Geelong - Food for thought ?

[bungholes_premiers]

I really hope that Cat fans take this for what it is - a simple discussion about how good they really are and not start crying and getting stuck into me for raising it, but .....

My question is what if the cats are not really as good as everyone suggests ?
I mean, last year they were a cut above, granted, however what if that was magnified by the simple fact that everyone else was not as good ?

I mean, did Port deserve to be in the GF ? I don't think so - they JUST made the top 4 because of 2 skin off their ballsack wins late in the season - all in all when a side gets blown away like that in a GF they were not worthy.
So MAYBE the cats had it easy ...

MAYBE the gap has narrowed a fair bit this year and MAYBE they are not coasting the Ws because other teams have stepped up.
What if they don't hit their strides as everyone just expects them to ?

These are all questions i put up for discussion - mind you i think last year they were a serious contender for team of the century, but as can be seen in history - were they THAT good, or was everyone else just THAT bad ??

 

[Exhale You]

The 'everyone else was crap' argument has been done to death.

The fact Geelong are 7-0 this year, despite playing horrible football, is testament to their standing and the quality of their list.

 

[The Casey Cat]

I really hope that Cat fans take this for what it is - a simple discussion about how good they really are and not start crying and getting stuck into me for raising it, but .....

My question is what if the cats are not really as good as everyone suggests ?
I mean, last year they were a cut above, granted, however what if that was magnified by the simple fact that everyone else was not as good ?

I mean, did Port deserve to be in the GF ? I don't think so - they JUST made the top 4 because of 2 skin off their ballsack wins late in the season - all in all when a side gets blown away like that in a GF they were not worthy.
So MAYBE the cats had it easy ...

MAYBE the gap has narrowed a fair bit this year and MAYBE they are not coasting the Ws because other teams have stepped up.
What if they don't hit their strides as everyone just expects them to ?

These are all questions i put up for discussion - mind you i think last year they were a serious contender for team of the century, but as can be seen in history - were they THAT good, or was everyone else just THAT bad ??

Yeah great because we have never heard this before . And started by... you guessed it a Dawk supporter! Who would have thought. I know it's frightening and upsetting for everyone (because of how badly they got hammered by us) but Port were very much the 2nd best side last year. Hell we have lost one match of our last 27! And it was to Port Power. Deal with it ffs.

 

[varcoe]

i think they were and still are very average at best.

Defence is overated, Scarlett really is avg footballer, Harley only looks good next to scarlett, milburn has never been that good of a player, mackie just a skinny kid who cant play, Wojinski fast but thats all.


Midfield is avg, ablett overated, bartel to slow, Corey cant kick, Selwood is no pendlebury, ling can only tag it was just a fluke he kicked 30+ goals, Kelly poor mans Sam mitchell

Rucks - Ottens what a waste of draft picks for that dud, can't play much and is a waste


fwd line - Mooney fluked one good year, Nathan only got a game cause of his dad, the small fwds are all overated. chapman looks toughr then he is, steve j only plays in bursts and Stokes only looks good cause he at geelong


coach - avg coach at best, not good tactically



overall Geelong were lucky to win and i see why so many people think it was just a fluke the way they plyed thru the corridor more then any other team, how they have only lost 1 game since rnd 5 last year is a joke esp considering how bad they have pplayed this year and are 7-0, no real threat this year!

 

[Skeppersap]

I really hope that Cat fans take this for what it is - a simple discussion about how good they really are and not start crying and getting stuck into me for raising it, but .....

My question is what if the cats are not really as good as everyone suggests ?
I mean, last year they were a cut above, granted, however what if that was magnified by the simple fact that everyone else was not as good ?

I mean, did Port deserve to be in the GF ? I don't think so - they JUST made the top 4 because of 2 skin off their ballsack wins late in the season - all in all when a side gets blown away like that in a GF they were not worthy.
So MAYBE the cats had it easy ...

