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2023 AFL Trade Period and the AFL Draft

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Current draft picks: done
2024 draft picks: 1st, 2nd, 4th (Fre), 4th (GC), 4th (WBU)

List changes:
Out: 7 - Ed Curnow (Ret), Plowman (Ret), O'Brien (Del), Philp (Del), Honey (Del), Fisher (Trade), Dow (Trade)
In: 6 - Rob Monahan (IIR-CatB), Elijah Hollands (Trade), Orazio Fantasia (DFA), Ashton Moir (pick 29), Billy Wilson (pick 34), Matthew Carroll (Rookie pick 15)
Uncontracted: 0.
Retained SSP Players: 2 - Cincotta, O'Keeffe
Upgraded Rookie: 1 - Cottrell

List status:
Senior - 36 (36-38)
Rookie - 6 (0-6)
Cat-B Rookie - 2 (0-2)
Total - 44 (44)

Free spots - 0

Note - Matt Duffy (Ireland) not included - assumption is he was not listed after injuring knee.

List Lodgment Dates: OPEN
Tue 31-Oct: List Lodgment 1 COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: Father/Son, NGA, Northern Academy bidding nominations close COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: International Scholarship Listed players inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Thu 9-Nov: List Lodgment 2 COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Father/Son Primary List lodgment close COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Players not registered for 3 years inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: International Players inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Wed 22-Nov: List Lodgment 3 (post National draft) COMPLETE
Thu 23-Nov: FINAL List Lodgment (post PSD & Rookie drafts) PENDING

The Draft:
Mon 20-Nov
Time 7pm: National Draft Round One COMPLETE
Tue 21-Nov
5.45pm - 6.30pm: Selection Trade period COMPLETE
7pm: National Draft Round Two to completion COMPLETE
Following completion of draft: Rookie Promotion to Primary List COMPLETE
Following completion of draft: Delisted Free Agency Period (3) COMPLETE
Wed 22-Nov
Northern Academy and NGA Academy eligible Pre-Selected Rookie and Father-Son Pre-Selected Rookie player nominations
3pm: AFL Pre-season Draft COMPLETE
3.20pm: AFL Rookie Draft COMPLETE

Supplementary Selection Period (SSP): PENDING
Mon 27-Nov 9am: SSP starts (players must have been on AFL list previously OR nominated for 2023 draft)
Mon 19-Feb 5pm: SSP ends


Draft Nominations: CLOSED
Tue 10-Oct 9am: AFL Draft Nominations open COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: Out-of-contract listed AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft) COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov 3pm: AFL Draft Nominations close COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Delisted AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft) COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Non-retained rookie list player draft nomination close COMPLETE

Player and Selection Trades: CLOSED
Mon 9-Oct 9am: AFL Trade Period Commences – Players & Selections COMPLETE
Wed 18-Oct 7.30pm: AFL Trade Period Closes – Players & Selections COMPLETE
Mon 23-Oct 9am: AFL Trade Period Opens – Selections Only COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 5pm: AFL Trade Period Closes –Selections Only COMPLETE

Delisted Free Agency Periods: CLOSED
Wed 01-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences COMPLETE
Wed 08-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes COMPLETE
(see also period 3 under "The Draft" section below)

Restricted/Unrestricted Free Agency Trades: CLOSED
Fri 6-Oct 9am: AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period Commences COMPLETE
Fri 13-Oct 5pm: Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period COMPLETE
Mon 16-Oct 5pm: AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends COMPLETE

Draft Combines: CLOSED
Fri 6-Oct to Sun 8-Oct: National Draft Combine COMPLETE
Sun 8-Oct: Victorian State Combine COMPLETE
Sat 14-Oct: SA/NT State Combine COMPLETE
Sun 15-Oct: WA State Combine COMPLETE

