Football Related Random Thread - PART 2

[irel]

This threads need more dance of the snowflakes.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

This threads need more dance of the snowflakes.

 

[Dom PC]

I don't agree with the argument that you should be able to tell with your own eyes if someone is bigger than another person. An extra 5kg of muscle is massive in terms of strength, but if you're watching 50m to 100m away and are dealing with the height and weight distribution variations, it's actually not always obvious who has the extra 3 to 5 kgs.

I'm willing to bet money people will often assume wrongly who has the strength advantage just using their naked eye.

AFL is an athletic sport where even the most unfit AFL footballer would be in the top 1% of the population in terms of fitness. So if listing your weight publicly for a full time athlete is too much for someone mentally, then I'd question that persons capacity to be a public figure and if AFL is the right career option for them.

There are expectations placed on them which aren't "normal" when comparing to most work places. But that's where the extra compensation and perks comes it. If you're willing to accept the pay cheque and the perks, you need to accept the job requirements.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I don't agree with the argument that you should be able to tell with your own eyes if someone is bigger than another person. An extra 5kg of muscle is massive in terms of strength, but if you're watching 50m to 100m away and are dealing with the height and weight distribution variations, it's actually not always obvious who has the extra 3 to 5 kgs.

I'm willing to bet money people will often assume wrongly who has the strength advantage just using their naked eye.

AFL is an athletic sport where even the most unfit AFL footballer would be in the top 1% of the population in terms of fitness. So if listing your weight publicly for a full time athlete is too much for someone mentally, then I'd question that persons capacity to be a public figure and if AFL is the right career option for them.

There are expectations placed on them which aren't "normal" when comparing to most work places. But that's where the extra compensation and perks comes it. If you're willing to accept the pay cheque and the perks, you need to accept the job requirements.

So by this logic because most get paid well they should reveal something that they are not necessary fully comfortable with so a very small percentage of fans can have a bit of very slightly useful information?

The weights listed haven't been accurate for a long time. So this argument doesn't really stack up

If they were never there we wouldn't have any issue not knowing

 

[Dom PC]

So by this logic because most get paid well they should reveal something that they are not necessary fully comfortable with so a very small percentage of fans can have a bit of very slightly useful information?

The weights listed haven't been accurate for a long time. So this argument doesn't really stack up

If they were never there we wouldn't have any issue not knowing

The game is for the fans. Without them, there is no AFL. No AFL footballer is forced to play AFL. There is an active choice the person is making there.

Anyone who thinks weight is not a relevant stat in an athletic game is being disingenuous.

 

[Grasshopper17]

If they were never there we wouldn't have any issue not knowing

Kind of irrelevant really isn't it... Probably at some stage in the (distant) past the weights of players were not known. Presumably it got first added to Footy Records, or newspaper entries, whatever, because the information was (a) useful or even (b) interesting. Now that could have been 50 or 100 years ago, but there very likely was a "before".

There may very well be an "after", where clubs no longer feel the need to weigh their players because it is neither useful or interesting. But while clubs still weigh their players, we are not yet at that stage.

 

[Nathan Barley]

The game is for the fans. Without them, there is no AFL. No AFL footballer is forced to play AFL. There is an active choice the person is making there.

Anyone who is thinks weight is not a relevant stat in an athletic game is being disingenuous.

So we should give all the idiots that support the AFL whatever they want?

It's relevant but it's also an outcome of the stuff clubs are more interested in but unlikely to share. Probably hence why they don't share accurate weights

Kind of irrelevant really isn't it... Probably at some stage in the (distant) past the weights of players were not known. Presumably it got first added to Footy Records, or newspaper entries, whatever, because the information was (a) useful or even (b) interesting. Now that could have been 50 or 100 years ago, but there very likely was a "before".

There may very well be an "after", where clubs no longer feel the need to weigh their players because it is neither useful or interesting. But while clubs still weigh their players, we are not yet at that stage.

I'm sure it was of some use back in the radio days and recent last where there was greater variability in a players professionalism

 

[Dom PC]

So we should give all the idiots that support the AFL whatever they want?