MAYBE the gap has narrowed a fair bit this year and MAYBE they are not coasting the Ws because other teams have stepped up.
What if they don't hit their strides as everyone just expects them to ?

These are all questions i put up for discussion - mind you i think last year they were a serious contender for team of the century, but as can be seen in history - were they THAT good, or was everyone else just THAT bad ??

Yep, I can take it for what it is. A pile of shit!

Was everyone else that bad????? What an absolute joke of a question. I laugh at people who suggest that Geelongs premiership last year was soft just because 'everyone else was that bad'. Whatever helps you sleep at night!

You are just another Hawthorn supporter attempting to assure themselves that they can match it with Geelong. You ,might be able to, Im not sure. But these sorts of questions are raised to try and convince yourselves that you are better. As I said, whatever floats your boat chief!

By the way, perhaps giving some evidence in your posts next time would be good.

 

[G.F.C]

I really hope that Cat fans take this for what it is - a simple discussion about how good they really are and not start crying and getting stuck into me for raising it, but .....

My question is what if the cats are not really as good as everyone suggests ?
I mean, last year they were a cut above, granted, however what if that was magnified by the simple fact that everyone else was not as good ?

I mean, did Port deserve to be in the GF ? I don't think so - they JUST made the top 4 because of 2 skin off their ballsack wins late in the season - all in all when a side gets blown away like that in a GF they were not worthy.
So MAYBE the cats had it easy ...

MAYBE the gap has narrowed a fair bit this year and MAYBE they are not coasting the Ws because other teams have stepped up.
What if they don't hit their strides as everyone just expects them to ?

These are all questions i put up for discussion - mind you i think last year they were a serious contender for team of the century, but as can be seen in history - were they THAT good, or was everyone else just THAT bad ??

23 wins from 24 starts suggests otherwise.........

 

[bungholes_premiers]

Just as suspected ... the catters are crying ... get out the kleenex ...

was only putting it up as a discussion ... but it truly hurts me deeply to be called a "Dawk" supporter ... u got me, can i delete the thread ?

 

[rizzo]

i think they were and still are very average at best.

Defence is overated, Scarlett really is avg footballer, Harley only looks good next to scarlett, milburn has never been that good of a player, mackie just a skinny kid who cant play, Wojinski fast but thats all.


Midfield is avg, ablett overated, bartel to slow, Corey cant kick, Selwood is no pendlebury, ling can only tag it was just a fluke he kicked 30+ goals, Kelly poor mans Sam mitchell

Rucks - Ottens what a waste of draft picks for that dud, can't play much and is a waste


fwd line - Mooney fluked one good year, Nathan only got a game cause of his dad, the small fwds are all overated. chapman looks toughr then he is, steve j only plays in bursts and Stokes only looks good cause he at geelong


coach - avg coach at best, not good tactically



overall Geelong were lucky to win and i see why so many people think it was just a fluke the way they plyed thru the corridor more then any other team, how they have only lost 1 game since rnd 5 last year is a joke esp considering how bad they have pplayed this year and are 7-0, no real threat this year!

Ripper post. It's funny some posters mentalities are just that.

And on the OP, he has made some valid points. To an extent the competition has caught up to us. Maybe not in terms of playing group, but tactically.

They have spent the preseason thinking of ways to slow us down. Thats fine. We aren't the hunter anymore we are the hunted.

Port deserved to get there. Only Collingwood could lay claim to being there. The opposition was irrelevant. Geelong were that fired up we would have beaten any team that day.

Its testament to the side that we are now still 7-0 despite playing very few quarters of football.

Keep in mind we are still playing without Ottens and Egan two handy () KP players.

Whether we win or lose to Hawthorn in round 17 doesn't bother me. As long as we win in September is all that matters.

 

[AngelEyes]

Its more likely that Duddy Franklin isn't any good and its just because there are no good defenders in the league at the moment.

Geelong have looked very good at times this year with their short sharp bursts. I suspect you haven't watched a Geelong game. The problem is they only play a quarter to half a quarter at the level they can. They still have their A game, they are just taking it easy.

