Rumour GFC 2018 Player Trading, Drafting, FA, Rumours, and Wish lists - PT3

[Pure_Ownage]

The difference between Caddy and guys like Henderson, S.Selwood and Tuohy is that he wasn't an established player at AFL level. We recruited him as he came off his draftee wage and a 23rd placement in their BnF.

You're talking about the contract we gave him in 2012 I'm talking about the one he signed in 2015 when he was well established. It was well reported at the time he was traded that he had 2 years to run at 450 per year and the tigers gave him a pay rise and 2 extra years on top of that. Given he Thurlow Murdoch and GHS were given the same contract length in the same year and were similarly ranked within the side its not unreasonable to think they got a similar figure (although its not linear some players being more chased by other clubs will cost more to re-sign etc). Regardless i wouldnt get hung up on the $ my point was those 3 (thurlow murdoch ghs) are the most expendable this year in terms of guys OOC who are on more than draftee money but who play positions where we have the list depth not to miss them (Stanley is the other one but we could use a ruck more) to make them vulnerable.

 

[cats_09]

This may be a bit conspiracy theory like, but thinking about the club re-signing Taylor last year for another 12 months taking him through to the end of next year. At the time it seemed a little odd especially so far ahead of the season & he may have been one who some (many) thought would retire at the end of this season.

Someone mentioned within the last couple of weeks that Henderson's knee was worse than had been advised and today he has been added to the LTI list.

Any chance that maybe the club was aware that Henderson's knee wasn't good last year (after his surgery), and they decided at that time to extend Taylor's contract by 12 months as coverage for Henderson - incase his knee doesn't come right?

 

[foxdog50]

What about Aliir Aliir from Sydney. A key defender from Swans. His 2016 year was very good. Like a Swans supporter on here said . Longmire just doesn't have him in his best 22 just like our coach with some players. Get him cheap as he was pick 44 and not playing much .
Thoughts?

 

[sauron256]

I think the Kings wil go early ..so maybe we can look at another set of tall twins .... worth a look.

https://www.afldraftcentral.com.au/2018/04/24/scouting-notes-under-18-academy-series-round-2/

#36 Stephen Cumming – Stephen Cumming was the dominant big man of the game competing well in the ruck and pushing hard around the ground to be an option. Cumming showed surprisingly good skills for a big 200cm player, he was clean and sharp by hand & he took some great marks, finding teammates by foot. He won plenty of the ball around the ground and at stoppages right after a tap, his follow up work is to be commended and could hold his head high after the loss.

#37 Matthew Cumming – The twin brother of Stephen, Matthew spent all his time down back where he took plenty of intercept marks and used the ball really well down back. Cumming did everything you could ask from a big key defender, he took intercept marks, put on good spoils and he was clean with his hands and ball use. He worked in tandem with his brother in one passage of play in the second quarter which really caught the eye with both executing some slick handballs.

Brian Taylor would have a field day.

HEEEEEERE'S CUMMING!!!

 

[frggr]

Brian Taylor would have a field day.

HEEEEEERE'S CUMMING!!!

And what about Bruce?

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

What about Aliir Aliir from Sydney. A key defender from Swans. His 2016 year was very good. Like a Swans supporter on here said . Longmire just doesn't have him in his best 22 just like our coach with some players. Get him cheap as he was pick 44 and not playing much .
Thoughts?

Yes would be hard to assess a price on him but Sydney like geelong are usually a fair team to deal with.

 

[bigblackboz]

I think there is more room than people think. I don't buy the $78 thing.

You don't release information without a reason.

As for Gaff or Dalhaus. No idea. Would like either for a fair price. The AFL isn't about who you get, it's about who you get for what price.

Oh. I like boobies too.

 

[Rosso]

Caddy would have been on a premium as there were other clubs interested in getting him from GC so $450k not unrealistic for him.

Agree on Murdoch, Thurlow and GHS. I would doubt that they would average much more than $150-$200k each.

I saw a premiership player from one club that was recently traded that you would have assumed to be on $400-450k a year who was on only $230k. I've seen probably 30 contracts and most earn less than you think. The only one I was shocked at was at the time a 3rd year lions player, who was neither a high draft pick nor a high profile youngster, on $400k a year but I guess it is all right place right time and with all the players leaving any young player up there could write their own cheque.

