Politics Fascist takeover US 2025.

[Mofra]

 

[kranky al]

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So just sparkling KKK?

 

[Mofra]

So just sparkling KKK?

It's the "I didn't inhale" of racism

 

[Spearman]

A Nazi sympathizing anti-vaxxer is representative of at least some of the modern Republican party. It's a by-product of courting white supremacist groups for the past few decades.
It's very naive to suggest otherwise.

and I bet a fair number of the MA GOP voters were prepared to vote for her, why else the public alert by the MA leadership.

 

[Spearman]

There have been many videos and audios of the hard conservative billionaire donor class and the Federalist Assoc. affiliates taking victory laps and affirming their aims.
Sen. Whitehouse's regular briefings in Congress have outlined the capture of the SCOTUS and the financing network behind it and other conservative 'projects'. Project 2025 is just more of their brazen plan.

 

[kranky al]

If the lunacy (conspiracy theory) many of you predict I'll say I was wrong.

I think you could all benefit from not stressing over imaginative what ifs though. Not doing you any good, all very very unlikely

This is word for word from a recent Trump speech:

We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections. They’ll do anything, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America and to destroy the American Dream … the threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous and grave than the threat from within. Our threat is from within …They're poisoning the blood of our country….immigrants are coming to the U.S. from Asia and Africa in addition to South America. "All over the world they are pouring into our country."


That, my friend is exactly the same tropes Hitler used in his speeches. Poisoning the blood of our country is the exact sentence Hitler used. Even after people pointed that out to Trump, he continued to use it in speeches.

Hitler had his beer hall putch. His first failed insurrection. Trump has had his.

If Trump gains power, that’s the end of democracy in the United States of America, they may have elections, but it will be between Right winger and Right winger. Or just like a Russian election. Over before it starts.

 

[kranky al]

I'm more concerned about the far left ultraglobalists than Trump trying to make America great again.

Like David Horowitz said,

"Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out."

The far left ultraglobalists.


Got to be honest. Sounds terrifying.


So you have a what? Organisation? Made up of?? Who??

That espouse that the government should own all real estate, businesses, factories, farms, utilities with basically no private ownership of anything?

And they are also not just globalists:

someone who believes that economic and foreign policy should be planned in an international way, rather than according to what is best for one particular country

But ULTRA GLOBALISTS.

Wow - reminds me of playing killer instinct in the 90’s

U U L L T R A G L O B A L I S S S S T T T T …




I’m to assume an ultra globalist is what ?

Not just someone who believes that economic and foreign policy should be planned in an international way, rather than according to what is best for one particular country

An ULTRA GLOBALIST - is someone who REEEEAAAALLLLY believes that economic and foreign policy should be planned in an international way, rather than according to what is best for one particular country.

Like he doesn’t just believe it a little bit.

No no no.

He’s all in on it. AS WELL AS BEING FAAAAAAAAAAAAAR LEFT

SO he ALSO thinks that the government should own EVERYTHING.


Quick question - this….. errr boogieman.


Do you have anyone in particular you can point to that you would consider a far-left ultra-globalist?

Just want to know who to look out for?

You know, cross the street if I see this chap coming down the sidewalk towards me.

I mean if nothing else, based on the commies who used to try rabble rouse in the centre of cities in the 80’s - hes bound to stink of BO, if i could avoid that would be lovely.

 

[Blue1980]

The only thing slipping is your mask of hatred and bias. This is clearly the board for the green left weekly. Alternative views not welcome

Most States have a human rights act. Persecution based on political opinion is actionable. I have better things to do but one day someone will sue your ilk for what is clear political discrimination

lol projection much?

 

[Blue1980]

They've given 100s of billions to Ukraine, madness. I wonder who's syphoning off all that $...

Putin also invaded on Bidens watch, in fact no wars under Trump...

Classic talking point, how is Biden or any US president responsible for Putin/russias actions?

Genuine question also, do you support the US giving billions to Israel?

 

[Blue1980]

Look.

If we're wrong and you're right, I'll ******* say it first. I'll be among the first people to declare it.

But there lies the problem: I don't think our judgement of Trump is wrong.

I can remember hearing the adults talking about 2001 Howard as though it was the end of the world. I remember living through it, and thinking they were exaggerating; then, I remember how reading writing from Iraqi's of the same era as an adult and re-evaluating how I felt. I remember how Trump worked in 2016, when he first truly got what he wanted; I thought, pretty honestly, that he'd use the position to line his own pockets and that'd be it.

I never thought Jan 6th would happen. That's where he differed; where what looked like make believe, a mask he wore for the prols who hated the establishment could get behind, began to slip.

He actively campaigned for Mike Pence to be hanged; had they found the bloke, they'd have done it.

I really hope you're right, Burge. Really, I do. But if you're not, how will you react?

Yep, I knew it wasn’t all show when he begun talking about mail in ballots being rigged etc in the lead up to 2020 election.