It's relevant but it's also an outcome of the stuff clubs are more interested in but unlikely to share. Probably hence why they don't share accurate weights

No we shouldn't. A sensible and relevant stat which is an already established norm and referenced regularly in the sport is what we're talking about here. Anyone who refutes that has missed the 100s of posts discussing Hipwood's weight over the last 5 odd years. Never once saw people saying the fans should mind their own business re his weight discussion.

The accuracy of the weights listed is a different argument.

Weight is a very relevant stat when it comes to physical sports. Not sure how people think it's a logical decision the AFL have come to in removing the stat.

 

[Nathan Barley]

No we shouldn't. A sensible and relevant stat which is an already established norm and referenced regularly in the sport is what we're talking about here. Anyone who refutes that has missed the 100s of posts discussing Hipwood's weight over the last 5 odd years. Never once saw people saying the fans should mind their own business re his weight discussion.

The accuracy of the weights listed is a different argument.

Weight is a very relevant stat when it comes to physical sports. Not sure how people think it's a logical decision the AFL have come to in removing the stat.

I think Hipwoods strength is relevant. His weight, I couldn't give a shit about

 

[martinson]

I'd really like to know what weight our players are. And their opponents.

It's not something I'm jumping up and down about. I've looked at it casually over time where it's available just out of interest.

There must be a reason the AFL has decided it's no longer to be available . Why is it 'inappropriate' ?

Whatever. It'll die its natural death like all of these issues that crop up and exec. decisions are made.

It's not something your average footy supporter would care about one way or the other.

Despite what's been postulated on this thread it'd be a surprise if the AFLW wasn't a factor in the thinking.

But who knows.

 

[BRAB]

No we shouldn't. A sensible and relevant stat which is an already established norm and referenced regularly in the sport is what we're talking about here.

I feel like the weight that we are given on the club website has hardly been accurate for such a long time now that the fans aren’t really losing that much anyway though?

If I’m wrong and it has changed every year I’m sorry, but I can barely remember it ever being updated and certainly not throughout the season as it fluctuates massively.

 

[Jirik13]

I feel like the weight that we are given on the club website has hardly been accurate for such a long time now that the fans aren’t really losing that much anyway though?

If I’m wrong and it has changed every year I’m sorry, but I can barely remember it ever being updated and certainly not throughout the season as it fluctuates massively.

Not sure about Lions site but Suns website updates weight once during the off-season (around time when official pictures are taken). Pretty accurate, I would say (based on some players interviews). E.g., one could see progress of Powell from 67kg as draftee to current 87kg.

Not the end of the world if the weight disappears but it is interesting info for me.

 

[Dom PC]

I feel like the weight that we are given on the club website has hardly been accurate for such a long time now that the fans aren’t really losing that much anyway though?

If I’m wrong and it has changed every year I’m sorry, but I can barely remember it ever being updated and certainly not throughout the season as it fluctuates massively.

I agree the weights aren't necessarily accurate all the time, but they are indicative.

I'm hoping the photos come through okay, but take away the weights and then compare Brandon Zerk Thatcher to Tom Hawkins. Their heights are very close and yet even the "inaccurate" listed weights give an added layer of information when comparing the players and understanding what type of players they are.

I don't think the accuracy of the players weights serves any justification to completely removing the stat all together.

 

[Nathan Barley]

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I agree the weights aren't necessarily accurate all the time, but they are indicative.

I'm hoping the photos come through okay, but take away the weights and then compare Brandon Zerk Thatcher to Tom Hawkins. Their heights are very close and yet even the "inaccurate" listed weights give an added layer of information when comparing the players and understanding what type of players they are.

I don't think the accuracy of the players weights serves any justification to completely removing the stat all together.

Back in the old radio days maybe

Don't think anyone's surprised about those weights

 

[Dom PC]

Back in the old radio days maybe

Don't think anyone's surprised about those weights

Not many fans could tell Zerk Thatcher from a bar of soap. That would also be applicable for so many players.

So when you see the teams listed, what are commentators and fans ment to refer to to see who has the size advantage?

