Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[Turbocat]

He sounds really good but also sounds like he needs the same 4 years as Neale and Tsapatolis. Would need to trade out another kid. Think we need to diversify for some non-KP players.

I get that. He would probably not be a kid to pick if we are hoping for games like Holmes. Long termer for sure. Personally the chance to get talls to develop is so hard Id take him if he was there and find a way to find some mids. After all we have a few on our list that should be ready to play and if we added a FA..then they will struggle short term to get games.

It gets down to a kid at 17 ..Id take who I thought was the best ..then balance the draft with later picks.

Having said all that. We would have to trade our picks very early in the draft to the Dogs in thsi theoretical trade... and someone else may call his name before P17

 

[BigCat1]

We effectively traded Fogarty + Lazzaro (R2 pick) for Higgins.

lazzaro (Geelong falcon) looking good for north.

I’d be surprised if Higgins plays out the second year of his contract. I’m currently surprised he even makes our 22 with his lack of defensive accountability and his uncanny ability to let us down at key moments and miss regulation goals (what is he, 3.10 this year?)

not a good decision at the time (was clear at the time, you just don’t trade picks under R4 for 32+ yr olds). One of the few trading errors we’ve made. Not the end of the world but hoping we learn from it.

Look I agree on Higgins but it’s hardly a wasted deal. Fogerty was going absolute nowhere here and will more than likely end up nowhere at Carl. Already been dropped multiple times. Darcy Lang written all over him.

You left off Nick Stevens our way in that trade. All up it’s a Meh trade and nothing to give a second thought too in hindsight.

The second thought should be that the Higgins money that cost us Brad Crouch who wanted to come. Not sure in hindsight you want him either for 4-5 years @ 600-700k but he’s played pretty well for the Saints and would definitely have been more valuable in this current campaign. Higgins won’t retire so we’ll be on the hook for next year as well. At least he’s looked a little better the last two weeks. Absolutely horrible the month before that.

 

[Commando]

Look I agree on Higgins but it’s hardly a wasted deal. Fogerty was going absolute nowhere here and will more than likely end up nowhere at Carl. Already been dropped multiple times. Darcy Lang written all over him.

You left off Nick Stevens our way in that trade. All up it’s a Meh trade and nothing to give a second thought too in hindsight.

The second thought should be that the Higgins money that cost us Brad Crouch who wanted to come. Not sure in hindsight you want him either for 4-5 years @ 600-700k but he’s played pretty well for the Saints and would definitely have been more valuable in this current campaign. Higgins won’t retire so we’ll be on the hook for next year as well. At least he’s looked a little better the last two weeks. Absolutely horrible the month before that.

I’m expecting Higgins to get better in the last 2 months of the season, had some injury worries but professional enough to hopefully put it together at the business end. As mentioned he’s slowly looking better

 

[Turbocat]

Look I agree on Higgins but it’s hardly a wasted deal. Fogerty was going absolute nowhere here and will more than likely end up nowhere at Carl. Already been dropped multiple times. Darcy Lang written all over him.

You left off Nick Stevens our way in that trade. All up it’s a Meh trade and nothing to give a second thought too in hindsight.

The second thought should be that the Higgins money that cost us Brad Crouch who wanted to come. Not sure in hindsight you want him either for 4-5 years @ 600-700k but he’s played pretty well for the Saints and would definitely have been more valuable in this current campaign. Higgins won’t retire so we’ll be on the hook for next year as well. At least he’s looked a little better the last two weeks. Absolutely horrible the month before that.

Its a weakness in our approach. When we recruit matures and it turns out like Smith, the all is well, smart move etc. If you recruit a mature and it turns out like Jack Stevens, then the concept can not only fall on its face but can stifle your club. Luck plays a part in recruitment. Bring in mature who feel they have plenty to give, and they may be great big bang players but they may also be like that boxer that thought they had one more fight in them. When you have to start compensating and allowing for them, then the recruitment is of questionable merrit. The cost was not excessive but I suspect right now, North are happy with the deal. They may have not have chosen it but probably are happy to be playing kids , and happy with trying to develop Lazzaro. Lazzoro at Geelong would not be getting games and so far Stephens has probably shown as much potential.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Look I agree on Higgins but it’s hardly a wasted deal. Fogerty was going absolute nowhere here and will more than likely end up nowhere at Carl. Already been dropped multiple times. Darcy Lang written all over him.

