No Oppo Supporters General AFL Discussion #13 - Carlton Posters ONLY!

[HarryFlashman]

There was cctv footage.
It very much sounds like it was the footage that ensured the penalties.

On The Age Real Footy podcast which came out late last night, Jake Niall, Pete Ryan and Michael Gleeson said that having talked to people who had seen it, the players would definitely get weeks.

Stupid shit should be stamped out but it’s a real slippery slope to be reviewing CCTV footage after the fact of what I reckon they believed was a closed room & someone taking offense leading to sanctions.

Stupid is stupid, but where do u draw the line?

There’s a heap of footage in the rooms of players slapping each other on the butt - that’s sexual assault, there’s no consent & if someone watching at home is triggered or offended by that, is it sanctionable?
Extreme example but that’s kinda my point

More effective punishment I would think, would be education and community service for everyone.
Make them understand & appreciate the gravity of their stupidity.

 

[Stamos]

Stupid shit should be stamped out but it’s a real slippery slope to be reviewing CCTV footage after the fact of what I reckon they believed was a closed room & someone taking offense leading to sanctions.

Stupid is stupid, but where do u draw the line?

There’s a heap of footage in the rooms of players slapping each other on the butt - that’s sexual assault, there’s no consent & if someone watching at home is triggered or offended by that, is it sanctionable?
Extreme example but that’s kinda my point

More effective punishment I would think, would be education and community service for everyone.
Make them understand & appreciate the gravity of their stupidity.

When you hear that’s it’s skits in a private room, you can’t believe there would be suspensions.

But there was a complaint, and it sounds like the footage was so damning that they shouldn’t be surprised.

 

[agro]

Big Brother is everyone’s mobile phone.

 

[ctwenty1]

Stupid shit should be stamped out but it’s a real slippery slope to be reviewing CCTV footage after the fact of what I reckon they believed was a closed room & someone taking offense leading to sanctions.

Stupid is stupid, but where do u draw the line?

There’s a heap of footage in the rooms of players slapping each other on the butt - that’s sexual assault, there’s no consent & if someone watching at home is triggered or offended by that, is it sanctionable?
Extreme example but that’s kinda my point

More effective punishment I would think, would be education and community service for everyone.
Make them understand & appreciate the gravity of their stupidity.

Nah

They showed who they are

Call it out and punish them

That can be their education

 

[Lace_Out]

American bartender, male, is the person who complained by all acounts. Probably cause he was offended by the PDiddy skit (being way too patriotic).

Give me a spell.

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[Robbo's my hero]

Elliott, Sidebottom, Pendlebury, Howe, Crisp, Mihocek are all 31+. Mihocek has been durable, but Howe and Crisp - 34 and 31 respectively - have both been rather fragile, susceptable to losing large amounts of footy. ATM, these are the players - alongside Moore, Nick Daicos and Cox (only sometimes) - who get them going when things are against them. Pendles and Sidebottom have been durable, but should they go their replacements simply aren't going to of the same caliber nor are they going to have their durability.

Houston helps their whole shtick only while they have that critical mass of players. Pendles, Sidebottom, Howe and Elliott go down or retire, he's not nearly enough alone to stop the bleeding.

They are old and time catches up with everyone. Pendlebury and Sidebottom’s durability and standards are unique. I think you meant Howe and Elliott. Crisp hasn’t missed a game in 10 seasons.

 

[Blue Pulse]

WOW

I wonder if channel 9 reported on it after what has come out recently of their toxic work environment?

 

[Robbo's my hero]

I love this whole idea that privacy somehow protects you from acting like a knob. You wouldn’t honestly want to hang out with anyone who behaved like this. There are lots of things that are humorous in life but this puerile rubbish copped what it deserved.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

I love this whole idea that privacy somehow protects you from acting like a knob. You wouldn’t honestly want to hang out with anyone who behaved like this. There are lots of things that are humorous in life but this puerile rubbish copped what it deserved.

Do we know what the puerile rubbish was ? Has that been 'released'...?

 

[Stamos]

Do we know what the puerile rubbish was ? Has that been 'released'...?

