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I like Meeky, can only wish him the best.
Meek has worked very hard for his success. 26yo and has only nailed a spot as No1 ruck this season. He mentioned in that article that he understood his position at Freo and was willing to put the work in to improve himself and his game.
Lloyd also spoke about how he respected the way his parents were hard workers.
One interesting point he raised was how Sam Mitchell's wife came over and was involved in selling the Hawthorn FC to Meek and his partner. That's a good strategy and smart thinking from the HFC.
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Good on him.
Hawthorn were very clever in getting meek while dumping jom on us.
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Clever? That’s like saying picking the winning horse is clever. Each club made a calculated decision knowing there were many possible future outcomes.
Having a fortunate outcome eventuate doesn’t make them clever. That’s hindsight bias.
Further, there’s more to play out yet. Are they still clever if in 2025 Darcy is AA and JOM plays 25 games?
There are countless examples of stars becoming spuds and spuds becoming good players off the back of trades. Cerra is a great example. Acres when he turned it around with us.
I’m happy for the bloke. He’s having a career when he might have been forever stuck behind Darcy assuming Darcy kept up the form he had at the time of the trade.
Stumbled across this article just now and holy **** who gets paid to write this? Why are we going through the numbers of games played by each listed docker since 2017? Why are we recapping in heavy detail every single game from our 2016/17 season?
Reads as though this guy has a word count he’s trying to reach. Just such a poorly written article with very little insight into their actual player.
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Reads as though this guy has a word count he’s trying to reach. Just such a poorly written article with very little insight into their actual player.
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If Sam Collins was so inclined, he could be excused for mounting a photograph of ex-Fremantle coach Ross Lyon on a dart board and arming himself with a few darts. And he might like to place an annual Christmas order of a carton of French champagne to send to the now St.Kilda coach.
He certainly rambled on unnecessarily at the end. It was an interesting read until all the players games played which just seems so pointless. Also too much information about his individual games with Freo.Stumbled across this article just now and holy **** who gets paid to write this? Why are we going through the numbers of games played by each listed docker since 2017? Why are we recapping in heavy detail every single game from our 2016/17 season?
Reads as though this guy has a word count he’s trying to reach. Just such a poorly written article with very little insight into their actual player.
From de-listed to dual Club Champion
If Sam Collins was so inclined, he could be excused for mounting a photograph of ex-Fremantle coach Ross Lyon on a dart board and arming himself with a few darts. And he might like to place an annual Christmas order of a carton of French champagne to send to the now St.Kilda coach.
I was surprised when Collins was delisted but the comments about being down the pecking order were correct. A couple of matters I remember which the author didn’t include:
- multiple times at Peel there were some of the most terrible turnovers or switch kicks I’ve ever seen. In one game he took a good mark in the backline and then went to switch the kick but it scrubbered off his foot and dribbled backwards over the boundary. In the same game he did another that went to the opposition player for an easy goal.
- he played on JK in one derby and had around 7-8 goals kicked on him. Regularly struggling to keep up. It was in his second season and one of last games in purple.
To his credit went back to Melb and worked his butt off and had a good season with Werribee.
His kicking has improved and his closing speed is still not where the elite defenders are but he is a very smart defender who knows when to zone off and takes a great contested mark.
Lachie Neale will officially have played more games for Brisbane than Fremantle next week.
Currently on 135 games played for Fremantle and then 135 for Brisbane.
Will play game number 136 for Brisbane v Geelong in the prelim.
Currently on 135 games played for Fremantle and then 135 for Brisbane.
Will play game number 136 for Brisbane v Geelong in the prelim.
And he's played in the same amount of grand finals for the same amount of flags for both teams.
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Good interview with Jesse with this part to change the heart of even the most spiteful of us I think. I'm now genuinely happy the bloke turned it all around, even if it was at our expense
I remember that. Was heartbroken for him.
He was moving alright prior to that too. He stepped and just felt it I guess
Just wish the club had better help, protection around him.
Bell wasn’t ideal in terms of preparation and man management.
Every time I hear him talk about it I'm genuinely happy for him that he's managed to end up where he is now, especially with the McCarthy situation.
Every time I have to hear the media rag on about it and "can't believe they let him go for nothing" I get spiteful. Always tied into the wider narrative of "Freo can't keep players look at how well they're all doing on their new team" rather than acknowledging the wider sitauation that it was just a really shitty wrong time wrong place for both Jesse and club.
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I'd like to know what he meant by a lot of resentment about his decisions when he mentioned his time at Fremantle.
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I agree that it's a good interview, I'm glad he could turn it all around.
In his own words, when he was playing for the Dees and he broke his 2nd navicular he thought, 'My career is over.' If so, were he and Melbourne totally up front wrt his injury status when he came to Freo? Did he tell us porkies or did we stupidly, knowingly pay too much for damaged goods?? If the true extent of his injury was known he would have cost Freo a lot less, the expectations/attention on him from everyone would have been less, and therefore his whole mental health journey would have been a lot easier and ultimately perhaps things could have worked out here. Oh well. I guess we all learn a lesson and move on. Pity the lesson cost us pick 6 and 23.
