MRP / Trib. Geelong MRO & Tribunal decisions 2023

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Jurors are Paul Williams, David Neitz

David Neitz

Age

50

Ht

191cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.8

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

4.9

5star

T

0.9

3star

G

2.1

5star

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D

10.4

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

0.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

and Jeff Gleeson (chair).


- Andrew Woods (AFL): Close is holding both of Dawson's arms, therefore depriving him of the opportunity to protect himself and to prevent his head from hitting the ground with force.

- Woods (AFL): Close doesn't just let him fall with his arms pinned, we say there's also a driving action.

- Woods (AFL): Impact is not negligible and it's not low. Dawson's head hits the ground and bounces up ... he's clearly concerned about his nose ... you can still see he's visibly dazed after it occurs, albeit momentarily.

 

[STPer18]

OBJECTION!

 

[Jumping Jack]

OBJECTION!

It's the vibe !!!

 

[cats_09]

Other then the fact Dawson got up holding his face and appeared distressed for a few seconds, while Bruhn didn't react, do you see any difference in the two incidents, because I'm buggered if I can?

Bruhn had an arm free to help protect himself when going to ground

One of the MROs & now AFL's arguments against Close is that he had both of Dawson's arms pinned, which they're arguing meant Dawson couldn't protect himself when going to ground

 

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Bradley Close is present at the hearing, but it appears he will not be giving evidence.

As such, we will have to take it on face value that his name is Bradley Close.

 

[Jumping Jack]

Should Brad Close be cleared - yes

Was he intending to hurt Dawson - don't think so

Will Brad Close be cleared - most likely not.

The AFL has dug a ginormous hole for itself on the head injuries so for the short - medium term, I think we have to expect some rough outcomes at the tribunal. I don't like it anymore than the next person, but for the greater good and for sending the right message to junior levels, I think the AFL has no choice but to hold the line on this.

 

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- Ben Ihle (Geelong): Dawson had prior opportunity & made two decisions. He raised his hands to keep his arms free to try dispose of the ball. He tried to use his considerably greater size and weight to try burst through the tackle, that caused them to fall to the ground.


- Ihle (Geelong) says Close in the lead-up to the tackle is stopping and trying to corral, then Dawson decides not to handball and to try speed past Close.

 

[Cattery]

Bruhn had an arm free to help protect himself when going to ground

One of the MROs & now AFL's arguments against Close is that he had both of Dawson's arms pinned, which they're arguing meant Dawson couldn't protect himself when going to ground

Jurors are Paul Williams, David Neitz and Jeff Gleeson (chair).


- Andrew Woods (AFL): Close is holding both of Dawson's arms, therefore depriving him of the opportunity to protect himself and to prevent his head from hitting the ground with force.

- Woods (AFL): Close doesn't just let him fall with his arms pinned, we say there's also a driving action.

- Woods (AFL): Impact is not negligible and it's not low. Dawson's head hits the ground and bounces up ... he's clearly concerned about his nose ... you can still see he's visibly dazed after it occurs, albeit momentarily.

Gone methinks.

 

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- Ihle (Geelong) points out Dawson is six-foot-three "in the old language", 191 centimetres "in the new language" and 91 kilos.

Ihle adds Close is "70.1 kilos".


- Ihle (Geelong): I suggest that even in the modern game it was reasonable for Brad Close to approach this contest in the way he did.

 

[Jumping Jack]

Gone methinks.

Yep - both arms pinned and a players head hits the ground. Regardless of severity or Close's intentions, it precisely what the AFL don't want.

 

[Gunf]

If Close doesn't get off no tackle cited this year that isn't a Brownlow favourite will

 

[Jumping Jack]

- Ihle (Geelong) points out Dawson is six-foot-three "in the old language", 191 centimetres "in the new language" and 91 kilos.

Ihle adds Close is "70.1 kilos".


