List Mgmt. Future NGA's or Father Sons

[Mindtraveller]

If a club is fortunate enough to have a gun NGA player then good luck to them..they still have to provide enough points to match a bid.
AFL should have left it alone…even more galling is the restrictions don’t apply to northern clubs!

Just ensure they've got a pick in the next X goes or something. Still needs tweaking, but need to reward club investment (after they've now been established for 5 years)

 

[Mat Mann]

Disagree. The NT and everything South of the Murrumbidgee should not be involved at all, but that's a problem in implementation, not in design.

There are 15 NRL Teams, 6 A-League teams, 3 Super Rugby teams and two state cricket associations in Queensland, the ACT & NSW competing with the AFL sides for the kids who become the type of elite level individuals that play professional sport, and the AFL is the only group of those that, without these academies, says "yeah, your local/junior side who's watched you since under 13s and spent time and money helping to develop you really really wants to keep you, but because they did too well last year, or because you're one of 3 amazing talents, we have to let you * off to Adelaide, see you later."

If you want PARENTS to be making the decision that their kids get to be part of these academies, and increase the overall talent available to the league, it's a necessary evil.

hey Vic kids, who grow up in x clubs NGA since a toddler, well you're too good now, off to Gold Coast with you
the same thing isn't it?

its 2 years at a minimum, 1 if the cry enough like JHF. then they can return if they wish.

it's such a cop-out, kids from every state bar 2 adhere to the same rules.

IMO, do away with NGA's and Academies, keep FS, and bring the draft back to what it was meant to be, there are so many mechanisms to see interstate kids back interstate. its intention is to keep said clubs overly competitive, usually at the cost to clubs like ours.

 

[sammm]

If a club is fortunate enough to have a gun NGA player then good luck to them..they still have to provide enough points to match a bid.
AFL should have left it alone…even more galling is the restrictions don’t apply to northern clubs!

Everyone complained when bulldogs got JUH

 

[Highlander35]

hey Vic kids, who grow up in x clubs NGA since a toddler, well you're too good now, off to Gold Coast with you
the same thing isn't it?

its 2 years at a minimum, 1 if the cry enough like JHF. then they can return if they wish.

it's such a cop-out, kids from every state bar 2 adhere to the same rules.

IMO, do away with NGA's and Academies, keep FS, and bring the draft back to what it was meant to be, there are so many mechanisms to see interstate kids back interstate. its intention is to keep said clubs overly competitive, usually at the cost to clubs like ours.

Sometimes I forget I'm talking to Australians.

In the world that you're asking for: where that level of ruthless competitive integrity applies to the Northern Clubs, but not former VFL sides, is a fantasy.

We'd be dead, on the Gold Coast/In Tassie, or forced into a merger as a junior partner within 5 years if the group of people running AFL house decided that competitive integrity was a genuine priority for the league.

The only thing the AFL cares about, and in fact, as the governing body of the game is REQUIRED to care about, is growth. Growth in eyes watching the game, growth in revenue and growth in participation numbers. Northern Expansion, NGAs, AFLW, lopsided fixtures that always produce double ups for derbies and big Victorian clubs, propping up financially incompetent clubs to maintain the number of games per week and avoid the outrage of the 90s over what would be a level of logical rationalisation? Everything is a tool to craft and influence narratives.

I don't like the Northern Academies in implementation. Including existing Footy zones such as the Murray Basin and the NT has provided too many free hits, and any level of "discounts" in drafting is simply ridiculous, similar to clubs getting rewarded for letting free agents go with a priority pick. But there is a strong & rational reason for them to existence from a governance of the game perspective, and it is far, far less of a joke to competitive integrity than the F/S rule.

 

[Mat Mann]

Sometimes I forget I'm talking to Australians.

In the world that you're asking for: where that level of ruthless competitive integrity applies to the Northern Clubs, but not former VFL sides, is a fantasy.

We'd be dead, on the Gold Coast/In Tassie, or forced into a merger as a junior partner within 5 years if the group of people running AFL house decided that competitive integrity was a genuine priority for the league.

