Rumour GFC 2017 Player Trading, Drafting, FA, Rumours, and Wish lists - PT2

[BigCat1]

port adelaide dont have a magic war chest

wells is playing a smart game for once
1. he told gc to f off and be sensible, or f off again, ablett will be a bundle of players who are going up to gc for super/retirement
2. watts wants geelong, as he doesnt want to move, melb are asking a lot in order to satisfy the crows and not wipe them too much
3. stringer, essendon will simply not do the deal, they are fd

what everyone is waiting for is for dominoes to fall, and none are falling,
once one does the rest will follow

ie is essendon trade p11 for smith and say pick 30, it means the dogs cant ask for a pick they dont have
p30 can then be moved to gc

motlop is milking this as he had no real interest months ago -

Inside source again? Stringer will not be at the Geelong Football Club

 

[Eudes]

Are people here really suggesting Wells is playing the media game? Those who believe this are really clutching IMO.

As much as I'd probably like Wells to have a bit of car salesman in him, it's simply not in his makeup. He is as pure as the snow is white. As a Cats fan, if there's one thing I've learnt over the years its that you can take Wells statements literally, including in trade period.

The man is straight-up honest. If he says it's unlikely, it's likely very unlikely! In fact, it was about this time in trade period last year he said Deledio was "unlikely". Of course, all of us with shopping lists didn't believe him until the clock ticked down. Feel free to not believe him again, but I'd strongly advise preparing for disappointment if you wanna go that route.

Although I tend to agree about this Wells statement, he did say something along the lines of "at this point in time it's unlikely" which suggestes circumstances may change.

Why show interest in both Stringer and Watts in the first place, if you can't land them?

Clearly we can but it's obvious it all hinges on A) what the opposition club will accept and B) what he is willing to give up.

 

[Mahlepi]

Inside source again? Stringer will not be at the Geelong Football Club

wells has not had things play the way he was structured up for
motlop will be a bonus as there is a chance for a pick 19, and that was not on the cards

 

[ChappyUK]

If it wasn't for the Lever trade Melbourne would be giving Watts away for steak knives. Just need to hold the course and wait for the dominoes to fall.

Biggest loser out of this is going to be the Bombers I feel. You can be stubborn with one trade but when you are trying to get 3 players in you have to give ground eventually. This doesn't appear like it's in the Bombers nature.

 

[zb14]

Although I tend to agree about this Wells statement, he did say something along the lines of "at this point in time it's unlikely" which suggestes circumstances may change.

Why show interest in both Stringer and Watts in the first place, if you can't land them?

Clearly we can but it's obvious it all hinges on A) what the opposition club will accept and B) what he is willing to give up.

I agree Wells left the door slightly ajar re Watts and also Stringer for that matter. Deals aren't over the line in either case, and suitors are minimal, so that is prudent.

To answer your question more broadly I need to address my view on Wells. You see, I think he's an old school head recruiter, but not the right man to be a List Manager today in the player-empowered, free agency market.

I want Wells watching youth footy, state league footy, and calling out names on draft night. Those are his skills. I don't think he's the man to interact with player managers, do contracts, and deal with other list managers personally. Ideally, you want someone a little more heavy-handed than Wells in that role IMO.

The way I see it, we now operate in a player-driven market. Contracts no longer count for much. Two thirds of the battle is in getting your target to "nominate" you, driving a hard trade bargain is the end game, really, these days. I just feel like Wells is trying to play the clean and fair game amongst an increasingly dirty and ruthless group of peers. I doubt the old school principles he's operated with for so long will be very useful in the "trading game" going forward. Just my 2c

 

[ChappyUK]

I agree Wells left the door slightly ajar re Watts and also Stringer for that matter. Deals aren't over the line in either case, and suitors are minimal, so that is prudent.

To answer your question more broadly I need to address my view on Wells. You see, I think he's an old school head recruiter, but not the right man to be a List Manager today in the player-empowered, free agency market.

I want Wells watching youth footy, state league footy, and calling out names on draft night. Those are his skills. I don't think he's the man to interact with player managers, do contracts, and deal with other list managers personally. Ideally, you want someone a little more heavy-handed than Wells in that role IMO.

The way I see it, we now operate in a player-driven market. Contracts no longer count for much. Two thirds of the battle is in getting your target to "nominate" you, driving a hard trade bargain is the end game, really, these days. I just feel like Wells is trying to play the clean and fair game amongst an increasingly dirty and ruthless group of peers. I doubt the old school principles he's operated with for so long will be very useful in the "trading game" going forward. Just my 2c

In Wells we rust.

 

[ijaxcat]

Did i read that correctly did that say that Melbourne wouldnt take pick 20 for Watts? If so they can GAGF, lucky to be worth a pick in the 20s at all.

If Caddy was worth 24 to Richmond, I think Watts is worth 20 to us.
Was having a good year until hamstring, this year.
2016 averaged 16 poss. 6.5 marks. 40 goals.
Good decisions, doesn't turn it over, probably best kick for goal in AFL.
I have watched all of his games in the last few years and I like him.

 

[zb14]

I am confused by suggestions Watts hinges on the Mots compo. If Wells thinks 20 is too much, then why would 19 be any different? Likewise with 33 or 34. Just because we may get an extra pick surely doesn't mean you value it any differently. That would be terrible list management.

Similarly, I am very confused that several of the posters who have claimed draft picks are the "most overrated commodity in football" are now advocating going to the draft this year.

How does this mesh with our overall list managenent approach? If we are now going down this road it might have been better to hit the draft with 9 and 28 in 2015, our R1 in 2016, and our R1 in 2017. Are we all in, or are we not? Because to me, the worst place to be is a little each way, because that leads you to nowhere. I think we are a confused club in recent years, both on and off field. And I suspect that's the case because not everyone at the club is on the same page philosophically. For ex, Scott wants readymades, admin/club patron want Ablett, Wells wants to draft and develop. So everyone gets a bit of everything.

