Rumour GFC 2018 Player Trading, Drafting, FA, Rumours, and Wish lists - PT3

[BUSTER29]

Saw Jackson Thurlow liked a tweet from Tom Bellchambers about his contract extension.

Tin Foil Hat Theory that Thurlow will be off to the Bombers at seasons end

Wouldn't blame Thurlow if he did go.
Well down the pecking order now it seems.

 

[Turbocat]

For the record I actually think getting Cerra in exchange for Kelly would be highway robbery, much as I love Kelly. He's worth a pick in the mid to late teens imo, whereas Cerra should still be worth a top 10.

Highway robbery is hardly how id describe it.. both are contracted so it will not happen anyway. The best we get out of Freo is their Future R1 imo.

 

[Landgraft]

Highway robbery is hardly how id describe it.. both are contracted so it will not happen anyway. The best we get out of Freo is their Future R1 imo.

Future first is still progress. Probably leads us to consider trading some future picks of our own, too.

I just see Cerra as the much more valuable asset, in regards to a Kelly trade. Which is not to diminish Kelly so much as stress Cerra's blue chip status.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Perhaps.. Id leave it to others to quantify the vague and nefarious offerings that some ruckman bring apart from being tall.... yet when you see one who is a gun they usually standout. To me he is someone has yet to show he can do it as the number 1 guy.. can he actually be influential... Id prefer someone what has shown that he can do that or go with a young guy who has the potential to be elite. Plenty of Flags have been won with rucks of moderate talent, I can see the logic in bringing him in.. with only dollars to be spent and it perhaps only costing us a list spot.

I liked the young kid on Gold Coast list atm. green as grass for sure but every time I watch him he is bowling someone over or taking a mark or having a shot at goal. I have not seen that in Lycett. He looks more like a tall uncoordinated type.. Question, how would you say he compares to Mark Blake?

Compared to Blake? Lycett likes physical contact, goes looking for it, lays blocks for his followers at every chance he gets and lays solid jarring tackles, his tap work is the same as Blakes he can hit it to any section of the circle that is required by the setup.

The major difference is he has good ball skills. Can take a mark in a contest and when going forward can be relied upon to finish off the work done by those up the ground. Around the ground, he hits his targets well both by hand or foot, though haven't seen him use his nondominant foot too much. Knows where to run and when doesn't get caught in no man's land is either the kick behind the play or pushing up to provide an option

He is more a Mumford than a Blake is what I've taken away from watching him this year and I've watched all the WC games just to see how he is going

 

[Turbocat]

Compared to Blake? Lycett likes physical contact, goes looking for it, lays blocks for his followers at every chance he gets and lays solid jarring tackles, his tap work is the same as Blakes he can hit it to any section of the circle that is required by the setup.

The major difference is he has good ball skills. Can take a mark in a contest and when going forward can be relied upon to finish off the work done by those up the ground. Around the ground, he hits his targets well both by hand or foot, though haven't seen him use his nondominant foot too much. Knows where to run and when doesn't get caught in no man's land is either the kick behind the play or pushing up to provide an option

He is more a Mumford than a Blake is what I've taken away from watching him this year and I've watched all the WC games just to see how he is going

Mumford...gees that not what I have seen when I have watched him.. closer to Blake or Peter Street than Mumford ok .. I look forward to seeing just how conveniently clumsy he is .and how many guys he shirt fronts..

 

[Turbocat]

Watching the champs... the allies have a GWS NGA ruckman Kieren Briggs .. that id say the GWS will draft if he just goes thru to their late pick... Interesting prospect.

 

[ShaunWDT]

Murphy signs a 2 year deal.

 

[catempire]

Murphy signs a 2 year deal.

Excellent.

 

[The rabbi]

We can forget about Murphy and move on now.

 

[Mahlepi]

Time to look hard at our stupid trades and drafts.