It was obvious what they were up to and they weren’t going to concede defeat under any circumstances. People thought that was hyperbole, until it wasn’t. People thought Jan 6 type event wasn’t possible, until it was.

We have gone through so many things that would have been considered unthinkable a decade ago which have become normalised.

This is how authoritarianism happens, by conditioning people with a frog in the boiling water approach, creeping authoritarian Orban in Hungary style.

Thinking Trump becoming president again will have no impact on the rest of the world is absurd. It will embolden fascists/authoritaian/dictatorships worldwide.

It may not change instantly, but anyone thinking this is just a fun show is very complacent and naive.

Again I’d love to be proven wrong and it shown to be all show, and the US systems are too strong for anyone to basically end democracy, but I don’t think I am.

I preface this by saying this isn’t a team sport and I am no fan of the corporate Dems and Biden, especially their support of Israel and their half assed attempts to do anything good for working/middle class Americans, though the MAGA republicans are many multitudes worse.

 

[Blue1980]

Ive read people in here claim if trump wins there'll be no more elections, pull out of nato, or outright civil war (though for this it takes 2 to tango and the "peaceful protestors" aren't exactly nice people so this is an odd one to pin on him). If you believe this happens, you must believe in Santa.

The states are degrading at warp speed. Trump or Biden are completely irrelevant to this. They are simply ***ed and doing nothing to un it, either side.

For people in Australia to melt over trump is just unhinged. Bring on november or whenever it is

There will still be elections, but there are also still elections in Russia and Hungary.

They won’t be as overt as you are thinking they need to be in order to take things seriously.

The US decline has been helped by China and Russia who have been feeding disinformation and found the perfect way to destabilise the US - turning them against each other.

Someone like a Bernie Sanders would of been great for the US, but the corporate dems stage managed both 2016 and 2020 primaries against him, and are addicted to thinking we can just “get the fever to break” and without trump they can just go back to getting all that sweet donor money without fuss and pretend they’d implement universal health care, raise minimum wage etc if it wasn’t for those damn republicans (while they are amazingly somehow able to bypass congress to give money to Israel).

 

[Blue1980]

Might want to do a little reading on project 2025.


It’s not like they are hiding it. The first step was to stack the Supreme Court. They refused to appoint any more judges when Obama was in power and then in the same circumstances rammed judges through when trump was in power.


The next step will be the first hundred days if trump wins. They plan to replace the entire public service at management level with handpicked conservatives. Everything to do with any kind of state power will be run by their folk. Elections. Where the polling booths are.

I mean its not like we havnt seen the exact same playbook play out before other totalitarian governments have taken power. But I guess to know this you either have to be taught it or have an enquiring mind and seek the information out yourself.

Yep, the plan is those conservatives who refused to do something illegal back in 2020 would be replaced by blind loyalists who will do literally anything Trump tells them.

 

[Blue1980]

and you guys have the nerve to call other people "cookers". Good grief, the hypocrisy

Replace the entire public service at management level. Yep, ok

Be sure to check for monsters under the bed tonight.

lol, this is their literal plan it isn’t some made up theory

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[Blue1980]

This is word for word from a recent Trump speech:

We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections. They’ll do anything, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America and to destroy the American Dream … the threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous and grave than the threat from within. Our threat is from within …They're poisoning the blood of our country….immigrants are coming to the U.S. from Asia and Africa in addition to South America. "All over the world they are pouring into our country."


That, my friend is exactly the same tropes Hitler used in his speeches. Poisoning the blood of our country is the exact sentence Hitler used. Even after people pointed that out to Trump, he continued to use it in speeches.

Hitler had his beer hall putch. His first failed insurrection. Trump has had his.

If Trump gains power, that’s the end of democracy in the United States of America, they may have elections, but it will be between Right winger and Right winger. Or just like a Russian election. Over before it starts.

Nah, they’re just joking.

People didn’t take Hitler seriously at first either, thought he was a Mussolini wannabe. Then throughout the 30s much of the western world supported Hitler and thought people talking about his treatment of Jews and wanting to eradicate them etc as overblown leftie woke nonsense (or equivalent terms of the time).

History has been rewritten to make out everyone hated the nazis in real time and opposed their treatment of Jews when that wasn’t the case at all.

This isn’t to say Trump = Hitler, history doesn’t repeat, but if often rhymes.

The comparison with Nazi germany is there as the reality was deemed so bad that it must be made up and happened gradually enough in the beginning that people thought of it as the new normal.

Same thing is happening now, it’s happening gradually enough for some that they consider it the new normal. Plus many love the idea of an authoritarian Trump rule.

 

[Gough]

Not just the US, this is the Nigel Farage's man at the Rochdale by election.

 

[Carringbush2010]

So the Talking points, so far, to summarize are

• Democracy dies in the US if trump wins
• An authoritarian dictatorship ensues
• The us severs / weakens ties with liberal democracies
• The us becomes isolated, after all trump is an isolationist
• Dictatorships from non liberal countries like Xi and Vlad are emboldened / encouraged.
• Liberal democracy (or western) alliances are weakened.

