Review Freo Squeak Over the Line Against Hawks - Rd 13 Review

[eastfreo75]

For some reason AFL ratings hates Brayshaw. Last week they rated him about 15th best on ground. He got 10 coaches votes.

Classic example that the AFL mean shit.

I remember that Luke McPharlin was rated 250th best in the AFL.

 

[Scham]

Yup, I didn’t see the replay but Shultz did great to beat the two opponents to get that kick off

Most 50/50 calls today we didn’t get - and like others mentioned, hawks got too many soft and line ball ones. Frustrating to watch


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The umpiring was terrible but I thought the Schultz kicking in danger was the right call.

 

[s_wd6]

You're right that it's a small thing, but I also thought it was a bit of a slap in the face to Brodie.

I think starting him in there would have been a good opportunity to reinforce how valued he is and how much he's made that spot his own. And it would have aligned with the rhetoric of Fyfe fitting in with the team rather than the team having to fit around Fyfe.

It took Brodie a long time to get into the game after that too, which we can't afford given how important he is to our centre clearances.

Brodie has started on the bench for quite a few games this season, it's not a fyfe thing

 

[estibador]

Brodie has started on the bench for quite a few games this season, it's not a fyfe thing

Far enough, but Fyfe starting in there over him on this occasion sent the wrong message I reckon.

 

[Cobbler]

Yup, I didn’t see the replay but Shultz did great to beat the two opponents to get that kick off

Most 50/50 calls today we didn’t get - and like others mentioned, hawks got too many soft and line ball ones. Frustrating to watch


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I’m unaware of the specific rule about kicking in danger, but the Shultz kick was a toe poke to space. It was clever with the intention to pass. He was in control.

It wasn’t a ball on the ground reckless hack to get the ball out of there.

I kind of feel the fact someone nearly got their hands to it is irrelevant, but maybe it’s not at all and I’m one eyed.

Was definitely annoyed by it.

 

[purplerunsdeep2]

Far enough, but Fyfe starting in there over him on this occasion sent the wrong message I reckon.

Agreed. Fyfe really needs to compliment this team, I don’t feel he did yesterday

I’m not unrealistic, JLo has a great problem in trying to make this work


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[Scham]

Between Nicholls doing his thing for Hawthorn, them being handed shots at goal by the umps every time they got inside 50, and them clinically slotting every half chance set shot they had, the entire game reminded me of 2013.

I think that's why I felt pretty agitated while watching. Objectively it should probably have been a pretty good game to watch but I didn't enjoy it at all.

Me either. After the game I reflected on why I got so wound up and couldn't enjoy it, and it was definitely the umpiring and especially the fact that the umpiring kept it close with a loss always being a chance until the last 3 minutes.

 

[Taylor]

Did anyone notice the Hawks players lobbying the umpires after almost every play? The one that particularly got to me was the Banfield snap to the 2nd O'Driscoll end and they were half calling it touched and half calling it needing a review for actually missing the goals. It was amazing.

Almost like they knew they needed 21 on the field to beat us... and almost did!

 

[Scham]

I’m unaware of the specific rule about kicking in danger, but the Shultz kick was a toe poke to space. It was clever with the intention to pass. He was in control.

It wasn’t a ball on the ground reckless hack to get the ball out of there.

I kind of feel the fact someone nearly got their hands to it is irrelevant, but maybe it’s not at all and I’m one eyed.

Was definitely annoyed by it.

That is the rule though, or perhaps how it's always been paid/interpreted over the years. You can't soccer the ball when an opponent has hands on or near the ball trying to take possession.

 

[Cobbler]

Carlton, Pies and now Hawks have set their defense up with a loose man through the middle when we have ball in hand. Maybe other team have too, but I’ve noticed it with these games.

Carlton game we couldn’t get it out to the ‘fat’ side and hence Colyer and Fredericks barely touched it.

Pies game it was Sidebottom.

Hawks placed Newcombe there.

The plan was to then intercept the down the line and attack back through the middle using the spare.

Hawks actually implemented it really well.

 

[eastfreo75]

As people already said that you can’t have Mundy and Fyfe together at centre bounces.

Then you need to split Fyfe’s minutes something like 40% midfield, 40% forward and 20% bench.

Mundy 60% midfield.

Still creates another issue. Serong, Brayshaw and Brodie game time would get 66% each.

 

[Cobbler]

That is the rule though, or perhaps how it's always been paid/interpreted over the years. You can't soccer the ball when an opponent has hands on or near the ball trying to take possession.

Which is fair enough and Shultz didn’t complain.
The complaint then comes from the supporters who see dozens of these toe pokes and they don’t get paid.

 

[muzzington]

Enjoyed a couple of times Wingard would play something up and Dave Mundy just looked disappointed with him.

