thing is Joe isn't anywhere near the problem.
He really put in on Saturday and nearly got us over the line.
I don't think he is that bad, he nails the difficult ones and sprays the regulation ones which anecdotally probably makes him look worse than he is.I'd say Joe is probably one of the better set shots in our forward line as well. As bad as he is
I'd say Joe is probably one of the better set shots in our forward line as well. As bad as he is
Based on the Wheelo expected score for sets shots this season, Daniher (+3.1) is fourth behind Rayner (+6.6), McCarthy (+4.8) and Ah Chee (+3.5).
Charlie is comfortably the worst at -42.1, which is worst in the league by a fair margin (Watson is second at -31.5).