6-Oct
1. James Jordon to Sydney as UFA. Melbourne receive end of 2nd round pick as compensation (40)
2. Matt Flynn to WCE as UFA. GWS receive end of 2nd round pick as compensation (41)
8-Oct
3. Joel Hamling to Sydney as UFA. Fremantle do not receive any compensation.
9-Oct
4. Tom Doedee to Brisbane as RFA. Adelaide receive end of 1st round compensation (pick 20)
5. Pick Swap: GCS trade picks 5, 48, 53 and future 3rd (GC) to WBU in return for picks 11, 18 and future 1st rd (WBU)
6. Pick Swap: Freo trade pick 25 and future 2nd rd to Port for future 1st (Port)
7. Todd Goldstein to Essendon as UFA. No compensation for North Melbourne.
10-Oct
8. Ben McKay to Essendon as RFA. North Melbourne receive 1st round pick as compensation (3)
9. James Harmes to Western Bulldogs. Melbourne receive a future 3rd rd pick (WBU)
11-Oct
10. Dylan Stephens to North Melbourne with pick 26. Sydney receive a future end of first round (pick 19) and this year's pick 45.
11. Pick Swap: Melbourne receives pick 11. Gold Coast get 14, 28, 36 in return.
12. Chris Burgess and pick 14 to Adelaide. Gold Coast get picks 24 and 27.
13. Pick Swap: North Melbourne receive pick 18. Gold Coast gets future end of first round (pick 20) comp pick.
14. Brodie Grundy to Sydney. Melbourne receive pick 47 and future second round pick (Syd)
15. Taylor Adams to Sydney. Collingwood receive pick 34.
16. Zac Fisher to North Melbourne with pick 17. CARLTON receive picks 22 and 26.
13-Oct
17. Jade Gresham to Essendon as RFA. St Kilda receive end of 1st round compensation (pick 21)
18. Toby Pink to North Melbourne - delisted free agent.
19. Tom Fullarton to Melbourne. Brisbane receive pick 47 in return.
14-Oct
20. Tyler Brockman to West Coast Eagles. Hawthorn receive picks 44 and 63 in return.
16-Oct
21. Bigoa Nyuon to North Melbourne. Richmond receive pick 65.
22. Lachie Schultz to Collingwood. Fremantle receive pick 34 and a future first round pick (Col) in return.
23. Liam Henry and future round four (Fre) pick to St Kilda. Fremantle receive a future 2nd (StK) and future 4th (StK).
17-Oct
24. Shane McAdam to Melbourne. Adelaide receive a future second round pick (Mel) in return.
25. Multi-trade
.... CARLTON: Give - Paddy Dow, future 3rd (Car), future 4th (Car). Receive - future 3rd (Ess), future 4th (Fre), future 4th (WBU)
.... Essendon: Give - 52, future 3rd (Ess). Receive - pick 35, future 4th (Car)
.... St Kilda: Give - Nick Coffield, picks 35, 56, future 4th (Fre). Receive - Paddy Dow, pick 40, future 3rd (Car)
.... Western Bulldogs: Give - pick 40, future 4th (WBU). Receive - Nick Coffield, picks 52, 56
18-Oct
26. Ivan Soldo to Port Adelaide with pick 50. Richmond receive picks 41, 49 a future 2nd round (Fre) and future 4th round (PA).
27. Jack Ginnivan pick 39, future 2nd (Col) and future 4th (Col) to Hawthorn. Collingwood receive pick 33, future 2nd (Haw), future 3rd (Haw)
28. Jordan Sweet to Port Adelaide. Western Bulldogs receive pick 50 in return.
29. Esava Ratugolea to Port Adelaide. Geelong receive picks 25, 76 and 94.
30. Elijah Hollands to CARLTON with pick 28 and future 4th (GC). Gold Coast receive pick 26 and future 3rd (Ess).
31. Jacob Koschitzke to Richmond. Hawthorn receive pick 49.
32. Jack Billings to Melbourne. St Kilda receive a future 3rd round pick (Mel).
33. Multi-trade
.... Brisbane: Give - Jack Gunston, picks 47, 61, future 2nd round (Bri). Receive - Ryan, 39, 54, future 4th (Haw).
.... Hawthorn: Give - Brandon Ryan, picks 39, 54, future 4th round (Haw). Receive - Gunston, 47, 61, future 2nd (Bri).
34. Mabior Chol to Hawthorn with pick 62. Gold Coast receive a future 2nd round pick (Bri).
35. Massimo D'Ambrosio to Hawthorn. Essendon receive pick 61, future 4th round (Col)
36. Multi-trade
.... Essendon: Give - Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, pick 73, future 4th round (Ess), future 4th round (Car). Receive - Xavier Duursma
.... Port Adelaide: Give - Xavier Duursma. Receive - Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, 73, future 4th round (Ess), future 4th round (Car)