 

[ijaxcat]

Sloane will be Saints bound if he decides to return to Victoria.

Grew up a massive St. Kilda fan, he will nominate them.

Great mates with Danger and surfing mad, could easily be persuaded.

 

[ChappyUK]

2019. Danger, Selwood, Ablett, Duncan and Sloane. Could live with that.

 

[Boxhead_31]

I am confused by suggestions Watts hinges on the Mots compo. If Wells thinks 20 is too much, then why would 19 be any different? Likewise with 33 or 34. Just because we may get an extra pick surely doesn't mean you value it any differently. That would be terrible list management.

There must be a player around the 20 area that Stephen has his eye on and doesn't want to risk missing out on

 

[ChappyUK]

There must be a player around the 20 area that Stephen has his eye on and doesn't want to risk missing out on

Which Falcon fits the bill?

 

[catstragic]

North: Lang + 10 / Pick 4
Cats: Watts / Lang
Dees: Pick 4 / Watts + 10

If north would go for it ripper, the kangas probably overpaying for lang skipping from 4th to 10th though. or maybe not. really tough one to call, which usually means its about right.

 

[catstragic]

If it wasn't for the Lever trade Melbourne would be giving Watts away for steak knives. Just need to hold the course and wait for the dominoes to fall.

Biggest loser out of this is going to be the Bombers I feel. You can be stubborn with one trade but when you are trying to get 3 players in you have to give ground eventually. This doesn't appear like it's in the Bombers nature.

Well to be fair they just don't have enough chips to bring in 3 solid mature players without swapping someone out. whether they are generous or not, they just dont have the capital as it stands.

 

[Deep]

If north would go for it ripper, the kangas probably overpaying for lang skipping from 4th to 10th though. or maybe not. really tough one to call, which usually means its about right.

Think North would be thrilled that someone would want to play there yet alone a former first round pick.

 

[Spearman]

Motlop is definitely an issue.

The other factor too is it was pretty clear from Connors interview that Watts is reluctant to leave Vic so if either he rejects Port on that basis or if they have to lower the $ they offered him (for example because they have to up the $ they offer Motlop to match GC/Adel) then Melbourne will have to come back and deal with us (as they are pushing Watts out) so the smart play for us is to wait rather than trade early at Melbourne's top price.

I'm not a poker player, but I'd love to play some against some the posters in this board. What was it that that old bull said to the young bull while looking down at the herd of cows? I think Wells and co. know what they are doing. We don't have to trade in new veterans every year. The clarity of vision for what the team will look like in a few years time has got to be paramount. Albeit staying up while we bring up that next generation, which is what I think the big picture is for the club.

 

[Neddy1]

Conners manages Watts (and Danger) he will be well aware there is plenty of money to be made in Geelong outside of playing football.
I can't see money being the issue.


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[ChappyUK]

Conners manages Watts (and Danger) he will be well aware there is plenty of money to be made in Geelong outside of playing football.
I can't see money being the issue.


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In meth?


Sorry opposition post.

 

[ijaxcat]

2019. Danger, Selwood, Ablett, Duncan and Sloane. Could live with that.

That would be the greatest midfield in the history of the game

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Not about us but Jim is class. Very astute football person.

 

[Turbocat]

I tend to agree
Motlop going to GC us getting pick 19 as compo
Then we trade 19 for ablett and a mid late 20s pick (either this year or a 2018 one if we want points for brownless) is the logical deal.

If motlop doesn't go to GC i struggle to see how the Ablett deal will get done without a 3rd club involved.

Why is that? To me as long as the Mot comp is Band 2..which means whoever he decides to play for...has to pay him enough that it delivers Band2. What am I missing?

Is it you think only GC will pay that Band2 amount?

Im sure GC would like a player to actually choose them , they must by now be aware that its not just geelong being obstinate and that they really are not that appealing to in system players...with choices. Like it or not they may have to go back to draft to reverse this trend. And what would be very unnerving is next year .. they know they probably only have so much time to convince Lynch that he will have a chance to play for a competitive side. Clubs will be coming at him soon , if they aren't already...and thus they may not have a blank check for Motlop. He could easily be the first 2m player next year. I doubt anyone gets him as a FA.

Really its an example of why Push trades would be able to help a side like this..but good luck trying to get that in. This is an example of the players knowing when they are on a good thing. "Why would I leave GFC to go there?" Even players like GHS , who I thought would move for opportunity money etc.. would prefer to stay in geelong according to his manger.

 

[dazbroncos]

Maybe we should have offered him a contract instead of shoving him out the door

Must be all the cheese in your ears.

Wells clearly stated that Lang and Menz will have a home at Geelong after they have explored their options should they choose to stay.

Now it may not be the contract of their preferred terms but it certainly does not sound like they are being pushed out the door.

Go Catters

 

[Turbocat]

Not about us but Jim is class. Very astute football person.

Bartel has surprised me ... maybe I just had not heard him like this enough. Very strong in his opinions and knowledgable.Id always expect him to have a feel for Geelong players but he has demonstrated a knowledge on a wide range of players. On GC its almost like he has has some input form someone very close to the issues... how often have the all played together , what types of players did they recruit , playing out of potables etc..

 

[Turbocat]

Lang will go to North or Carlton i think.

and that choice makes it good for us..if North wants him. No PSD. Could North cough a decent pick for him. The rep of this years draft will probably help ..what picks do North have atm?

 

[ShaunWDT]

Whoever suggested we let Motlop go to Gold Coast then trade his compo pick for Ablett and a 2nd rounder has no idea... Not allowed to do that.