You left off Nick Stevens our way in that trade. All up it’s a Meh trade and nothing to give a second thought too in hindsight.

The second thought should be that the Higgins money that cost us Brad Crouch who wanted to come. Not sure in hindsight you want him either for 4-5 years @ 600-700k but he’s played pretty well for the Saints and would definitely have been more valuable in this current campaign. Higgins won’t retire so we’ll be on the hook for next year as well. At least he’s looked a little better the last two weeks. Absolutely horrible the month before that.

I think given that we gave up pick 30 for Higgins and that North have cap to burn we'll probably find North are paying his salary or most of it.

 

[BORIS332]

I think given that we gave up pick 30 for Higgins and that North have cap to burn we'll probably find North are paying his salary or most of it.

He had a year to run on his contract at North so you might be right.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

He had a year to run on his contract at North so you might be right.

May also have done the whole add an extra year for substantially less type deal. I can't see him burning a hole in our pocket cap-wise regardless

 

[Down at K Park]

Its a weakness in our approach. When we recruit matures and it turns out like Smith, the all is well, smart move etc. If you recruit a mature and it turns out like Jack Stevens, then the concept can not only fall on its face but can stifle your club. Luck plays a part in recruitment. Bring in mature who feel they have plenty to give, and they may be great big bang players but they may also be like that boxer that thought they had one more fight in them. When you have to start compensating and allowing for them, then the recruitment is of questionable merrit. The cost was not excessive but I suspect right now, North are happy with the deal. They may have not have chosen it but probably are happy to be playing kids , and happy with trying to develop Lazzaro. Lazzoro at Geelong would not be getting games and so far Stephens has probably shown as much potential.

I’d say going after blokes who are 34 is a no no. Too old to be chasing. Smith was younger and free agent. Much much more worthwhile going after. Plenty of life left in him.

I think given that we gave up pick 30 for Higgins and that North have cap to burn we'll probably find North are paying his salary or most of it.

No doubt they are. That’s why we paid a higher price. No straight up deal for a 34 yr old is worth pick 30.

 

[Wojcinski]

I'm not adding much, just wanted to see how our current best 22 would look minus every over 30 we have since the AFL world seems so hung up on how many over 30s we have on our list

B: Bews Kolodjashnij Atkins
HB: Stewart Henry Clark
C: Menegola Parfitt Guthrie
HF: Dahlhaus Ratugolea Evans
F: Close Cameron Miers
R: Fort O'Connor Narkle

I: Simpson Constable Holmes De Koning

E: Zuthrie Krueger Jarvis Stephens


Not competing for a flag with that lot, but at the same time I think we'd still be around the mark for making finals

 

[BigCat1]

I'm not adding much, just wanted to see how our current best 22 would look minus every over 30 we have since the AFL world seems so hung up on how many over 30s we have on our list

B: Bews Kolodjashnij Atkins
HB: Stewart Henry Clark
C: Menegola Parfitt Guthrie
HF: Dahlhaus Ratugolea Evans
F: Close Cameron Miers
R: Fort O'Connor Narkle

I: Simpson Constable Holmes Evans

E: Zuthrie Krueger Jarvis De Koning


Not competing for a flag with that lot, but at the same time I think we'd still be around the mark for making finals

Not to mention the 4m hole in our salary cap that would need filling

 

[Wojcinski]

Not to mention the 4m hole in our salary cap that would need filling

yeah for sure, the side I listed would never play because other players will come and go, it doesn't look like we'll have Narkle and Constable after this year (maybe Clark too) but just wanted to see how our current under 30s look. Not great.. but not terrible either.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I'm not adding much, just wanted to see how our current best 22 would look minus every over 30 we have since the AFL world seems so hung up on how many over 30s we have on our list

