Review GBU vs collingwood

[CrowBloke]

Worst: Rankine’s injury… I can somehow handle that loss if it doesn’t end with Rankine doing his hamstring

Gotta say, I hate both; the loss and his injury.

Rankine out for 3 weeks leaves a big hole, even against weaker sides.

 

[Afcprophet]

Good: pick 5, missing the finals and leading to sacking nicks gets us much closer to a flag than winning this and making finals to go out in straight sets, or just missing finals does.

 

[Scorpus]

Another good 1 possession last quarter by Murphy - the leader

Well that's exactly it

Look who actually got their hands on it in the last quarter. They include Rankine, Dawson, Nankervis, Cook and Keane

Down the bottom Murphy, Keays, McHenry, Laird

These guys Nicks put faith in to lead and provide experience and shape or whatever bullshit, did nothing when the game was there to be won. But the actual guys busting their ass off included a guy we made sub last week and someone we've had absolutely no faith in for most of their career.

 

[CrowBloke]

In the last 27 games, we have had 10 of them decided by 1 goal or less.
Our only win was the Carlton jailbreak by 2 points. (Thanks Owies and a few others)
1-9

Nicks .

It's on Nicks.
I can forgive him for 2020 and 2021 and last year showed some hope but he needed to:
--- persevere with the forwards' set-up and achievements
AND
--- make the mids play better (Car VB, where are you??), while tightening the defence.
2024 is a horror show.
The media is raving about how we "pushed" Collingwood in "a thriller". Even Fagan mentioned it pre-game tonight to point out how well Brisbane played to draw with us.

I'd be thrilled by a win, not the loss.

Drawing with a depleted Brisbane, weakened by injury is no achievement. It's not a win.
"Pushing" Collingwood is not an achievement, either. It's status quo. Not winning means we have not improved at all, but have lost another one to them by a kick .

 

[Soggy2112]

 

[BACCS]

Our record under Nicks in games decided by a goal or less.

6-16-1.

That's not bad luck, that's a clear trend.

Geez, didn’t realise it was that many!

 

[Moe Ron]

Good: Hearing one of the commentators say "Butts on Cox"

 

[BACCS]

Another good 1 possession last quarter by Murphy - the leader

Very harsh. Quiet last quarter, but was our most dangerous forward for the first 3 quarters. Best game I’ve seen him play, 2nd only to De Goey for score involvements, 3 goal assists and a good goal on the run.

 

[BACCS]

Well that's exactly it

Look who actually got their hands on it in the last quarter. They include Rankine, Dawson, Nankervis, Cook and Keane

Down the bottom Murphy, Keays, McHenry, Laird

These guys Nicks put faith in to lead and provide experience and shape or whatever bullshit, did nothing when the game was there to be won. But the actual guys busting their ass off included a guy we made sub last week and someone we've had absolutely no faith in for most of their career.

Cmon, Murphy was very good for 3 quarters of that game. You know that’s correct.

 

[Scorpus]

Cmon, Murphy was very good for 3 quarters of that game. You know that’s correct.

And that's great, but we're talking about leadership. Murphy is a contributor, a follower, a role player, but he's not an on field leader.

Leaders don't shrink when the game is there to be won and completely disappear

 

[CrowBloke]

Good: Clearly have the team to beat good sides

With respect mate (I enjoy your posting usually), I have to disagree.
We're getting beaten this year by exactly those good sides.
Clearly, we do not have the team to beat them (except for Carlton, who are now out of the 8, and Port and we seem to have the wood on them lately).
We drew with a weakened Brisbane. We lost to an injury-weakened Collingwood.

Bad and Ugly: Same s**t different day.

Yep. Same $hit, same bucket, same $hitty Coach holding that bucket.

How many times do we have to keep drawing on the well of mediocrity and honourable losses with the hope of turning them into wins only to fail.

How many times? It'll keep happening under Nicks who appears to have learned nothing at all from 2022/2023 or any of his many mistakes.
He keeps making poor selections.
He keeps rewarding underperforming players over kids with potential in the SANFL (could Ryan and Dowling possibly play any worse that McHenry and Smith and Sholl tonight, for example?).
He keeps see-sawing between defence (we get 3 or 4 or 5 goals down as we did tonight) and attack (we fight back only to revert to all-out defence again when we hit the front).

 

[CrowBloke]

according to Fox Footy, Rankine ran 24m, didnt seem that far

After his bounce, at 0.5 replay speed I counted 14 steps at full pace which would have been at least
20 metres
BUT
I've seen many more, longer runs called 'play on'.
If allowed, his kick would have resulted in a run-out-of-time stoppage anyway.
He gets points for his dash and trying to make things happen, though.

 

[Miss Vanessa]

Exactly as observers we can all see that there are a solid 12 AFL players in our team with a few serviceable players holding their own who are carrying 5-6 who are not going to take us forward and are also not performing.

Berry for Murphy
Dowling for McHenry
Curtin for Jones/Smith
Schoenberg for Laird
Strachan for Rob
Taylor for Scholl/Keays even

Obviously I could be wrong but make those changes and I think we are a more skilled more dangerous team.

Murphy was good today and he simply isn’t being dropped in the near future. He’s just not, so we all need to get over this one.

McHenry, Jones, Smith and ROB on the other hand… they were absolute stink pants. The club really needs to do more than yo-yo some of the younger players in and out of the team and actually make a statement at the selection table. Enough of this honourable loss garbage and drop an underperforming senior player or two… or three… to make clear that losses such as these are no longer acceptable.