 

[The Casey Cat]

Just as suspected ... the catters are crying ... get out the kleenex ...

was only putting it up as a discussion ... but it truly hurts me deeply to be called a "Dawk" supporter ... u got me, can i delete the thread ?

You might as well seeing as it's a complete waste of time and been done to death and proved to be rubbish by our 7-0 start this year despite not being at our best.

 

[djlowz]

Ripper post. It's funny some posters mentalities are just that.

And on the OP, he has made some valid points. To an extent the competition has caught up to us. Maybe not in terms of playing group, but tactically.

They have spent the preseason thinking of ways to slow us down. Thats fine. We aren't the hunter anymore we are the hunted.

Port deserved to get there. Only Collingwood could lay claim to being there. The opposition was irrelevant. Geelong were that fired up we would have beaten any team that day.

Its testament to the side that we are now still 7-0 despite playing very few quarters of football.

Keep in mind we are still playing without Ottens and Egan two handy () KP players.

Whether we win or lose to Hawthorn in round 17 doesn't bother me. As long as we win in September is all that matters.

Very very good post.

 

[bungholes_premiers]

Geelong have looked very good at times this year with their short sharp bursts.

You're right - i only really raise this because in so many threads i'm seeing that its almost a given by so many out there that geelong will almost descend upon its rightful throne at the top without the challenge that is inevitable ...
and in no way am i saying this just cos i'm a "dawk" supporter ...

 

[bungholes_premiers]

Ripper post. It's funny some posters mentalities are just that.

And on the OP, he has made some valid points. To an extent the competition has caught up to us. Maybe not in terms of playing group, but tactically.

They have spent the preseason thinking of ways to slow us down. Thats fine. We aren't the hunter anymore we are the hunted.

Port deserved to get there. Only Collingwood could lay claim to being there. The opposition was irrelevant. Geelong were that fired up we would have beaten any team that day.

Its testament to the side that we are now still 7-0 despite playing very few quarters of football.

Keep in mind we are still playing without Ottens and Egan two handy () KP players.

Whether we win or lose to Hawthorn in round 17 doesn't bother me. As long as we win in September is all that matters.

Good arguements and thats what i was after - why as a geelong supporter would you feel threatened by this thread as the 1st few replies ?
You are the reigning premiers and the rest of the field are doing their best to catch up ...

 

[play2win]

imo geelong are easily the best team since brisbane dominated the comp for 3-4 years, except that they dominated a single season even moreso than what the brisbane team could do in any of their dominant years. (not forgetting port here but it's wins in the big games that count)

to assert themselves as one of the great teams of all time they need to back it up this year. time will tell if they can but right now they haven't been tested against the best teams thus far in 2008, even without that you still cant deny the fact that they are still the best, they are now proven performers.

not ready to blow my bolt just yet but i am hoping that the hawks can offer them a ripping contest in september.

 

[Exhale You]

why as a geelong supporter would you feel threatened by this thread as the 1st few replies ?

Don't confuse one seeing your post for the illogical, repetitive crap it was with feeling threatened.

Hawthorn supporters have vainly tried to take the gloss off our premiership since we won it, that is borne out of envy.

 

[bungholes_premiers]

Don't confuse one seeing your post for the illogical, repetitive crap it was with feeling threatened.

Hawthorn supporters have vainly tried to take the gloss off our premiership since we won it, that is borne out of envy.

Hawthorn supporters are excited that we are seeing a team developing really well with some serious good kids ... dont confuse that with us trying to take any gloss off anything .. thats EXACTLY the sort of shit that made me raise this thread ...

 

[Exhale You]

Hawthorn supporters are excited that we are seeing a team developing really well with some serious good kids ... dont confuse that with us trying to take any gloss off anything .. thats EXACTLY the sort of shit that made me raise this thread ...

You keep trying to take the high moral ground, despite your thread being a subtle troll.