He said he was playing against the Dees when he did the navicular the second time. Match was round 14 against the Dees in 2019.
On the resentment comment about his time in Freo, he says his resentment was due to the decisions he made.
I think good for him. Don't think the club was in the right place at the time to support Hogan, and I don't think Hogan was in the right frame of mind for where the club was. It just wasn't meant to be. And even if we had kept him there would be no doubt in my mind he would have been delisted the following year and not picked up at all.
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Thx for correcting me and taking the time to do so clearly - that makes the whole picture come together. From memory I think 2019 were still the Webber days and the club struggled to manage injuries and player loads. So even better that in the interview Jesse just acknowledged his part in the situation without shading anyone else.
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Jack Trengove, former captain of Melbourne, encouraged to explore a trade to Richmond and was going to be there until their medical discovered he too had the busted navicular - then Melbourne medical acted shocked and surprised and took care of Jack.
There's no side of that which makes Melbourne look good. They either didn't know, bad. Or they did, really bad.
There's no side of that which makes Melbourne look good. They either didn't know, bad. Or they did, really bad.
That Hogan stuff still shits me.
There’s no reason he couldn’t have done exactly what he did at GWS here.
Stay off the piss or other stuff, buckle down. Do the work.
That’s literally all he’s done over there.
He would’ve had all the support he needed here.
There’s no reason he couldn’t have done exactly what he did at GWS here.
Stay off the piss or other stuff, buckle down. Do the work.
That’s literally all he’s done over there.
He would’ve had all the support he needed here.
I hear you but decisions about alcohol & drug abuse aren’t generally made from a good headspace and often people need to get a glimpse of their own mortality whether in career or relationship terms before they can get it together.
Probably what he’s referring to when he says he’s got resentment (not really the right word) about some of his decisions while at Freo.
I don’t think he’s the best communicator & I heard or interpreted what he said as that he has anger/regret about his behavior/actions here.
We can’t know if he would have been able to get it together here as we delisted him which turned out to be the kick in the pants for him to turn it around.
It reminded me at the time of the Walters situation and I was in favor of keeping him (Hogan) as it’s another one where the sheer level of potential justifies persisting.
The counter argument is Bennell & other players where we persisted too long and we were/are going pretty hard on the no dickheads thing.
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Resent/regret - he's just saying he doesn't look back fondly on the decisions he made or didn't make while at Freo.
I really rue the lost opportunity we had with Jesse Bogan. He is still filled with the essence of that wild side of Fremantle that attracted us all at one point or other - that unschooled beauty of pure talent, that recklessness, that loose embrace of structure and discipline. When we were flaky underdogs, either just scrapping away or floating in and out of games on a promise of mesmerising skill or freakiness.
But the club itself was/is changing. Growing up finally, after an adolescence so prolonged it could have only been fuelled by booze and good times, and Jesse was in a dark spot and not at all the character he is now who has grasped that a bit of rigor goes a ****ing long way.
We needed/wanted too much from a bloke that couldn't give it and his efforts to overcome that were either waylaid by shenanigans or ended up making things worse. Who doesn't remember Jesse in purple as the bloke berating himself for a missed mark - clapping his hands together to get back the timing and touch.
But **** him. 77 goals in a season, you campaigner.
I really rue the lost opportunity we had with Jesse Bogan. He is still filled with the essence of that wild side of Fremantle that attracted us all at one point or other - that unschooled beauty of pure talent, that recklessness, that loose embrace of structure and discipline. When we were flaky underdogs, either just scrapping away or floating in and out of games on a promise of mesmerising skill or freakiness.
But the club itself was/is changing. Growing up finally, after an adolescence so prolonged it could have only been fuelled by booze and good times, and Jesse was in a dark spot and not at all the character he is now who has grasped that a bit of rigor goes a ****ing long way.
We needed/wanted too much from a bloke that couldn't give it and his efforts to overcome that were either waylaid by shenanigans or ended up making things worse. Who doesn't remember Jesse in purple as the bloke berating himself for a missed mark - clapping his hands together to get back the timing and touch.
But **** him. 77 goals in a season, you campaigner.
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Naviculars are tricky injuries.
He basically played on it without it getting better, with what looked like injections (my observations at trainings) until it broke.
I had a tricky navicular injury from an unusual sporting injury. After many months to a year, keeping playing and mistreatments ended up in hospital having a bone graft ... then waking up from the operation and surgeons telling me they didn't need to graft because they found bits of fragments from the navicular/cuboid joint that had irritated and caused a hole in the navicular. They cleared the fragments and said the hole would heal itself, which it did after 6 weeks.
Not saying Hogan's was the same, but they are known to be tricky injuries. An exploratory op or expert analysis at the start or when he came over might have resulted in different decisions and better healing.
IMO, had Jesse Bogan opened up like that when he was with us, he would've had the same healing experience in WA
Instead, we paid for a Maserati & got a Ford Escort
I wish him great mental health, & bad footy juju (not injuriea)
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He trusted the medics, but I don't think they took the correct options.
He was very dedicated at training when he first came, but the injury was only one of his problems.
