Fevola to Brisbane MERGED THREADS

[robd]

Lets be realistic. Best case scenario for Carlton was to get a first-round pick with the hope of developing a future KPF. That did NOT happen.

Next best case, in my opinion, was to get a decent forward who could plug the hole for at least a couple of years, while we try to develop our existing players - or possibly swing future deals for a KPF (like Roughead). This means we can remain competitive and doesn't put strain on our young guys (Kreuze, Waite) who will be playing out of their natural position in the forward line. This DID happen.

I don't know the details, but financially we will be in a good position for the future. This might be a small step backwards as far as on-field performance, but do you think the Fev-Bradshaw downgrade will really outweigh the improvement of everyone else across the board? I'm thinking only marginally, if at all.

I don't think this is a nightmare scenario for Carlton. The real impact of this trade will be seen in 1-2 years, when we make our next big move. We could look back on this day and say it was a turning point, for the good.

 

[lukep_86]

I highly doubt this deal will happen, I went to school with Rischitelli and last I heard (it's been a while) he was really enjoying it up there and wouldn't move back to Melbourne.

Shit deal, Bradshaw is getting old and there has to be injury concerns. I can't see where Rischitelli would fit into our team.

 

[RuckRyder]

On talent that is true. But circumstances meant a deal had to be done and Fev had lots of baggage and this limits his value.

What I'm saying is that the trade consists of that. Nothing to do with who has come out on top though undoubtedly Brisbane win if that goes through.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

There are some seriously, seriousl;y deluded people on here. We want this, we want that.

If you can't now see that Fev has done something that has completely burnt all bridges at Carlton, you're even dumber than the posts suggest.

If this is the best offer so be it. But don't blame the club, blame Fev.Fev ****ed up, Fev caused his value to plummet, Fev forced a fire sale.

At the end of the day, this deal could be worse. We get two years out of Bradshaw whilst we develop other forward options (Kreuze, Hampson, Draftees) and we get a defensively mided midfielder which we clearly need.

More importantly, we get a chance to fix our playing structure now, before all our kids hit their prime. People don't seem to see the forest for the trees around here - our forward line as it was would not win a flag. What would have happened when Fev retired or his output diminished? We'd have the a midfield in their prime that didn't know how to do anything except kick it to Fev. What a waste of 27 year old Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuze etc that would be eh? I'd reather we take the hard decision now, when those guys are 22 than start again in 3-4 years.

Then we have the message that this has sent to the playing group./ I've heard from numerous sources that the kids like Murphy and Gibbs were really motivated by the GF and were desperate to get out there. That's the attitude we need to encourage and this will help keep players in line.

In a vacuum, its a shit deal sure. But in the circumstances, it's not a disaster and is about what we could expect.

 

[incog43]

Are they taking his salary? 100% of it.

Think about it, who do you want next year?

I never saw 2010 as being a flag year, will have a lot of room to play
with our cap this time next year.

Don't mind Rischetelli, a unique player in many ways.

Future looks good, Bradshaw to help ease in our forward line changes, and he is better than a few others out there.

We lose on the deal, no doubt, but look beyond 2010 and this is a good move.

BTW, Mclean could be real good for us if he gets his body right, just what we need, and he is young, like Rischetelli.

Fev had to go, get over it guys.

 

[berisha]

I highly doubt this deal will happen, I went to school with Rischitelli and last I heard (it's been a while) he was really enjoying it up there and wouldn't move back to Melbourne.

Shit deal, Bradshaw is getting old and there has to be injury concerns. I can't see where Rischitelli would fit into our team.

I hope you're right.

 

[Swishhh10]

Gone Pick 11 & Fev
In McLean Risca and Bradshaw

Ouch

Hard to disagree with that.