Nominated:
Elliott Himmelberg to GWS (Trade) - staying at GWS

Mooted:
Buku Khamis - staying at Dogs
Dylan Shiel
Clayton Oliver - Ade/Gee - staying at Melbourne
Ollie Wines
Dan McKenzie - Suns?
Scott Lycett
Tom Clurey
James Borlase
Brynn Teakle
Josh Sinn
Orazio Fantasia - GWS?
Sam Hayes
Harrison Petty


Potential DFA and Retiree moves:
TBA

Missed Out on trades:
TBA




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Kramer1 said:
Selecting him in the first instance, investing heavily in an a contested mid and then trading in multiple contested mids, three coaches in four years, playing him when he had not earned it, not playing him when had earned it, not trading him last year when contracted, dropping him when performing well and generally broadcasting to the AFL world that this young man is free to good home.

Something like that.
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there's a bit to unpack there.

It's our mess, in relation with the trade negotiations with St Kilda, because:
  1. we drafted him...?
  2. we traded in multiple contested mids (at a time when the game was more stoppage-heavy, before the stand rule, kick out changes and overall rotations reduction) and Dow also wasn't performing well enough for us to not be interested in bolstering that part of the ground?
  3. we've certainly gone through some coaches, but the later three have all preferred others playing on-ball ahead of Dow. Shold we have found another coach because they'd play Dow?
  4. we didn't force him into the side, either as an extra (sometimes 6th) on-baller or try to squeeze him into a half forward role?
  5. not trading him last year, when he was on the table but no one wanted him or his comparatively high salary?
  6. dropping him when others who were rated higher and have played better footy returned to the team?
 
Juddernaut08 said:
Any chance we look at Schulz? If the Pies can't reach a deal Schulz would be a real goal kicking threat in our forwardline. Would make us so dangerous.

Martin McKay E.Hollands
Schultz Charlie Motlop
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It's very rare a player backflips after picking a club of choice. Best hope is the trade falls through and we have a crack at him next year as a UFA. I suspect we would have already been looking at him.
 

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Juddernaut08 said:
Any chance we look at Schulz? If the Pies can't reach a deal Schulz would be a real goal kicking threat in our forwardline. Would make us so dangerous.

Martin McKay E.Hollands
Schultz Charlie Motlop
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Schulz wants easy success, im not fussed he wants to go there. pies won't win another flag for a while
 
Juddernaut08 said:
Any chance we look at Schulz? If the Pies can't reach a deal Schulz would be a real goal kicking threat in our forwardline. Would make us so dangerous.

Martin McKay E.Hollands
Schultz Charlie Motlop
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Don't think Schulz is much of an upgrade on either Owies or Durdin (in time).

Lachlan Schultz and Matt Owies AFL Stats Comparison

Lachlan Schultz and Matt Owies AFL Stats Comparison.
www.footywire.com

Schulz gets up the ground more, hence more disposals....
 


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Asked if the Suns were open to moving Hollands on, Cameron told SEN on Monday morning: “Yeah we are – and there's a number of reasons around it. “First of all, to play Elijah (at AFL level), we've played him out of position a little bit so that we could get him in and play games
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Geez thats some openness by Craig Cameron, unusual to hear a list manager talk about a player before they've been traded in that way
 
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Geez thats some openness by Craig Cameron, unusual to hear a list manager talk about a player before they've been traded in that way
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You reckon he is 100% gone based on that
 
WalshistheGOAT said:
Have to think so, sounds like a 3rd rounder will get it done based off those comments. Sounds like someone they are happy to go
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Sounds like he's on decent pay too which is another incentive for them to dump him.

Goldcoast for many years were giving all their 1st round picks 2 year extensions straight up on great coin to lock them in for 4 years.