The whole 'was everyone else just crap' argument has been done to death, and funnily enough, more than half the time it has been raised, it's been why Hawthorn fans.
Why do you think that is?

It's envy, you want to be where we are, just as we wanted to be where West Coast was, and Sydney before them.

The bottom line is, as numerous people have said, the 'issues' you raise have been done to death, which is why people are sick of them.

 

[bungholes_premiers]

You keep trying to take the high moral ground, despite your thread being a subtle troll.

The whole 'was everyone else just crap' argument has been done to death, and funnily enough, more than half the time it has been raised, it's been why Hawthorn fans.
Why do you think that is?

It's envy, you want to be where we are, just as we wanted to be where West Coast was, and Sydney before them.

The bottom line is, as numerous people have said, the 'issues' you raise have been done to death, which is why people are sick of them.

1) if its been done to death i'm not here enough to see it
2) if its been done to death why you hit reply
3) if its been done to death why is it dominated by cat responses
4) if it was a troll it would be in the geelong board

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I really hope that Cat fans take this for what it is - a simple discussion about how good they really are and not start crying and getting stuck into me for raising it, but .....

My question is what if the cats are not really as good as everyone suggests ?
I mean, last year they were a cut above, granted, however what if that was magnified by the simple fact that everyone else was not as good ?

I mean, did Port deserve to be in the GF ? I don't think so - they JUST made the top 4 because of 2 skin off their ballsack wins late in the season - all in all when a side gets blown away like that in a GF they were not worthy.
So MAYBE the cats had it easy ...

MAYBE the gap has narrowed a fair bit this year and MAYBE they are not coasting the Ws because other teams have stepped up.
What if they don't hit their strides as everyone just expects them to ?

These are all questions i put up for discussion - mind you i think last year they were a serious contender for team of the century, but as can be seen in history - were they THAT good, or was everyone else just THAT bad ??

you know full well you are trying stir trouble.Asking a question like what if the cats are not as good as everyones suggesting ? how can that be answered ? its a loaded question if their not as good their not as good

was everyone else that bad or did geelong just make everyone look that bad ? no way we can work it out its impossible

as for the gap narrowing time will tell but keep this in mind last year after round 7 geelong were 4 wins and 3 loses .This year they have not lost a game so maybe the gap is only getting bigger.

I read a good quote in the hearald sun that said geelong have no weaknesses just what ifs and that is so true. iff all that what ifs that people want to make up about geelong are true than the cats may be in trouble, but their are what ifs about every side

what If hawthorn cant handle the finals pressure like they did last year ?
what if hodge cant perform in big games again ?
what iff hawthorn are not that good ? they won 8 games in a row back in 01

could do that what ifs for every side

 

[Exhale You]

2) if its been done to death why you hit reply

Because i wanted to highlight the point.

3) if its been done to death why is it dominated by cat responses

Because we're all sick to death of the same 'issue' being raised every week when it's both meaningless and irrelevant.

 

[The Casey Cat]

1) if its been done to death i'm not here enough to see it

That much is obvious.

2) if its been done to death why you hit reply

Because we are sick of hearing it! And sick of all the other rubbish from annoying Hawthorn supporters. You don't want a backlash like this? Leave us the #### alone and don't question the best side we've had in years and the first premiership a lot of us have ever seen.

3) if its been done to death why is it dominated by cat responses?

See above.

4) if it was a troll it would be in the geelong board

If it was a troll against Geelong (as it is, just more subtle) and posted on our board you would be red carded. It is on this board because you posted it here.

you know full well you are trying stir trouble.Asking a question like what if the cats are not as good as everyones suggesting ? how can that be answered ? its a loaded question if their not as good their not as good

was everyone else that bad or did geelong just make everyone look that bad ? no way we can work it out its impossible

as for the gap narrowing time will tell but keep this in mind last year after round 7 geelong were 4 wins and 3 loses .This year they have not lost a game so maybe the gap is only getting bigger.