If you say look at their heights, then that logic completely falls through when you compare the height of Hipwood vs Hawkins. As it would suggest Hipwood will monster Hawkins.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Not many fans could tell Zerk Thatcher from a bar of soap. That would also be applicable for so many players.

So when you see the teams listed, what are commentators and fans ment to refer to to see who has the size advantage?

If you say look at their heights, then that logic completely falls through when you compare the height of Hipwood vs Hawkins. As it would suggest Hipwood will monster Hawkins.

No idea

 

[Jivlain]

No idea

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A bar of soap tackling a puddle of oil, who would win?

 

[SizeMatters]

The AFL really is a pathetic run organisation. Is there any major national sporting code so poorly run and operated? I’m turning more and more towards the NBA and that’s flipping saying something. It’s a shit show over there but still ahead of the AFL. Ffs… banning clubs from releasing player weights for no apparent reason?

How about they enshrine a set of rules and regulations around clubs updating heights and weights annually instead?

But nah some nuffy nobody got offended online so they canned it. Get a grip.

 

[briztoon]

 

[Mighty Lions]

The AFL really is a pathetic run organisation. Is there any major national sporting code so poorly run and operated? I’m turning more and more towards the NBA and that’s *ing saying something. It’s a s**t show over there but still ahead of the AFL. Ffs… banning clubs from releasing player weights for no apparent reason?

How about they enshrine a set of rules and regulations around clubs updating heights and weights annually instead?

But nah some nuffy nobody got offended online so they canned it. Get a grip.

In my opinion the AFL is by far the most professionally run sporting organisation in this country. I'm surprised you continue to follow our club & the people in it and the game as a whole. You should find something else (like the NBA) that will make you happy as it appears all our great game & club does for you is piss you off. Everyone deserves to be happy in their life. Life is a gift so get out there and find something in it that can make you feel great.
The weight issue to me is very precious but it doesn't piss me off like it has you and others. Like Nathan Barley and others have said, the weight & height stat is 99% innacurate anyway so don't let it upset you big boy.

 

[Viceregal]

Does this mean that pick of D Jarman will be banned from BigFooty now?

 

[The Flying Belgian]

The AFL really is a pathetic run organisation. Is there any major national sporting code so poorly run and operated? I’m turning more and more towards the NBA and that’s *ing saying something. It’s a s**t show over there but still ahead of the AFL. Ffs… banning clubs from releasing player weights for no apparent reason?

How about they enshrine a set of rules and regulations around clubs updating heights and weights annually instead?

But nah some nuffy nobody got offended online so they canned it. Get a grip.

And now you're some nuffy who's getting offended online. The circle is complete.

I am infinitely amused at all these harden-up anti-woke warriors who complain the second something is changed. If they were truly tough, they would wear the change in stoic silence, surely?

 

[briztoon]

And now you're some nuffy who's getting offended online. The circle is complete.

I am infinitely amused at all these harden-up anti-woke warriors who complain the second something is changed. If they were truly tough, they would wear the change in stoic silence, surely?

Those types aren’t on social media.

 

[Section 5]

I would have preferred the AFL to still list the players weights.
That is just my preference although i have previously stated i won't lose any sleep over the decision.
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[Grasshopper17]

So we should give all the idiots that support the AFL whatever they want?

It's relevant but it's also an outcome of the stuff clubs are more interested in but unlikely to share. Probably hence why they don't share accurate weights

While attendances are high and ratings are good, the AFL and its major corporate supporters can (and will) continue to treat all football supporters like idiots, and we've seen a great example of it here.

That's why I'd love to see the AFL Fans Association gain in prominence. We've let the tail wag the dog for so long that we've assumed it's the natural way of things. The players association was largely treated with disdain by the governing body/ies for many years until it got its act together. No reason why with the right approach, the fans association can't achieve the same prominence.

But until it does, we voluntarily hand the reigns of control over to the AFL, the clubs and the corporates, and endorse them treating us, all of us, like idiots. And that means we continue getting subpar outcomes like unfair fixtures aimed solely at maximising TV viewership, rubbish seat allocations at finals and other big games, and Brian Taylor on prime time TV.