Now I'm agreeing with Collingwood supporters.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I cant believe that your footy department would accept the reported trade

Fev is the current Coleman medalist and has 4 good years left in him, Bradshaw would be lucky to have 2 more years injury free

IMO the management of the entire Fev saga has been full of blunders

Yes Fev messed up yet how come no one has questioned the professional responsibility of channel 9. I ask why the hell did channel 9 give Fev a mic, camera man and a producer to do street talk in that state

Would my employer let me work pissed and then sack me, the answer to that question is no, any responsible employer would show a duty of care and not put there employee in a position of risk by allowing them to work in that state

My next thought is, the TV coverage clearly showed that Fev was smashed during the count, why didn't someone throw him in a cab

My next concern is that I really do believe that the CFC has bowed to media pressure on this matter and maybe a better option would have been to suspend Fev like the Cats did with SJ

My final concern is that I believe ego's have got in the may of decision making, instead of doing a trade with a rival club like Collingwood and getting maximum value from the trade, it seems like the club has short changed itself

Collingwood's focus only turned to Jolly once Carlton said that they will not deal with the Pies

 

[Call Me Cake]

We could look back on this day and say it was a turning point, for the good.

Or you could look back and dwell on it during another decade of disappointment?

Think about it.

 

[Close to 17]

Take it and run Blues

Great deal

 

[lukep_86]

I hope you're right.

I will do the ring around, see if i can find anything out. Will keep you all posted.

 

[The Exorcist]

Or you could look back and dwell on it in another decade of disappointment?

Think about it.

Was Fev going to play till he was 39?

 

[Close to 17]

Or you could look back and dwell on it during another decade of disappointment?

Think about it.

Scott Gumbleton board champ

 

[The Panther]

I My final concern is that I believe ego's have got in the may of decision making, instead of doing a trade with a rival club like Collingwood and getting maximum value from the trade, it seems like the club has short changed itself

Greg Swan's feud with Eddie has mortgaged his own club's future IMO.

 

[bentazluke]

fev is a gun there is no doubting that, but with him gone i feel our other forwards will benefit from him not being there! we always kick to him (imo way too much) so im looking forward to next year! and i cant believe the amount of idiots on here crying about the trade. i agree its not the best trade, but if the rumours about fev,judd, gibbs etc are true. he had to go! and nobody wanted to give us anything anyway for him, one thing i would like to know though is will we still have to pay some of his wages? if not then im happy with the outcome, wish he didnt stuff up at the brownlow, but he did. so we just move on! go blues 2010!!!!

 

[Close to 17]

Greg Swan's feud with Eddie has mortgaged his own club's future IMO.

Your club's unwillingness to give something to get something means you will continue to fall short

 

[Forrest Gimp]

If that's the going rate for Fev, I would love to see the Eagles have a crack (as long as it doesn't involve JK) I think we could afford to offer something better than that...

 

[The Grover]

Swann & Ratten were too gutless to trade him a few years ago as they should've.

Only got themselves to blame for us getting shafted in this deal.

Come to think of it the only deal we've ever come out on top was Matty Lappin for a 3rd rounder.

 

[Malifice]

We need to wrangle a first rounder out of this somehow.

 

[Dramoth]

Not meaning to be a smarty, but if Bradshaw or RiskATelly say no to this,
then it is off?

If either of them say no, the deal is off.

To be honest, I was originally against getting Hall to the club but as Malifice pointed out, he would give the developing forwards a chance to develop and free up the forward line a little by taking the second best defender.

However, in this trade, we are getting Bradshaw... while not quite at the same level as Fev in forward skills, his attitude is a lot better and, as some have noted, wouldnt be demanding the ball so much which means that our forward line will open up and players like O'hAlpin and Kreuzer would come more into play with Carlos at CHF and Kreuzer in the pocket providing an alternative to Bradshaw.

If we get 2 years out of Bradshaw, that will give Matty time to finish growing and move into the FF position while Bradshaw can move into the pocket and give us a final year as a forward option.

Risky seems to be the same sort of midfielder that we are getting in Brock so I would imagine that he might get played as a defensive HFF rotating with McLean in the middle extracting the ball.

Getting Risky means that Hoops is now going to have to pick up his game or he will be gone at the end of his current contract. And I have been a huge fan of Hoops over the years.

If the lions throw in their first rounder and we throw in pick 27, then I think that it would be a damned good trade all around and while it closes our 'Hawthorn ahead of schedule' window, it means that when our proper premiership window opens in 2-3 years time, then we will be a more balanced side with a lot of our KPP just hitting their prime.

On the whole, while it doesnt seem to be a complete win-win situation, it gets an embarrassment to the club off our books and on to someone elses.

But it all comes down to the two players from Brisbane agreeing to the deal.

 

[blues4flag]

ARRGGGHHHHH!