The only thing the AFL cares about, and in fact, as the governing body of the game is REQUIRED to care about, is growth. Growth in eyes watching the game, growth in revenue and growth in participation numbers. Northern Expansion, NGAs, AFLW, lopsided fixtures that always produce double ups for derbies and big Victorian clubs, propping up financially incompetent clubs to maintain the number of games per week and avoid the outrage of the 90s over what would be a level of logical rationalisation? Everything is a tool to craft and influence narratives.

I don't like the Northern Academies in implementation. Including existing Footy zones such as the Murray Basin and the NT has provided too many free hits, and any level of "discounts" in drafting is simply ridiculous, similar to clubs getting rewarded for letting free agents go with a priority pick. But there is a strong & rational reason for them to existence from a governance of the game perspective, and it is far, far less of a joke to competitive integrity than the F/S rule.

I should have phrased it better, keep the academies NGA's etc., but do away with the per-club access attached to it. I wholeheartedly agree with them, the fostering of talent, the destination-oriented implementation of them.

yes FS, but I love that aspect of our game, the opportunity to a Reiwoldt or Hayes or Dal Santo running around for us again, love that we do that. guess we'll disagree on that.

it's not as if there are zero mechanisms for these kids to return home,

 

[bird_man]

 

[BrutThough]

 

[bird_man]

Everett only had the 2 touches in his first game but did kick 1 goal and one behind

 

[botts]

Everett only had the 2 touches in his first game but did kick 1 goal and one behind

Playing as a key forward in pretty shit conditions I think. Not bad for an underager

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Everett only had the 2 touches in his first game but did kick 1 goal and one behind

Keeping the price down. Smart

 

[bird_man]

Keeping the price down. Smart

To be fair, a lot of players that will get drafted next year wouldn't even be getting a game just yet

I hope he plays for Sandringham next year and forgets about this Gold Coast crap though

 

[saintmike65]

Definitely looks like his old man!!

 

[goodie23]

Definitely looks like his old man!!

Need a picture in profile to really tell

 

[SteeleSaints]

Everett only had the 2 touches in his first game but did kick 1 goal and one behind

I watched a few of his U16 games last year - he has a long long way to go. I gather he had a game with them as he was home on school holidays. Im not sure what school he is boarding at in Melbourne, but hopefully he comes on quickly and can play in the NAB next year or this.

I havent seen Elwood Peckett play but as a 17yo playing senior football and doing well at any level suggests they can play.

This years NGA's Docking & Nish also sound promising.

 

[austinnn]

What position do they play?

 

[bird_man]

What position do they play?

Spiderling is a forward

Not sure about Peckett

 

[botts]

Apparently playing some good footy

 

[bird_man]

Apparently playing some good footy View attachment 1676876

Yep, starting to get to the point that we may miss out on him.

Needs a stress fracture

 

[Munga]

If you needed yet another reason to skip resourcing NGA, Tassie will be taking the best kids in four years time, maybe earlier with pre-selections. Learn the lessons from the past.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

It’s probably a waste of time developing NGA now with the top 40 pick matching. Hopefully the Saints will get one or two decent father/son selections. The club is very lucky to get Owens and Winghader in the year they did.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

It’s probably a waste of time developing NGA now with the top 40 pick matching. Hopefully the Saints will get one or two decent father/son selections. The club is very lucky to get Owens and Winghader in the year they did.

There’s a fair chance they’ll adjust the matching restriction back to the top 20.


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[Coconut_twirl]

There’s a fair chance they’ll adjust the matching restriction back to the top 20.


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That sounds like a no brainer decision to me. But no guarantee the AFL will see it that way.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

That sounds like a no brainer decision to me. But no guarantee the AFL will see it that way.

They should have allowed unfettered access to NGA players for clubs who don't make finals (which would have given us McKenzie last year).

Prevents circumstances like Ugle-Hagen but encourages clubs to invest in the NGA program.

 

[Remboy]

They should have allowed unfettered access to NGA players for clubs who don't make finals (which would have given us McKenzie last year).

Prevents circumstances like Ugle-Hagen but encourages clubs to invest in the NGA program.

And also helps teams outside the 8 bridge the gap.

 

[Mindtraveller]

They should have allowed unfettered access to NGA players for clubs who don't make finals (which would have given us McKenzie last year).

Prevents circumstances like Ugle-Hagen but encourages clubs to invest in the NGA program.

I'd even be happy if they had at least one pick within the next 10 to be used on the pick. Prevents clubs hoarding lower picks