 

[Soggy2112]

Murphy was good today and he simply isn’t being dropped in the near future. He’s just not, so we all need to get over this one.

McHenry, Jones, Smith and ROB on the other hand… they were absolute stink pants. The club really needs to do more than yo-yo some of the younger players in and out of the team and actually make a statement at the selection table. Enough of this honourable loss garbage and drop an underperforming senior player or two… or three… to make clear that losses such as these are no longer acceptable.

Everyone knows ROB is horribly out of form. Why can’t we send him down to the SANFL to see if he can get it back?

 

[Scorpus]

So after we took the lead with 7 minutes left on the clock, here's just some of the errors we made

1. After De Goey's miss and we're kicking out, Jones turns it straight over to Frampton, literally kicking it to his advantage, and Collingwood get a repeat shot on goal (out on the full, luckily) because Murphy comes up to affect a contest which leaves his man wide open on the counter through overlap
2. After that miss we play very very slow football down the line which gets turned over because we don't have contested markers up the field
3. At a stoppage inside Collingwood's 50, Laird lets Nick Daicos get completely in the clear. Daicos kicks it out on the full
4. A kick goes inside 50 and Rankine miraculously wins it at ground level, handballs it to Jones who's in the clear but is too slow to react to Rankine winning the ball and is in poor position. Jones attempts to handball it over the top of three Collingwood players to Laird but it's smothered (obviously) and it's a stoppage.
5. O'Brien wins it out of the ruck (3 minutes left now) and attempts a shot on goal but shanks it, both completely missing the goals and not making the distance. Soligo was behind him calling for it
6. Shortly after this Keays attempts a snap shot on goal he was never going to kick with at least three players free calling for the handball inside 50 in goal scoring positions. This is what leads to an epic fast turnover from Collingwood that lets De Goey kick the sealer. Keane slips over on him
7. We're now down with 2 minutes left. With 1 minute left to go, Butts wins a free kick about half way. Butts kicks it long to the boundary with Collingwood in best position, ignoring Fogarty short. Butts was always too far to get it reasonably inside 50 and Collingwood had stacked that area of the ground. We commit four players to this contest and leave at least three Collingwood players outside in ball receiving positions along with Hill who is probably 30m away from anyone in the corridor
8. Stoppage on the wing with 43 seconds left, O'Brien wins a perfect tap to Jones who completely misjudges it and it falls to his feet so he soccers the ball 2m into a Collingwood player
9. After this, the ball spills clear and Nankervis wins it. O'Brien, who was right there, fails to block a Collingwood player coming from behind him, who is able to tackle Nankervis out of bounds
10. When Rankine was running forward and ultimately called for running too far with 17 seconds left, he had absolutely no support whatsoever with most players too far forward and nothing in an acre of space around the 50

With Jones turning it over and being absolutely terrible, O'Brien shanking it, Laird being ineffective, Keays making a diabolical decision inside 50, Murphy contributing nothing, and Smith having no impact, who stood up?

Very noticeably, it was Dawson, Rankine, Nankervis (special mention to him, he was excellent busting his ass everywhere), then Hinge was decent, Crouch decent but appeared to be benched for the final minutes. Michalanney was constantly providing options on the far wing but we never used him. Soligo played a bit on Nick Daicos who had little to no influence in that period

Also, Nicks' plan to play slow and kick long down the line with a narrow lead, 7 minutes to go, with little to no contested marking power, is idiotic. Especially when down with 2 minutes to go we hugged the boundary and kicked long to packs. No creativity, no switching the play, no attempts to make space. Just players stuffing it up.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Think you forgot - Nicks ain’t taking us to a flag, or even a GF, either.

Or even a final.

 

[huludicidal]

Think you forgot - Nicks ain’t taking us to a flag, or even a GF, either.

Nicks won’t take us to a losing final. He’s the worst coach in the history of the club and it’s really not close.

 

[huludicidal]

Or even a final.

Lol snap

 

[CrowBloke]

Good post, except for:

Bad: Hinge, McHenry, Laird's ball use

26D/16K/10H (dunno DE, though), 7M, 2T, one of his best games for us, I thought.

 

[Scorpus]

Watching Nankervis work in the last minutes of a close game it's absolutely mind blowing he hasn't been a starting player for us all year. He was ****ing fantastic

 

[CrowBloke]

Can you imagine. Up by 1 point with 90 seconds to go. Your ruckman gets free at 40m. And actually kicks the goal.

You're thinking Melbourne/ Gawn.

I was surprised the kick only went to space and not a Pie defender.

 

[CrowBloke]

People like to say that these close losses are a good sign, shows we are competitive.

This!
"Close losses" indicate a losing mentality, if anything; an inability to win.
"Competitive" also means that we lose.

 

[rocket18]

Gotta give credit to Murphy, he looked our most dangerous forward most of the day. Best performance at AFL level. Never thought in a million years he would've kicked that goal either.

His best performance at AFL level? It probably was.

I'd class his first half as OK - he actually did his job.

The second half he had a grand total of 3 disposals - 2 in the 3rd and 1 in the last quarter.

It's pretty sad that we have this as his best performance, we have very low expectations for him.

 

[CrowBloke]

How disturbing to hear it reported that we trained for this particular scenario during the week.

Further proof (though not needed) of Nicks' incompetence.

 

[jackster83]

This!
"Close losses" indicate a losing mentality, if anything; an inability to win.
"Competitive" also means that we lose.

The club treats performances like today and last week as wins. As others said about Nicks gushing in his press conference like we had just pulled off a glorious victory.

Close enough is good enough.

It's a far cry from Walsh being furious after a win in his last game.