Yes.

Greater Western Sydney player Josh Fahey has been suspended for four games after dressing up as former NRL player Jarryd Hayne and simulating sex with an inflatable doll at the Giants’ controversial post-season function.

GWS players banned, fined over ‘completely unacceptable’ dress-up antics

Greater Western Sydney player Josh Fahey has been suspended for four games after dressing up as former NRL player Jarryd Hayne and simulating sex with an inflatable doll at the Giants’ controversial post-season function.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Navy Cream]

Yes.

GWS players banned, fined over ‘completely unacceptable’ dress-up antics

Greater Western Sydney player Josh Fahey has been suspended for four games after dressing up as former NRL player Jarryd Hayne and simulating sex with an inflatable doll at the Giants’ controversial post-season function.

www.theage.com.au

Makes me wonder how Toby Green got All-Australian Captain over P.Cripps a few years ago

 

[El Topo]

Hilarious and absurd for Andrew Dillon to be castigating Idun for racial insensitivity

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Yes.

GWS players banned, fined over ‘completely unacceptable’ dress-up antics

Greater Western Sydney player Josh Fahey has been suspended for four games after dressing up as former NRL player Jarryd Hayne and simulating sex with an inflatable doll at the Giants’ controversial post-season function.

www.theage.com.au

Right. Yeah that's what I thought. Gross

Definitely reminds me of this

 

[Keyza]

American bartender, male, is the person who complained by all acounts. Probably cause he was offended by the PDiddy skit (being way too patriotic).

Give me a spell.

Sent from my SM-G998B using Tapatalk

I wonder if this was the bartender who sold alcohol to intoxicated people.

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

I wonder if this was the bartender who sold alcohol to intoxicated people.

Which is likely why the NSW dept of liquor & gaming are now undertaking an "investigation" also

 

[DangerousD]

Stupid is stupid, but where do u draw the line?

I think most people know where the line is, taking the piss out of victims of rape or taking the piss out of the murder of thousands of people is going to get you in trouble in lots of workplaces.

More so skits, jokes or simulations of sexual assaults given the AFLs work in the space regarding violence against women.

If that happened at our club, i think the punishment would have been harsher, Greene supposedly fined as he is the captain and didn’t put a stop to it.

 

[Broadside]

Good to know the AFL has taken a strong stance on this issue. The moral guardians of our sport. Brought to you by Sportsbet.

 

[PezzDogg95]

Fwiw, I see why they've topped up with Houston. Their list profile is clearly for the here and now.

I still don't think they'll be strong enough next season anyway but I get why they're putting their chips all in.

I just think the fall off will be more significant than they may be expecting.

I'm fascinated by their list profile, it is all chips in with absolutely no back up plans. Rumours of adding Membrey and Tomlinson are absolutely baffling, they will be the oldest list by far this year, with an even older best 22.

They have to win a flag in the next 3 years for the move to pay off, because in 4-5 years time they will be feeling a lot of pain list profile wise.

Players who have one season left, or are already past expiry:

• S Pendlebury, slowed massively in 2024, should've gone out on top in '23, will be 38 in 2026
• J Howe, had injury issues during career, will be 36 in 2026
• S Sidebottom, see Pendlebury, will be 35 in 2026
• M Cox, role player, cliff will come quickly, will be 35 in 2026

Players who should retire end of '25, but club will keep around an extra year:

• J Elliott, had big injuries over his career, one injury from retirement, will be 33 end of 2025
• T Mitchell, game has gone past him as a slow, small inside mid, pushed out of team, will be 33 in 2026
• W Hoskin-Elliott, handy role player, will be 32 end of 2025

Others:

• J Crisp, 3 more years, retire approx 34 y.o.
• B Mihocek, 2-3 more years, retire approx 34-35 y.o.
• D McStay, had injuries, 3 more years, retire approx 32 y.o.

That's 8-9 best 22 players who are all still playing key roles (plus Tom Mitchell).