I'm livid. Absolutely livid. As good as Bradshaw was, he is 31 next season and missed all of 07 with a knee injury! He's one serious injury from retirement. If he stayed fit he'll be a decent enough fit for a couple of seasons but all I hear are his hammies going twang!

As for Rischitelli, don't kid yourselves. He's a decent player and will add something to the team but he's nothing more than a minor improvement.

How Brisbane supporters view him:

Doesn't do enough

Yeah I agree with acuguy, no offense to the lad but he just doesn't have good kicking and I hope he works on it during the preseason cause he is a weapon with his hardness at the ball and tackling. He is just not a matchwinner at this stage.

This is a bloke who by now should be an automatic selection, more or less a veteran. Instead, he exists on the fringes.

No-one doubts his hardness and endeavour, but let's face it his disposal is woeful. Should have nailed that kick for goal in the last quarter, but as per missed badly. Seldom "lifts the head" as the expression goes, and mostly bombs high and wild.

Surrounded by some of the best role models going around in Power and Black, but has not progressed.

Will certainly be overtaken by those more talented unless he lifts his game. An underachiever or is this as good as it gets?

Probably the latter in my opinion. Was a speculative late draft pick, so there were obviously perceived weaknesses in his game.

The question is, do we offload every player who doesn't become exceptional at what they do. I think we'd struggle to field a team with that approach.

If he gets overtaken, so be it.

Rischitelli frustrates me, partly because he seemed a bit of a development player early in his career, and I was expecting to be rewarded with some quality by this time. But it hasn't happened and I now don't think it ever will.

Rischitelli could be a gun extractor of the footy. I think he definitely doesn't get to enough contests. I wonder what his endurance ability is like. I think there is a real weakness in his ability to gut run. I have said it before but i think Jobe Watson is a fair comparison as a like for like footballer. Watson just wants it more.

The order of the draft is just speculative, something isn't clicking for Rischi, he would be disappointed with his output. I see him as trade bait.

I think Rischitelli has been playing below average for quite a number of weeks. His game against Hawthorn in round 12, especially his second half, was fantastic, with his clearances helping win us the game. But his good games are few and far between, and in the meantime he doesn't seem to be adding a lot to the team.

There's no doubt that he has not progressed as far as everyone had hoped he would, but you still need good honest aggressive players in your team. But I have been watching him closely for a while now - he can barely run and struggles to keep up with his opponent (at least two of his marks in the forward 50 in the last quarter vs. Essendon were the direct result of him not being able to chase his opponent and the ball luckily being turned over). I have also seen him not go in to a number of contests recently, ones that you would expect a 'tough' Rischitelli to fight for.

I wonder if he isn't carrying an injury or two?

At the moment the coaches need to stop playing him in the centre after a goal - he is too slow and he is far too flat footed / waiting for others to get the clearance.

Effectively, we're trading our second best player and arguably the best full forward in the competition for two steak knives. Bradshaw was a gun now but we'll be praying he stays injury free next season. Rischa nothing more than a solid player who provides a small improvement at best.

We need a clincher. Add in our 2nd round pick for their first and I could live with it. Even Hadley if need be.

Lose: Fev, pick 27
Gain: Bradshaw, Rischa, pick 12

As it is, we're getting screwed, even considering the lower value Fev demands due to his indiscretions.

 

[Swishhh10]

Greg Swan's feud with Eddie has mortgaged his own club's future IMO.

What, should we have taken pick 30 that you offered?

 

[Quazza]

not happy with the trade being reported, as it stands. Bradshaw has 2 years left, tops. A trade of our 2nd rounder, for their first, makes it bearable



that said, we're getting back more than i thought we would IF serious about trading Fev. Rischa is a much better player than people on our board give him cred for imo

 

[Chism]

Bradshaw is also very versatile and can go down back and be a handy defender. If match ups are not right and Kruez and Waite do well up forward this move can be very rewarding.

Bleus 4 Flag i noticed you picked 7 negatives posts i can go to the Brissy board and pick over 150 positive posts for Ricksta. The club has made the most of a terrible situation.

 

[The Big League]

I do honestly feel for you Carlton fans, it's always tough to see a favorite son moved on. The deal hasn't yet been completed I don't believe (i could be wrong) so there is still hope.

I can't help but think that the pies or the swans could have mustered up something a little more even if Carlton had just waited.