- Ihle (Geelong): I suggest that even in the modern game it was reasonable for Brad Close to approach this contest in the way he did.

Arrangements being made for the gallows to be installed in Fed Square.

Poor Bradley will be swinging from the hangman's noose by 6pm

 

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What I'm confused with our defence here - Ihle (Geelong) is trying to argue that Dawson contributed to the outcome, that it was his momentum which saw both players go to ground & Close didn't have an alternative way to approach things

BUT, Close isn't going to give evidence - shouldn't we want to hear from Close about his interpretation of what happened, and how he felt it played out?

 

[Spearman]

A Close suspension necessarily means players are being directed not to tackle a player whose momentum is already carrying them forward. Absurd. Can’t wait for that outcome.

so clubs should start recruiting US football fullbacks and utilize them as the same way as they do in gridiron. Pick up the ball, and go straight ahead hard.

 

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- Ihle (Geelong): It's not Brad Close that brings Dawson to ground. It's Dawson that brings Close to ground.


- Ihle (Geelong): It was Dawson that took the tackle in the direction it went, it was Dawson that brought the two of them towards the ground, it was Dawson who lost his footy, it was Dawson who chose to hold onto the ball.

Editorial summary: It was Dawson.

 

[Gunf]

What I'm confused with our defence here - Ihle (Geelong) is trying to argue that Dawson contributed to the outcome, that it was his momentum which saw both players go to ground & Close didn't have an alternative way to approach things

BUT, Close isn't going to give evidence - shouldn't we want to hear from Close about his interpretation of what happened, and how he felt it played out?

He is correct in that Dawson contributed to the tackle ending how it did but **** me i would love to get a decent lawyer.

 

[STPer18]

Why would Dawson do this? Give him a week.

 

[Kitcat]

I would submit that Close's long sleeves cushioned the impact with the ground.

 

[Gunf]

- Ihle (Geelong): It's not Brad Close that brings Dawson to ground. It's Dawson that brings Close to ground.


- Ihle (Geelong): It was Dawson that took the tackle in the direction it went, it was Dawson that brought the two of them towards the ground, it was Dawson who lost his footy, it was Dawson who chose to hold onto the ball.

Editorial summary: It was Dawson.

It was Dawson your honour all Dawson Close wasn't even at the ground .... all Dawson nothing but Dawson **** me our lawyers are stupid

 

[calder_daddy]

Where are you getting these updates from cats_09 ?

 

[Jumping Jack]

He is correct in that Dawson contributed to the tackle ending how it did but * me i would love to get a decent lawyer.

The prosecution will argue that Close was at fault in that he was acting inappropriately and trying to mount Dawson, and ride him like a beaten favourite.

 

[you pick one]

What I'm confused with our defence here - Ihle (Geelong) is trying to argue that Dawson contributed to the outcome, that it was his momentum which saw both players go to ground & Close didn't have an alternative way to approach things

BUT, Close isn't going to give evidence - shouldn't we want to hear from Close about his interpretation of what happened, and how he felt it played out?

I'd like it mentioned how a hand on an opponents bicep constitutes an arm pinned especially in the case where the tackled player has the size advantage that's our chance.

 

[Gunf]

I'd like it mentioned how a hand on an opponents bicep constitutes an arm pinned especially in the case where the tackled player has the size advantage that's our chance.

And tried to raise his arms.

And had the opportunity to handball but refused

 

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Where are you getting these updates from cats_09 ?

Fox Footy online has a live tribunal feed, which I've opened in

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Can also follow, David Zita on Twitter as the online feed is based on his tweets:

 

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- Ihle (Geelong): If the AFL intended when it promulgated these rules that all dangerous tackles where the head hits the ground should be 'medium' impact, it would have said so. It hasn't.

For added effect, the line is repeated

- Ihle (Geelong): If the AFL intended when it promulgated these rules that all dangerous tackles where the head hits the ground should be 'medium' impact, it would have said so. It hasn't.