I'm not so certain the last one will be so dramatic, if anything I'm certain the 'mood' of liberal democracy will be galvanized, the us is not the only major power that is (for now and steadily moving away from) a liberal democracy.

All the major players both major and medium (Aus) powers that are liberal democracies will strive to ensure / strengthen alliances without don.

Nonetheless it will weaken democracy's hold on the world, and dictatorships will become encouraged / emboldened and by extension become more of a threat.

For some, certainly some on these boards, I'm sure they'll be barracking for a break in alliance with the us. They'll get what they wish for and then lament if a dictatorship becomes the global policeman, if that happens.

 

[kranky al]

The only thing slipping is your mask of hatred and bias. This is clearly the board for the green left weekly. Alternative views not welcome

Most States have a human rights act. Persecution based on political opinion is actionable. I have better things to do but one day someone will sue your ilk for what is clear political discrimination

Germans had all that.

They got around it - you know how?

They arrested political enemies by saying that after the reichstag fire, Germans were so angry that Hitler was concerned for their safety. The German police took them into protective custody so as to help them.

Then that just became the new normal. Any judges who tried to rule otherwise disappeared into protective custody as well so the wrathful anger of the German people didn’t cause them violence.

Did you think that a police state starts overnight?

Germany didn’t just wake up one day and Hitler had all the power, it took years, he slowly eliminated / subsumed everything that stood against him. He did it in such a way that it sent a message to everyone else.

 

[kranky al]

This is a copypasta from reddit.

Not me, just love how succinctly it describes Trump and Trumpites.

<<
Of all the things that baffled me about Trump's rise in popularity, this was the most obvious and difficult to explain. How the absolute **** did all these ordinary people come to believe that someone born into a life of unimaginable luxury and who has spent his entire life screwing over the working class was on their side. It's a level of stupidity so overwhelming I can hardly process how they're even functional adults.

The obvious answer to this is racism. Trump doesn't make them feel bad for being racist pieces of shit. Other Republicans at least do a surface condemnation of racism, but Trump wears it on his sleeve, and they love him for it.

And beyond that, they are attracted, I think, not just to his racism but also to his being without class. He's what they would be if they had "**** you" money. He shits on gold-plated toilets, he uses the lure of his fame to **** pr0n stars then pays them not to talk about it, he marries models to spawn with him and then cheats on them while they're pregnant.

He behaves not like a rich person, but like a hillbilly who hits the powerball.

His "political policy" (really, just that of the GOP) reflects that: a tax cut that feeds them bread crumbs while shoveling money to billionaires, which will then be used to obliterate the entitlement programs that keep them alive. But he hurts black and brown people more, so they love him for it.

As contemptuous as I am of Trump voters, there's no way I could hold a candle to Trump himself in that department. He despises them. He wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. If they actually encountered him on the street, Trump would be disgusted.

They are losers. They are poor people. There's nothing Trump despises more.>>

 

[kranky al]

 

[kranky al]

 

[Jupes]

Make no mistake, if The orange walking heart attack gets in - the US will become a christofacist theocracy.



Project 25 aims : Policy | Project 2025

he is clearly being ironic here

 

[demondavey]

A Nazi sympathizing anti-vaxxer is representative of at least some of the modern Republican party. It's a by-product of courting white supremacist groups for the past few decades.
It's very naive to suggest otherwise.

Ron De Santis has pretty much declared himself an anti vaxxer.

 

[demondavey]

Several things.

One: you made a claim in your post, that Trump was responsible for the vaccine. The linked article factchecked that claim and found it misleading at a level that rises to misinformation.

When you post to this forum, you are personally responsible for ensuring that what you post is not misinformative. This is why you received a warning last time. You need to provide a good faith basis for your view, or you will receive an infraction for misinformation.

You have 24 hours to provide a source which supports your claim that Trump was directly responsible for development of one of the Covid-19 vaccines.

Two: you need to calm down. You seem to be posting deliberately antagonistically, as though seeking to start an argument as opposed to having a conversation.

... lolwut?

Again, on the ballot.

I've made a comment about how you're posting frequently and requoting the same post twice, with the second post being markedly more sophisticated (if still antagonistic).

You seem to take issue with someone making an observation about you based upon evidence.

Methinks you should consider further what happened the last time you opined on the forum rules.

Hang on mate, you’re saying that you are personally responsible for not posting information that’s tantamount to misinformation, yet why are all the Carlton fans saying they’ll win the flag this year? I mean, come now……

 

[Gethelred]

Hang on mate, you’re saying that you are personally responsible for not posting information that’s tantamount to misinformation, yet why are all the Carlton fans saying they’ll win the flag this year? I mean, come now……

 

[kranky al]

he is clearly being ironic here

Not sarcastic?