B: Bews Kolodjashnij Atkins
HB: Stewart Henry Clark
C: Menegola Parfitt Guthrie
HF: Dahlhaus Ratugolea Evans
F: Close Cameron Miers
R: Fort O'Connor Narkle

I: Simpson Constable Holmes De Koning

E: Zuthrie Krueger Jarvis Stephens


Not competing for a flag with that lot, but at the same time I think we'd still be around the mark for making finals

I also don't see a lot of cap consumption there so elite free agent mids come on down

 

[catempire]

Look I agree on Higgins but it’s hardly a wasted deal. Fogerty was going absolute nowhere here and will more than likely end up nowhere at Carl. Already been dropped multiple times. Darcy Lang written all over him.

You left off Nick Stevens our way in that trade. All up it’s a Meh trade and nothing to give a second thought too in hindsight.

The second thought should be that the Higgins money that cost us Brad Crouch who wanted to come. Not sure in hindsight you want him either for 4-5 years @ 600-700k but he’s played pretty well for the Saints and would definitely have been more valuable in this current campaign. Higgins won’t retire so we’ll be on the hook for next year as well. At least he’s looked a little better the last two weeks. Absolutely horrible the month before that.

Had my like until Brad Crouch. Absolutely thrilled we missed out on him. Plodder and wouldn’t have added much at all to our midfiled mix. Higgins at least in theory does.

 

[catempire]

Its a weakness in our approach. When we recruit matures and it turns out like Smith, the all is well, smart move etc. If you recruit a mature and it turns out like Jack Stevens, then the concept can not only fall on its face but can stifle your club. Luck plays a part in recruitment. Bring in mature who feel they have plenty to give, and they may be great big bang players but they may also be like that boxer that thought they had one more fight in them. When you have to start compensating and allowing for them, then the recruitment is of questionable merrit. The cost was not excessive but I suspect right now, North are happy with the deal. They may have not have chosen it but probably are happy to be playing kids , and happy with trying to develop Lazzaro. Lazzoro at Geelong would not be getting games and so far Stephens has probably shown as much potential.

How exactly did Steven “stifle our club”?

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

How exactly did Steven “stifle our club”?

Was wondering that myself. For sure, Steven was a miss - same with McIntosh, Clark etc before him. Yet here we are, still top 4 and one of the favourites for the flag (in no small part due to the trade ins that worked out).

That 'cliff' has been coming for nigh on a decade now.

 

[catempire]

Was wondering that myself. For sure, Steven was a miss - same with McIntosh, Clark etc before him. Yet here we are, still top 4 and one of the favourites for the flag (in no small part due to the trade ins that worked out).

That 'cliff' has been coming for nigh on a decade now.

I don’t even think Steven was as bad as those other two.

 

[Turbocat]

How exactly did Steven “stifle our club”?

Mature players like Jack Stevens, who come in and do not perform could easily stifle a club ... not specifically JS, and his issues. Id say Gibbs hurt Adelaide for example and he cost a heap more than we paid for Steven. If we bring in mature types , we are compromising years V a known commodity.
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Js recruitment was not a success, thats the way it goes. If we had several mature types that we bring in at that age and they fail. Id say that would hurt the club going forward. If Smith and Higgins and Cameron had all poor years after our recruitment of them. I have no doubt that would stiffle us. We would be playing them when out of form, looking to find it.If we were tied into multiple players whos outcome was like JS ..I feel it would be detrimental. Not only the cost of them , the lack of development or players lost.

That most of the mature players we have brought in have not been his type , we have not be unduly affected. Id say the recruitment of Hmac was a similar type of recruitment. JS specifically did not overly hurt us.. was due to the cost, and his risk factors. It would have hurt us more if we had paid more or had him in our cap. I think we were looking to trade for him the year before, that might have hurt us. With him specifically, I think you could argue that we may have been better to play someone else in every game he played for us.