I read a good quote in the hearald sun that said geelong have no weaknesses just what ifs and that is so true. iff all that what ifs that people want to make up about geelong are true than the cats may be in trouble, but their are what ifs about every side

what If hawthorn cant handle the finals pressure like they did last year ?
what if hodge cant perform in big games again ?
what iff hawthorn are not that good ? they won 8 games in a row back in 01

could do that what ifs for every side

Very well put.

 

[purremiers]

You're right - i only really raise this because in so many threads i'm seeing that its almost a given by so many out there that geelong will almost descend upon its rightful throne at the top without the challenge that is inevitable ...
and in no way am i saying this just cos i'm a "dawk" supporter ...

haha now your changing your words you never said a challenge is inevitable at all....the best you came up with was a rant about last years opposition being no good and suggesting geelong are overrated...your a germ with no idea, i dont see how we can discuss such a pathetic attempt to call geelong pretenders. I think if anything many hawthorn supporters (not all) on BF keep posting this rubbish to deflect from the fact that they havent really proven anything yet this year other than they will hurt you if you dont man up on them and as for being pretenders i think hawthorn holds that title from last year choking badly when it counted!

 

[FunkFarmer]

Don't confuse one seeing your post for the illogical, repetitive crap it was with feeling threatened.

Hawthorn supporters have vainly tried to take the gloss off our premiership since we won it, that is borne out of envy.

awwwww, sounds like somebody needs a hug

 

[Mooney_d'King]

I really hope that Cat fans take this for what it is - a simple discussion about how good they really are and not start crying and getting stuck into me for raising it, but .....

My question is what if the cats are not really as good as everyone suggests ?
I mean, last year they were a cut above, granted, however what if that was magnified by the simple fact that everyone else was not as good ?

I mean, did Port deserve to be in the GF ? I don't think so - they JUST made the top 4 because of 2 skin off their ballsack wins late in the season - all in all when a side gets blown away like that in a GF they were not worthy.
So MAYBE the cats had it easy ...

MAYBE the gap has narrowed a fair bit this year and MAYBE they are not coasting the Ws because other teams have stepped up.
What if they don't hit their strides as everyone just expects them to ?

These are all questions i put up for discussion - mind you i think last year they were a serious contender for team of the century, but as can be seen in history - were they THAT good, or was everyone else just THAT bad ??

I think this is a fair topic. A bit of prodding in it, but why not?. My responses:

My question is what if the cats are not really as good as everyone suggests ?

This is entirely possible going by current form. Personally I hope things start to gel more as the season progresses. If they don't, then we'll be looking shaky at finals time. Having said that, everyone's bringing their A-game out against Geelong now, having had time and a pre-season to analyse us and adjust their own game-plans.

I mean, last year they were a cut above, granted, however what if that was magnified by the simple fact that everyone else was not as good ?

It's going to be mostly the same this year in terms of a number of teams that are up and running EXCEPT Hawthorn look much more likely this year to challenge than any other team last year. I don't LIKE that to be the case, but I think it is. There was some damn good footy played last year and Port was one of those teams playing it, until that one day.

MAYBE the gap has narrowed a fair bit this year and MAYBE they are not coasting the Ws because other teams have stepped up.

The top team often, perhaps usually, looks as if they had it easy because they played so well, so I don't think it so unusual.

Answer me this - who has really stepped up this year, apart from Hawthorn and the Doggies? The Doggies are largely unproven, but should do better. Collingwood has at this point dropped off, the Roos don't look as good as they did, Port have dropped off (but I expect them to get a lot better). The Eagles and Freo have approached basket-case status. So more than anything it's just a rearrangement. Perhaps the field is weaker THIS year rather thn last year.

...but as can be seen in history - were they THAT good, or was everyone else just THAT bad ??

I think it was that they were that good.

 

[KardiniaPark]

I think the hawks supporters need to calm down a bit. Its 7 rounds in ffs.