 

[Dockernut]

Wouldn't be the first time that's happened against Hawthorn.

Errrrgh, don’t take me back there:

• Buddy runs off mark on his “natural arc” McPharlin chases him = 50m = goal.
• Dawson fair contest on Roughead =high contact = goal.
• Rioli tackle on Spurr with zero prior = htb = goal.

Hawks by circa 3 goals.

 

[Kenyan]

Though our ability to lock the ball in was the poorest it's been in quite awhile. Fwds just weren't applying the pressure of previous weeks imo.

Backline seemed to play very loose to my eye. Pearce especially seemed to give way too much space to his direct opponent.

Pearce did not play loose. If you watch closely, he plays deep and takes the player in that position whomever that may be.
This is a structural/game plan strategy. They play team defence on a lot of occasions so often the opposition fwds rotate between CHF and FF.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

The most scary part of that game was that it really looks like Mitchell is a cut-off the Clarkson block between the WC premiership that looks like he had a big hand in and the footy he’s got this lot playing, a draft or two could set that team up for a while

 

[Unique Name]

Pearce did not play loose. If you watch closely, he plays deep and takes the player in that position whomever that may be.
This is a structural/game plan strategy. They play team defence on a lot of occasions so often the opposition fwds rotate between CHF and FF.

Fair enough, then he was caught out a fair bit and wasn't able to impact the contest. He's been good this year but I thought this was one of his poorer games.

 

[Scham]

Which is fair enough and Shultz didn’t complain.
The complaint then comes from the supporters who see dozens of these toe pokes and they don’t get paid.

Yep. That's AFL umpiring in a nutshell - the level of technicalities vary from game to game and umpire to umpire. Most footy fans want umpires to only pay the most obvious and impactful acts and in the Schultz incident it was most definitely technically there to be paid but was it impactful i.e. was it on the higher end of the rule, and the answer is no. It wasn't dangerous but I guess, and this seemed to be in the thinking of the umpire, it was setting up what looked like an easy shot on goal, so all that needed to be taken into consideration.
If it happened against us, and wasn't paid and the Hawks got a goal from it, I'd be ropeable! That's the question that always needs to be truthfully asked of oneself to avoid bias.

 

[Kenyan]

Did anyone notice the Hawks players lobbying the umpires after almost every play? The one that particularly got to me was the Banfield snap to the 2nd O'Driscoll end and they were half calling it touched and half calling it needing a review for actually missing the goals. It was amazing.

Almost like they knew they needed 21 on the field to beat us... and almost did!

No, I didnt notice.
I did notice a really good coaching performance by Sam Mitchell.

 

[eastfreo75]

The most scary part of that game was that it really looks like Mitchell is a cut-off the Clarkson block between the WC premiership that looks like he had a big hand in and the footy he’s got this lost playing, a draft or two could set that team up for a while

Not sure he has the team.

A lot of experienced players that held his team together.

 

[Scham]

Fair enough, then he was caught out a fair bit and wasn't able to impact the contest. He's been good this year but I thought this was one of his poorer games.

He looked tired. Fell over too easily too often and struggled with his agility in the conditions.

 

[se17enteen]

You guys notice this??? Photos of umpires/their names and numbers on the door for everyone to see. This has to be about remembering their names and showing respect when talking to them.

I remember Ballas give an interview (I think it was Will Schofield

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Will Schofield

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

154.0

2star

D

5.0

1star

K

2.5

1star

HB

2.5

2star

M

0.5

1star

T

1.5

2star

MG

70.5

1star

D

7.4

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.0

2star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

’s podcast Backchat) and he said something about under Ross the players were very rude to the umpires and it cost them a few costly decisions in the finals.

Small details matter.


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[go_the_dockers]

As people already said that you can’t have Mundy and Fyfe together at centre bounces.

Then you need to split Fyfe’s minutes something like 40% midfield, 40% forward and 20% bench.

Mundy 60% midfield.

Still creates another issue. Serong, Brayshaw and Brodie game time would get 66% each.

How about Brodie?

Both spread and defend as well as each other. If we get a full team one may be dropped.

 

[Scham]

You guys notice this??? Photos of umpires/their names and numbers on the door for everyone to see. This has to be about remembering their names and showing respect when talking to them.

I remember Ballas give an interview (I think it was Will Schofield’s podcast Backchat) and he said something about under Ross the players were very rude to the umpires and it cost them a few costly decisions in the finals.

Small details matter.


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The Hawks must've outdone us in this area! I'd hate to think how the game would've been umpired without us taking care of these details! Egotistical pricks!

 

[Unique Name]

Young is going to be an absolute star.... but he needs to work on his awareness and ability to pull the trigger faster.