Is ablett better value this year and next v devons smith for 7 years - NO
but we could have had both instead of being rolled on a stupid trade
ablett cant tackle, and is exposed, should never have been traded for more than what sam mitchell netted hawks, seriously one of the worst trades

Drafting abbott - what for, at his age he was a known quanity
looking at mckernan, one wonders why we waste decent picks on speculatives

pick 20 odd for M. Clark
this is seriously demented

drafting injured players with first round picks, one after, after another
we lucked it with joel, but seriously sometimes they were not to be traded early

keeping injured players too long, and gifting players new homes

time to get a sense of ruthlessness, rather than this softly softly

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Drafting abbott - what for, at his age he was a known quanity

House and Abbott are increasingly looking like absolute WTF draft picks. Abbott was some mature-age nobody from the GFL. If you're going to pick someone that old, they have to be ready to go now and he clearly wasn't.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

There is no dominant list management strategy in terms of delivering premierships. And I 100% guarantee you that without topping up in 2016 Richmond would not be a force in the competition.

That doesn't necessarily mean I want Murphy or don't think we should hit the draft, but let's not have some false dichotomy. We should continue to balance all recruitment streams to manage our list. For example getting Murphy in on at a low enough price might provide coverage to make other, longer term moves. If the price is too high then don't bother and move onto someone else.

Yeah I agree it's a balancing act, but don't forget we won 3-flags with just 3 players from other clubs (Harley, Mooney & Ottens) The majority of our premierships stars were drafted and developed by us. I feel we've gone too hard with trades and free agency in recent times. We've picked up some gems, but we have picked up some serious duds from other clubs too. I realise the landscape has shifted with FA, but drafting and developing your own players is a proven method of success, not always, but it has been. We need to get the balance right. I want us to hit the draft pretty hard the next couple of years, if we can afford a FA who won't require giving up any draft picks for, then all good.

 

[Mahlepi]

Yeah I agree it's a balancing act, but don't forget we won 3-flags with just 3 players from other clubs (Harley, Mooney & Ottens) The majority of our premierships stars were drafted and developed by us. I feel we've gone too hard with trades and free agency in recent times. We've picked up some gems, but we have picked up some serious duds from other clubs too. I realise the landscape has shifted with FA, but drafting and developing your own players is a proven method of success, not always, but it has been. We need to get the balance right. I want us to hit the draft pretty hard the next couple of years, if we can afford a FA who won't require giving up any draft picks for, then all good.

our drafting has been poor
in the last 10 years review who we have drafted and it looks pretty bad

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

our drafting has been poor
in the last 10 years review who we have drafted and it looks pretty bad

I agree we have had some poor drafting in recent times. We've blown some first round picks which we are feeling the effects from, no doubt. But this is exactly why we need to hit the draft hard the next couple of years and try to get some good long-term players. Last year's crop looks promising. We need to develop our own a bit more, this is something we have gone away from a bit. But yeah we should certainly be looking at mid 20's free agents who don't require us to cough up picks for. Free agents in their early 30's like Murphy I think are a waste of time.

 

[peerless]

Any big names back this week?

 

[frggr]

Rumours Murphy has re-signed with Carlton?

 

[Turbocat]

Yeah I agree it's a balancing act, but don't forget we won 3-flags with just 3 players from other clubs (Harley, Mooney & Ottens) The majority of our premierships stars were drafted and developed by us. I feel we've gone too hard with trades and free agency in recent times. We've picked up some gems, but we have picked up some serious duds from other clubs too. I realise the landscape has shifted with FA, but drafting and developing your own players is a proven method of success, not always, but it has been. We need to get the balance right. I want us to hit the draft pretty hard the next couple of years, if we can afford a FA who won't require giving up any draft picks for, then all good.

Yes.. Mooney Harley and Ottens ... and we also got to draft several FSons two KPF , one ruck ..and we built the list based on an extended period out of contention , allowing us to have several picks in single figures and we also blanketed a couple of drafts by trading out players... all this gave us a select group of players to develop from the draft.

