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2023 AFL Trade Period and the AFL Draft

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Current draft picks: done
2024 draft picks: 1st, 2nd, 4th (Fre), 4th (GC), 4th (WBU)

List changes:
Out: 7 - Ed Curnow (Ret), Plowman (Ret), O'Brien (Del), Philp (Del), Honey (Del), Fisher (Trade), Dow (Trade)
In: 6 - Rob Monahan (IIR-CatB), Elijah Hollands (Trade), Orazio Fantasia (DFA), Ashton Moir (pick 29), Billy Wilson (pick 34), Matthew Carroll (Rookie pick 15)
Uncontracted: 0.
Retained SSP Players: 2 - Cincotta, O'Keeffe
Upgraded Rookie: 1 - Cottrell

List status:
Senior - 36 (36-38)
Rookie - 6 (0-6)
Cat-B Rookie - 2 (0-2)
Total - 44 (44)

Free spots - 0

Note - Matt Duffy (Ireland) not included - assumption is he was not listed after injuring knee.

List Lodgment Dates: OPEN
Tue 31-Oct: List Lodgment 1 COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: Father/Son, NGA, Northern Academy bidding nominations close COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: International Scholarship Listed players inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Thu 9-Nov: List Lodgment 2 COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Father/Son Primary List lodgment close COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Players not registered for 3 years inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: International Players inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Wed 22-Nov: List Lodgment 3 (post National draft) COMPLETE
Thu 23-Nov: FINAL List Lodgment (post PSD & Rookie drafts) PENDING

The Draft:
Mon 20-Nov
Time 7pm: National Draft Round One COMPLETE
Tue 21-Nov
5.45pm - 6.30pm: Selection Trade period COMPLETE
7pm: National Draft Round Two to completion COMPLETE
Following completion of draft: Rookie Promotion to Primary List COMPLETE
Following completion of draft: Delisted Free Agency Period (3) COMPLETE
Wed 22-Nov
Northern Academy and NGA Academy eligible Pre-Selected Rookie and Father-Son Pre-Selected Rookie player nominations
3pm: AFL Pre-season Draft COMPLETE
3.20pm: AFL Rookie Draft COMPLETE

Supplementary Selection Period (SSP): PENDING
Mon 27-Nov 9am: SSP starts (players must have been on AFL list previously OR nominated for 2023 draft)
Mon 19-Feb 5pm: SSP ends


Draft Nominations: CLOSED
Tue 10-Oct 9am: AFL Draft Nominations open COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: Out-of-contract listed AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft) COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov 3pm: AFL Draft Nominations close COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Delisted AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft) COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Non-retained rookie list player draft nomination close COMPLETE

Player and Selection Trades: CLOSED
Mon 9-Oct 9am: AFL Trade Period Commences – Players & Selections COMPLETE
Wed 18-Oct 7.30pm: AFL Trade Period Closes – Players & Selections COMPLETE
Mon 23-Oct 9am: AFL Trade Period Opens – Selections Only COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 5pm: AFL Trade Period Closes –Selections Only COMPLETE

Delisted Free Agency Periods: CLOSED
Wed 01-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences COMPLETE
Wed 08-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes COMPLETE
(see also period 3 under "The Draft" section below)

Restricted/Unrestricted Free Agency Trades: CLOSED
Fri 6-Oct 9am: AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period Commences COMPLETE
Fri 13-Oct 5pm: Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period COMPLETE
Mon 16-Oct 5pm: AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends COMPLETE

Draft Combines: CLOSED
Fri 6-Oct to Sun 8-Oct: National Draft Combine COMPLETE
Sun 8-Oct: Victorian State Combine COMPLETE
Sat 14-Oct: SA/NT State Combine COMPLETE
Sun 15-Oct: WA State Combine COMPLETE