The following will also be in the 32+ range in 3 years:
- D Moore, J De Goey, B Maynard, D Cameron (+ B Frampton & O Markov) (+ potentially T Membrey & A Tomlinson)

7 players to go from as soon as next year plus any delistings of other players who don't cut the grade (like A Johnson, L Sullivan etc, who are both 28 end of 2025).

They have no first round pick next year and their 2nd likely tied up in Tom McGuane (Sidebottom replacement), and no likely capital from tradeable assets.

On top of this there isn't much in the 25 and under category (N Daicos aside). Quaynor & Bobby Hill (both 25 by start of 2025 season) are excellent complementary pieces, but aren't part of the cake. McCreery and Harrison are decent role players. Parker could end up a handy role player. Ed Allen was decent in his last game of the season. Cupboard pretty bare.



TL;DR

This is an old team, with no real chance to get youth in until the 2026 draft, just in time for all the young talent to be sent to Tasmania...

They will be in a bad way in 3-4 years time, they need to win a flag or two before that to make it worthwhile and attractive to free agents, otherwise welcome home to Carlton Nick Daicos (RFA in 2029).

 

[Wickzki]

This is an old team, with no real chance to get youth in until the 2026 draft, just in time for all the young talent to be sent to Tasmania...

They will be in a bad way in 3-4 years time, they need to win a flag or two before that to make it worthwhile and attractive to free agents, otherwise welcome home to Carlton Nick Daicos (RFA in 2029).

They are an old team too reliant on key position players coming off injuries.

If they can space out their retirements to 1-2 a year they'll replace them with free agents.

Don't think they're concerned about younger players when they expect to be able to keep topping up.

 

[goreds]

I have a question.

How on earth are Hawthorn 2nd favorites for next year's flag???

Am I missing something???

 

[ctwenty1]

I have a question.

How on earth are Hawthorn 2nd favorites for next year's flag???

Am I missing something???

A young side just missed out on a prelim

They have improved their defence and will have growth in their youth

And their game style is seen as "it"

Not saying they should be second favourite, just understand why some people may think so

 

[goreds]

A young side just missed out on a prelim

They have improved their defence and will have growth in their youth

And their game style is seen as "it"

Not saying they should be second favourite, just understand why some people may think so

Like our game style, it will get pulled apart by the tacticians at each club and exploited.

Not sure they have enough A graders to really challenge.

 

[PezzDogg95]

They are an old team too reliant on key position players coming off injuries.

If they can space out their retirements to 1-2 a year they'll replace them with free agents.

Don't think they're concerned about younger players when they expect to be able to keep topping up.

They can top up all they like, they have a hole in the bottom of their bucket thats getting bigger. They need a flag in the next 3 years because they will fall off a cliff.

Could be as many as 7 retirements next year, however likely to be 4 or so

 

[Wickzki]

They can top up all they like, they have a hole in the bottom of their bucket thats getting bigger. They need a flag in the next 3 years because they will fall off a cliff.

Could be as many as 7 retirements next year, however likely to be 4 or so

Think they have a loyal bunch who will space it out at a max of 3 per year.

If they do that they'll be able to top up via free agency even if they never do much in the draft.

For example, they don't need to replace Pendles at his best only what he offers on field in his final years. He's already handed down as much of the intangibles as he possibly could.

The hole isn't the age. It's key position players. Relying too much on players who had down/injured years in 2024. Moore wasn't close to his best without Murphy down back and they haven't / can't replace him.

If their keys don't get back to their best and/or aren't healthy their structures will be out of whack like this year.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Think they have a loyal bunch who will space it out at a max of 3 per year.

If they do that they'll be able to top up via free agency even if they never do much in the draft.

For example, they don't need to replace Pendles at his best only what he offers on field in his final years. He's already handed down as much of the intangibles as he possibly could.

The hole isn't the age. It's key position players. Relying too much on players who had down/injured years in 2024. Moore wasn't close to his best without Murphy down back and they haven't / can't replace him.

If their keys don't get back to their best and/or aren't healthy their structures will be out of whack like this year.

You are not getting too many free agents under the salary cap if you are offering the likes of Perryman close to $900k per year.