We can try to build from the draft ..and I'm all for that ..as I was advocating last year and this and would like us to get a 2nd R1 ..but its probably improbable to get one. As good as we are at developing talent ie get the most you get out of the player you have drafted.. we probably have to try to get higher standard of player to develop.. because what we are trying to do till now is borderline unique. Selwood is the last player on our list we drafted inside top 10... Has there been a team who has ever won the flags without a drafted player inside the top 10 ? I doubt it.. Ideally that player is at his best inside his best footy years..which I don't think Joel is ..and most Flag sides would have multiples and most of those would be younger than Joel. We have tried to compensate by trades but that is not a drafted player.. other clubs can do that as well..just like Caddy last year.

I look at our 2016 draft.. and I doubt you can do much better than we appear to have done..with the picks we had.. If we had one extra pick inside the top ten it would shape as something like one of our huge drafts 18 years ago. I think we have added 3 players who should get 100 games plus and maybe another two or three that are possibles to get to that...

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Rumours Murphy has re-signed with Carlton?

Lets hope so

 

[Turbocat]

Rumours Murphy has re-signed with Carlton?

Apparently has agreed to terms..

 

[Turbocat]

Excellent.

Thanks MrBurns

 

[frggr]

Apparently has agreed to terms..

They're talking about it on the Carlton board:

"Apparently it will be officially announced tomorrow but it is a two year deal.

Bloody happy with this and I hope he can stay injury free and be a major contributor for the rest of his time at Carlton."

Good news for Carlton and for Cats fans.

 

[Turbocat]

Any big names back this week?

For who VicMetro? Or are you in the wrong thread?

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Yes.. Mooney Harley and Ottens ... and we also got to draft several FSons two KPF , one ruck ..and we built the list based on an extended period out of contention , allowing us to have several picks in single figures and we also blanketed a couple of drafts by trading out players... all this gave us a select group of players to develop from the draft.

We can try to build from the draft ..and I'm all for that ..as I was advocating last year and this and would like us to get a 2nd R1 ..but its probably improbable to get one. As good as we are at developing talent ie get the most you get out of the player you have drafted.. we probably have try to get higher standard of player to develop.. because what we are trying to do till now is borderline unique. Selwood is the last player on our list we drafted inside top 10... Has there been a team who has ever won the flags without a drafted player inside the top 10 ? I doubt it.. Ideally that player is at his best inside his best footy years..which I don't think Joel is ..and most Flag sides would have multiples and most of those would be younger than Joel. We have tried to compensate by trades but that is not a drafted player.. other clubs can do that as well..just like Caddy last year.

I look at our 2016 draft.. and I doubt you can do much better than we appear to have done..with the picks we had.. If we had one extra pick inside the top ten it would shape as something like one of our huge drafts 18 years ago. I think we have added 3 players who should get 100 games plus and maybe another two or three that are possibles to get to that...
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Very well thought out and considered post as usual Turbo

 

[Turbocat]

House and Abbott are increasingly looking like absolute WTF draft picks. Abbott was some mature-age nobody from the GFL. If you're going to pick someone that old, they have to be ready to go now and he clearly wasn't.

We really have not been good at trading and draft rucks for a while. I agree that if Abbott is not ready to play at his age then why draft him.. 25 is play now not really development age. Wasting draft picks into the 50's? What would the success rate of pick in that range be.. it would be a small number of players who play 50 games at that range id have thought. So Im not as critical of that.

If you plan to draft a backup ruck then its better if they have at least played at the level be a known commodity etc.. looking at Simpson up at GWS irritates a bit. Overall Id say we have done as well as possible with our late picks..its the early ones that might be questioned.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Time to look hard at our stupid trades and drafts.

Is ablett better value this year and next v devons smith for 7 years - NO
but we could have had both instead of being rolled on a stupid trade
ablett cant tackle, and is exposed, should never have been traded for more than what sam mitchell netted hawks, seriously one of the worst trades

Drafting abbott - what for, at his age he was a known quanity
looking at mckernan, one wonders why we waste decent picks on speculatives

pick 20 odd for M. Clark
this is seriously demented

drafting injured players with first round picks, one after, after another
we lucked it with joel, but seriously sometimes they were not to be traded early

keeping injured players too long, and gifting players new homes

time to get a sense of ruthlessness, rather than this softly softly

Except Smith never wanted to come here