Depends on who you play for. Remember that even when the Dees were "not tanking" they still had to pay up to 95% of the cap. That means that some average players were getting really well paid.

That's what makes clubs likes ours and Hawthorns so successful with the plauers buy in when theu could clearly get more in the open market.

 

[manboob]

You don't release information without a reason.


Oh. I like boobies too.

Listen to the Norf Korean!

 

[Pumpernickel]

Yes would be hard to assess a price on him but Sydney like geelong are usually a fair team to deal with.

Would a straight swap for GHS be an acceptable trade? Both on the fringe and seemingly unliked/untried to a certain degree by the senior coach.

 

[Nickoo]

Is there anyone in the state leagues we might take or have our eye on?

Didn’t work out with Orren Stepenson but otherwise feels like we’ve done ok: three in our current best 22 is the best in the league?



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[CatsDoItBetter]

Would a straight swap for GHS be an acceptable trade? Both on the fringe and seemingly unliked/untried to a certain degree by the senior coach.

I’m sure Cats would do that if they wanted Allir, but he’s shown a bit more than GHS. I wouldn’t have thought Sydney would be keen for George. They need outside run not more inside mids.

 

[Pumpernickel]

I’m sure Cats would do that if they wanted Allir, but he’s shown a bit more than GHS. I wouldn’t have thought Sydney would be keen for George. They need outside run not more inside mids.

Yeah, agree with that, they would certainly want more and a straight swap of players is pretty rare these days.

 

[Turbocat]

Guys why the rough comments.

The OP is GFC 2018 Player Trading, Drafting, FA, Rumours, and Wish lists - PT3

If rumours posts are encouraged then I believe one should just take the post in that light. Id don't put any more faith in them than a weather forecast..but still , its nice to get a hint of what the weather may be.

 

[foxdog50]

I think there is more room than people think. I don't buy the $78 thing.

You don't release information without a reason.

As for Gaff or Dalhaus. No idea. Would like either for a fair price. The AFL isn't about who you get, it's about who you get for what price.

Oh. I like boobies too.

Yeah I suppose your rite... They wouldn't be telling us the truth which is fair not to

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

It sounds like Gardner after having a good first season hasn’t improved how they’d hoped. You’d think he may be facing an uphill battle to stay on the list.
I didn’t realise House was only 22 obviously older than Gardner but bit closer to a game. Could be between the two for a list spot and if they haven’t played now it’s doubtful they’ll get a game this year unless they really turn it on or we get more injuries.
Abbott is in trouble is he 26? Doesn’t seem to be close to a game. As frustrating as Stanley and smith can be you’re keeping them before Abbott. If Stanley stays hopefully it’d be for less money unless he puts consistant games together.
Black also at this stage unlikely to get a new contract.
A few of the rookies will be in trouble as well Crameri, JJ, Hayball.

I’d love to add a free agent if they’re in a position we need. But not sure adding more mature expensive mids is what we should do.

 

[sauron256]

And what about Bruce?

Bruce reckons we should play Cumming on Rioli.

 

[frggr]

Bruce reckons we should play Cumming on Rioli.

FOOTY GODS MAKE CYRIL'S HAMSTRING HOLD UP LONG ENOUGH TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN!

 

[Jaydogga]

This may be a bit conspiracy theory like, but thinking about the club re-signing Taylor last year for another 12 months taking him through to the end of next year. At the time it seemed a little odd especially so far ahead of the season & he may have been one who some (many) thought would retire at the end of this season.

Someone mentioned within the last couple of weeks that Henderson's knee was worse than had been advised and today he has been added to the LTI list.

Any chance that maybe the club was aware that Henderson's knee wasn't good last year (after his surgery), and they decided at that time to extend Taylor's contract by 12 months as coverage for Henderson - incase his knee doesn't come right?

This latest Taylor deal wasn’t orchestrated by club... but by the Illuminati.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Probably means nothing like it does at other levels. But I see in the falcons team that brownless and mensch are named on the ball. While Walsh considered a top 5 pick is named at half forward.
Also does anyone know anything about the falcons ruck I believe he’s playing as a 17 year old.