6-Oct
1. James Jordon to Sydney as UFA. Melbourne receive end of 2nd round pick as compensation (40)
2. Matt Flynn to WCE as UFA. GWS receive end of 2nd round pick as compensation (41)
8-Oct
3. Joel Hamling to Sydney as UFA. Fremantle do not receive any compensation.
9-Oct
4. Tom Doedee to Brisbane as RFA. Adelaide receive end of 1st round compensation (pick 20)
5. Pick Swap: GCS trade picks 5, 48, 53 and future 3rd (GC) to WBU in return for picks 11, 18 and future 1st rd (WBU)
6. Pick Swap: Freo trade pick 25 and future 2nd rd to Port for future 1st (Port)
7. Todd Goldstein to Essendon as UFA. No compensation for North Melbourne.
10-Oct
8. Ben McKay to Essendon as RFA. North Melbourne receive 1st round pick as compensation (3)
9. James Harmes to Western Bulldogs. Melbourne receive a future 3rd rd pick (WBU)
11-Oct
10. Dylan Stephens to North Melbourne with pick 26. Sydney receive a future end of first round (pick 19) and this year's pick 45.
11. Pick Swap: Melbourne receives pick 11. Gold Coast get 14, 28, 36 in return.
12. Chris Burgess and pick 14 to Adelaide. Gold Coast get picks 24 and 27.
13. Pick Swap: North Melbourne receive pick 18. Gold Coast gets future end of first round (pick 20) comp pick.
14. Brodie Grundy to Sydney. Melbourne receive pick 47 and future second round pick (Syd)
15. Taylor Adams to Sydney. Collingwood receive pick 34.
16. Zac Fisher to North Melbourne with pick 17. CARLTON receive picks 22 and 26.
13-Oct
17. Jade Gresham to Essendon as RFA. St Kilda receive end of 1st round compensation (pick 21)
18. Toby Pink to North Melbourne - delisted free agent.
19. Tom Fullarton to Melbourne. Brisbane receive pick 47 in return.
14-Oct
20. Tyler Brockman to West Coast Eagles. Hawthorn receive picks 44 and 63 in return.
16-Oct
21. Bigoa Nyuon to North Melbourne. Richmond receive pick 65.
22. Lachie Schultz to Collingwood. Fremantle receive pick 34 and a future first round pick (Col) in return.
23. Liam Henry and future round four (Fre) pick to St Kilda. Fremantle receive a future 2nd (StK) and future 4th (StK).
17-Oct
24. Shane McAdam to Melbourne. Adelaide receive a future second round pick (Mel) in return.
25. Multi-trade
.... CARLTON: Give - Paddy Dow, future 3rd (Car), future 4th (Car). Receive - future 3rd (Ess), future 4th (Fre), future 4th (WBU)
.... Essendon: Give - 52, future 3rd (Ess). Receive - pick 35, future 4th (Car)
.... St Kilda: Give - Nick Coffield, picks 35, 56, future 4th (Fre). Receive - Paddy Dow, pick 40, future 3rd (Car)
.... Western Bulldogs: Give - pick 40, future 4th (WBU). Receive - Nick Coffield, picks 52, 56
18-Oct
26. Ivan Soldo to Port Adelaide with pick 50. Richmond receive picks 41, 49 a future 2nd round (Fre) and future 4th round (PA).
27. Jack Ginnivan pick 39, future 2nd (Col) and future 4th (Col) to Hawthorn. Collingwood receive pick 33, future 2nd (Haw), future 3rd (Haw)
28. Jordan Sweet to Port Adelaide. Western Bulldogs receive pick 50 in return.
29. Esava Ratugolea to Port Adelaide. Geelong receive picks 25, 76 and 94.
30. Elijah Hollands to CARLTON with pick 28 and future 4th (GC). Gold Coast receive pick 26 and future 3rd (Ess).
31. Jacob Koschitzke to Richmond. Hawthorn receive pick 49.
32. Jack Billings to Melbourne. St Kilda receive a future 3rd round pick (Mel).
33. Multi-trade
.... Brisbane: Give - Jack Gunston, picks 47, 61, future 2nd round (Bri). Receive - Ryan, 39, 54, future 4th (Haw).
.... Hawthorn: Give - Brandon Ryan, picks 39, 54, future 4th round (Haw). Receive - Gunston, 47, 61, future 2nd (Bri).
34. Mabior Chol to Hawthorn with pick 62. Gold Coast receive a future 2nd round pick (Bri).
35. Massimo D'Ambrosio to Hawthorn. Essendon receive pick 61, future 4th round (Col)
36. Multi-trade
.... Essendon: Give - Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, pick 73, future 4th round (Ess), future 4th round (Car). Receive - Xavier Duursma
.... Port Adelaide: Give - Xavier Duursma. Receive - Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, 73, future 4th round (Ess), future 4th round (Car)