Probably on 400-500k next year. We probably give him a 3 year contract and smooth some of that money out.
 

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Kramer1 said:
Selecting him in the first instance, investing heavily in a contested mid and then trading in multiple contested mids, three coaches in four years, playing him when he had not earned it, not playing him when had earned it, not trading him last year when contracted and then not playing him, dropping him when performing well and generally broadcasting to the AFL world that this young man is free to good home.

Something like that.
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We didn't opt to not trade him last year. We allowed him to explore his options and ultimately he elected to stay.
 
marcmurphy3 said:
In fairness he was given plenty of opportunity in his early years. We were only forced to trade in those mids because he failed to show enough. Then when he started getting himself closer to the level required he had to deal with that increased competition.

I don't think you can blame the Dow situation 100% on the club. Had plenty of chances to succeed. Hopefully he does at the saints
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No great arguments with that...Paddy has the biggest hand to play in his own development. But it is easy to kick the player on the way out as not good enough. As footy fans it's par for the course. I just think it worth observing that he's had three coaches in relatively quick succession with approached ranging from pure development to win now. His path to consistent AFL footy has had roadblocks in the form of additional competition for spots. It's arguable that there has been some inconsistent messaging at MC. It's arguable that the club has a poor track record of developing mids. His biggest red flag from day one was endurance and it's arguable the club has failed in developing that. And for reasons outside of form, it's arguable that he was only ever going to be break glass in case of emergency this year...his papers were stamped long ago, and everyone in the AFL world knows that.

I just think it's a bit rich to turn around and then whinge about fair compensation (while rubbing our hands together at getting Hollands for unders). The mess is largely of our own making.
 
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NavySteel said:
Harrison Petty plays a few games up forward and has two good games and now he's a messiah for team's forward lines.

I don't get it.

Weitering experiement went the same way. Scored a few goals then doughnuts.

If Melbourne were smart they'd sell him while he's hot for a first.

But then they'd have to find a forward....
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Weitering is a spud..couldn't even make the AA. Delist!
 
Arr0w said:
He didn't receive an offer that would absorb his current salary, that's why he elected to stay
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So Saints now think he is worth this figure or he's taking a pay cut? Interesting that his 10 games this year has gained him more interest, but we have people here suggesting he's worth no more than last season as though that run of games changes nothing.
 
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The Old Dark Navy's said:
So Saints now think he is worth this figure or he's taking a pay cut? Interesting that his 10 goes this year has gained him more interest, but we have people here suggesting he's worth no more than last season as though that run of games changes nothing.
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Saints aren't offering him the money per year, he was on with us this year

While he has improved in a couple of areas, it wouldn't move the trade value needle all that much think it gets done for the value of a pick in the 50-60 region
 
Arr0w said:
Saints aren't offering him the money per year, he was on with us this year

While he has improved in a couple of areas, it wouldn't move the trade value needle all that much think it gets done for the value of a pick in the 50-60 region
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Would we even use such a pick? In a draft where there are estimates of maybe 45 picks used, a pick in the 50-60 range is worthless.
 
Kramer1 said:
No great arguments with that...Paddy has the biggest hand to play in his own development. But it is easy to kick the player on the way out as not good enough. As footy fans it's par for the course. I just think it worth observing that he's had three coaches in relatively quick succession with approached ranging from pure development to win now. His path to consistent AFL footy has had roadblocks in the form of additional competition for spots. It's arguable that there has been some inconsistent messaging at MC. It's arguable that the club has a poor track record of developing mids. His biggest red flag from day one was endurance and it's arguable the club has failed in developing that. And for reasons outside of form, it's arguable that he was only ever going to be break glass in case of emergency this year...his papers were stamped long ago, and everyone in the AFL world knows that.

I just think it's a bit rich to turn around and then whinge about fair compensation (while rubbing our hands together at getting Hollands for unders). The mess is largely of our own making.
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It's not a mess, it's just how the cards fall in this game....

I think he showed in his late season games the endurance thing is sorted...

How many clubs would offer him a spot as a starting mid? A few, but not many.
 

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