 

[Tkoajd]

Probably means nothing like it does at other levels. But I see in the falcons team that brownless and mensch are named on the ball. While Walsh considered a top 5 pick is named at half forward.
Also does anyone know anything about the falcons ruck I believe he’s playing as a 17 year old.

I read somewhere from last weeks game in the TAC that Baxter mensch had 12 Centre clearances for the game. Sounds impressive


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[CatsDoItBetter]

This is who I meant as a 19 year old Sam conway. Played some games last season and didn’t get drafted now back with the falcons.

http://www.krockfootball.com.au/tac-cup/falcons-set-unleash-big-man/

 

[Nickoo]

This is who I meant as a 19 year old Sam conway. Played some games last season and didn’t get drafted now back with the falcons.

http://www.krockfootball.com.au/tac-cup/falcons-set-unleash-big-man/

Its got a bit of “....that boy from the grammar....”.

Good call.


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[CatRiot]

Just noticed a lot of teams across the AFL this week have quite a short line-up... Well when I say short, they have medium sized players in key position posts, whether its through injury or tactically, I'm not sure yet. Are we heading towards a team of mid-sized players across the ground (except the rucks)?

 

[Lana]

You're talking about the contract we gave him in 2012 I'm talking about the one he signed in 2015 when he was well established. It was well reported at the time he was traded that he had 2 years to run at 450 per year and the tigers gave him a pay rise and 2 extra years on top of that. Given he Thurlow Murdoch and GHS were given the same contract length in the same year and were similarly ranked within the side its not unreasonable to think they got a similar figure (although its not linear some players being more chased by other clubs will cost more to re-sign etc).

Your mixing multiple things at once, MacStradbroke , was asserting that Caddy's wage would be inflated to that of Tuohy and Henderson since we recruited him from another club I was explaining why that wasn't necessarily the case.

Back onto Caddy a earning 450k wage. Even if Caddy got a higher tier contract after a strong year (7th in the bnf), it still wouldn't have guaranteed a high wage in subsequent years as any payment would be comprised of a fixed component and various variable components such as match payments and a few performance bonus (bnf placing, winning certain external awards like All Australian, polling well in the Brownlow etc). While it'd be theoretically possible for him (or anyone in the same wage band as him) to earn that amount they would have to have a very strong year

I figure his contact (if he was a mid tier player grouped with Murdoch, GHS and Thurlow) would have been roughly 180k base + 8k per match (the base amount for a senior stated at $3.5k per game in 2016, it's now 5k per game) + a bonus for being in the top 10 BnF placing (also variable by place something like 20k for 10th, 25k for 9th etc) + a bonus for meeting winning an external award.

It is the same with GHS, Thurlow or any middle tier players. If they play 6 or 10 games at AFL level for the year then they aren't even earning 300k, Murdoch gets more games but his BnF placements would hold his wage down.

Try fitting our 2016 list into 10 million dollars (or our current list into 12.5) and you'll see the downwards pressure on mid tier wages.

Now I've said my peace on wages.

Regardless i wouldnt get hung up on the $ my point was those 3 (thurlow murdoch ghs) are the most expendable this year in terms of guys OOC who are on more than draftee money but who play positions where we have the list depth not to miss them (Stanley is the other one but we could use a ruck more) to make them vulnerable.

I figure Murdoch is a survivor, he can play as a defender, forward or mid, it so easy to sneak him in most weeks somewhere, especially if we've lost experience from injury. I can't see us giving him the ass unless he wanted to leave which would never happen.

GHS has to play exceptionally just stay in the team each week. It's not a prediction to say he won't be on our list next year. IMO it'd take something ridiculous for him to stay on, like Kelly demanding a trade home + Ablett retiring for GHS to stay or him achieving what his supporters have always hoped he could(last weeks game is enough to think that it is at least possible).

I wrote something completely different and forgot that Thurlow is already 24. If I was his manager I'd be rushing to get him a contact even a low one.

To add to your names, McCarthy is running out of time in a Cowan kind of way, he is already 24.[/QUOTE]