Nominated:
Elliott Himmelberg to GWS (Trade) - staying at GWS

Mooted:
Buku Khamis - staying at Dogs
Dylan Shiel
Clayton Oliver - Ade/Gee - staying at Melbourne
Ollie Wines
Dan McKenzie - Suns?
Scott Lycett
Tom Clurey
James Borlase
Brynn Teakle
Josh Sinn
Orazio Fantasia - GWS?
Sam Hayes
Harrison Petty


Potential DFA and Retiree moves:
TBA

Missed Out on trades:
TBA




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Stamos said:
I think the only genuine decrease in midfield depth is Dow.
Ed was past it this year.
LOB played a total of 6 games, 3 or 4 as sub, and by round 1 next year will have been well and truely over-taken by Binns.
Fisher is over-taken by Williams. Philp has given us nothing as a Senior Player.

The thing is, the system means that you can't hold players like Dow. It's the way that salary cap and restricted list numbers and opportunity work. Hopefully Carroll and Binns and both Hollands can cover whatever we miss with Dow.
I would prefer that we could keep him, but I'm also not really concerned.
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Ed may have been past it this year but as part of the midfield depth table, he was ranked higher than Dow initially. As for fisher, comes down to perspective - we consider cuningham and Fogarty as part of our midfield rotations but fisher has demonstrated more through the midfield historically. Philip - agree did nothing and probably needed to be taken off the main list - he would however in the right age profile to potentially contribute (cf most 1st year draftees)

Agree with you on LOB - particularly given the twins next yeah I think we will be fine in the medium term.

Anyway decisions have been made and the list changes are what they are - hopefully we add at least 2 22+ midfielders through the offseason. On the plus side, Austin's interview today gave some hope that we wont just give players away for nothing (cf previous years)
 
agro said:
Ginivan is definitely on the outer at Collingwood- his “Night at the Races” didn’t impress anyone.
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Ned Kelly backed him in (morning of the GF but maybe to avoid any controversy), be free & enjoy yourselves.

DangerousD said:
We were linked to Harmes a few weeks ago but I haven’t seen anything mentioned since, he is on the lookout for a new home and i think he would be a solid player for us but then i saw what he is reportedly owed by Melbourne, $500,000 next year.

Which raises the question. Will Melb need to pay someone to take him off their hands or will a club still cough up a 4th rounder?

Will there be a Bowes type deal this year?
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Western Bulldogs keenest by reports. Not sure what will need to be given up.
 
Stamos said:
And how many did he kick this year when the umps stopped rewarding him for ducking?
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12 or something. Played less games, only 14 this year. Dont know whether he was suspended, injured or just not picked. :think: About 6 of those 14 he was the activated sub. So he played far less that the previous season when he kicked 40.

And I'd still happily have him join us.
 
BrisbaneCFC said:
12 or something. Played less games, only 14 this year. Dont know whether he was suspended, injured or just not picked. :think: About 6 of those 14 he was the activated sub. So he played far less that the previous season when he kicked 40.

And I'd still happily have him join us.
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The goals and his form dried up when the umps stopped rewarding his ducking.
 
4flagsin5yrs said:
I'm not a huge Ginnivan fan, but if he wanted out, he would add a fair bit to our forward mix.
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Im trying not to be bias here but I genuinely don't even think he'd get a game for us barring injuries. I'd take Martin, Durdin, Motlop. Fogarty, Cuningham and Owies would be 50/50 before him. He's got no points of difference as a player at all.
 
KoutaGnome said:
"I picked a few winners," Ginnivan said. Supposedly was at track, with Pies "blessing" 🤷

“I’m not a basic footballer like everyone else, I’m allowed to live a life. I was home by 10pm and was on the waters. Everyone can make of it what they want, but I’m a f***ing premiership player,” Ginnivan told foxfooty.com.au in the rooms post-game.
IMO, another humble FIGJAM braggart....
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He's got a point.:D
 

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No trade request from Hollands as of yet so think it's far from a done deal. Especially when you consider the new coach normally tries to get those types of players to stick around
 
4flagsin5yrs said:
I'm not a huge Ginnivan fan, but if he wanted out, he would add a fair bit to our forward mix.
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IMO, Ginnivan has got talent....got found out when the umpires were onto him drawing free kicks, but I reckon he's got the footy nous to overcome that.

The main issue with him is that he doesn't pass the 'no dickhead policy'. There's a difference to a player being a bit of a bad boy and a complete ****wit, but unfortunately he fits into the latter right now. He's still only 20yo so has a lot of growing up to do, but any club that takes him on takes on the whole package. Reminds me a bit of Aker, and we know how that turned out when he went to the Woofers.

If you got him for pick 72, you may take a chance, but you'd still need to free up a list spot to squeeze him in.
 
4flagsin5yrs said:
yes, let's only take choir boys....
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Choral v footballing ability has nothing to do with being able to carry yourself with a modicum of common sense.
We make the flag next year. How many of the list would you be OK with going to the races the night before then performing like he did in the GF. Looks like it's going to cost him his list spot. Jayden Stephenson mark 2.
 
Whats everyone think of this
Fisher and pick 68 and 76
For norths pick 43 and 55
On trade 43 and Dow to St kilda for pick 33
Offer 16, 33 and future first for pick 10 and Hollands
Net lose Dow Fisher picks 68 76 and future 1st
Net Gain pick 10, 55 and Hollands
Maybe a future 2nd or 3rd rounder our way from gold coast
 
Soapy V said:
Then we swap 17 to 14 & 42 for Fisher
Then swap our Pick 42 for Saints 32 & Dow
Leaves us with 10, 14 & 32 in the draft
F2 for Hollands
Pick 67 for Sinn
Bloody hell I would be great List Manager :cool::cool:
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bmaurizio said:
Our competitors are aggressive and astute once again in trade week continuously refreshing and upgrading playing group.
Austin just has a lackadaisical demeanor. Hope we do little more than year's trading.
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Trade week has barely started, a bit premature to be disappointed.

You can't pick up every recruit on the move.

We have been very active for the last few years.

I think you need to chill...
 
Bamboo Harvester said:
IMO, Ginnivan has got talent....got found out when the umpires were onto him drawing free kicks, but I reckon he's got the footy nous to overcome that.

The main issue with him is that he doesn't pass the 'no dickhead policy'. There's a difference to a player being a bit of a bad boy and a complete ****wit, but unfortunately he fits into the latter right now. He's still only 20yo so has a lot of growing up to do, but any club that takes him on takes on the whole package. Reminds me a bit of Aker, and we know how that turned out when he went to the Woofers.

If you got him for pick 72, you may take a chance, but you'd still need to free up a list spot to squeeze him in.
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Agree Ginnivan has plenty of talent, unfortunately still immature so prone to stupidity now and then. If he were to be mentored and guided will repay with some exciting footy, mid 3Rd to early 4 Rd pick one would consider the lad.
 
My two cents for what its worth -

Fisher is the one I'm slightly angered by, not for the fact that we are losing him but for the fact that hes contracted on reasonable coin and being offered 5 years on good coin yet only worth pick 43 to NM, which likely becomes 45 after Gresham and McKay compo, unsure how bids would affect a pick in that range given some around it would be chewed up matching first round bids.
I'm not saying he's worth 19 or anything that high, but I think something around the 25-30 mark is more than reasonable given the deal North are handing him. I think the trade value should be befitting of the contract $$ and length in front of him.
Main issue is North have nothing between 19 and 43 but I am sure something could be worked out.

Just let Dow go, we've done our best to kill his career to date, so just let him go and try to thrive elsewhere. Who cares if its SOS that's after him, let's just hope he goes well in the future.
Maybe we get 43 and 55 for Fisher or 43 and an F3 from North and we can send 43 with Dow for 33, I feel like that is our best chance of salvaging something from that deal. Or we either accept the Saints pick in the 50's or walk him to the PSD to try his luck, but just do the right thing by the kid in my opinion.

Whether we get Elijah Hollands or not i'm not particularly fussed. Wouldn't shock me to see him stay and see what it's like under Hardwick, but if he does decide to leave and nominates us I'd rather make it happen with picks this year than send off an F2, who knows how high the Campo's might rate come 12 months time.

Other than that, hit the draft. Hearing a lot of talk about trading up from our first rounder. How deep is the talent pool? From what I've read all be it not a heap, it seems to have a reasonably steep decline outside of the top 5 that aren't attached to an academy.
I just wonder if its actually worth giving up 17 and next years F1 to get up to pick 7 or 10 best case, which is going to be closer to 11 and 14 post bids anyway.

Cheers guys
 

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