The point I was trying present was that when you bring in matures , you do not have time for finding form , or getting injured. How many games did we play him hoping to find form? Nowhere as bad but I think we have done something similar in Higgins. His output his not been what we would have expected.Hopefully he will find his best form before finals.


I think FA's at 25 or so is ideal. Still close to their best , years to play at their best. If we bring in a player like Danger or a bit younger there is potential long term.

 

[Kitcat]

How exactly did Steven “stifle our club”?

Because we are always in the finals, our draft picks aren't great so we have to try other ways of getting players in. If Steven had reached 90% of his St Kilda best, we would have had a very good player without giving up much to get him. Unfortunately, the off field incident scuppered him and when he played, he was only serviceable and did nothing brilliant. Same with Jenkins. He missed the first half of last season with a back injury and Cameron's arrival reduced his chances of a game, even though he was in great VFL form.

 

[catempire]

Mature players like Jack Stevens, who come in and do not perform could easily stifle a club ... not specifically JS, and his issues. Id say Gibbs hurt Adelaide for example and he cost a heap more than we paid for Steven. If we bring in mature types , we are compromising years V a known commodity.
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Js recruitment was not a success, thats the way it goes. If we had several mature types that we bring in at that age and they fail. Id say that would hurt the club going forward. If Smith and Higgins and Cameron had all poor years after our recruitment of them. I have no doubt that would stiffle us. We would be playing them when out of form, looking to find it.If we were tied into multiple players whos outcome was like JS ..I feel it would be detrimental. Not only the cost of them , the lack of development or players lost.

That most of the mature players we have brought in have not been his type , we have not be unduly affected. Id say the recruitment of Hmac was a similar type of recruitment. JS specifically did not overly hurt us.. was due to the cost, and his risk factors. It would have hurt us more if we had paid more or had him in our cap. I think we were looking to trade for him the year before, that might have hurt us. With him specifically, I think you could argue that we may have been better to play someone else in every game he played for us.

The point I was trying present was that when you bring in matures , you do not have time for finding form , or getting injured. How many games did we play him hoping to find form? Nowhere as bad but I think we have done something similar in Higgins. His output his not been what we would have expected.Hopefully he will find his best form before finals.


I think FA's at 25 or so is ideal. Still close to their best , years to play at their best. If we bring in a player like Danger or a bit younger there is potential long term.

I see. Agree it could all blow up if you brought in five Stevens. Thankfully our track record is much better than that.

 

[catempire]

Because we are always in the finals, our draft picks aren't great so we have to try other ways of getting players in. If Steven had reached 90% of his St Kilda best, we would have had a very good player without giving up much to get him. Unfortunately, the off field incident scuppered him and when he played, he was only serviceable and did nothing brilliant. Same with Jenkins. He missed the first half of last season with a back injury and Cameron's arrival reduced his chances of a game, even though he was in great VFL form.

I’m not critical of having a crack at Steven. The upside was there and they managed to back out when it was clear he wasn’t going to reach the heights we needed.

 

[DanA]

Its a weakness in our approach. When we recruit matures and it turns out like Smith, the all is well, smart move etc. If you recruit a mature and it turns out like Jack Stevens, then the concept can not only fall on its face but can stifle your club. Luck plays a part in recruitment. Bring in mature who feel they have plenty to give, and they may be great big bang players but they may also be like that boxer that thought they had one more fight in them. When you have to start compensating and allowing for them, then the recruitment is of questionable merrit. The cost was not excessive but I suspect right now, North are happy with the deal. They may have not have chosen it but probably are happy to be playing kids , and happy with trying to develop Lazzaro. Lazzoro at Geelong would not be getting games and so far Stephens has probably shown as much potential.

I'm all for a strategic trade in of an aged player but IMO they've got to have a relatively clean slate when it comes to injuries and discipline/work ethic. I'd have no problem with guys like Ablett or Isaac Smith but I hope we steer clear of guys like Mitch Clark, Jack Steven, and Hamish McIntosh.

 

[Turbocat]

So the Stringer rumour has proven fruitless . Signed at ess.

 

[calder_daddy]

So the Stringer rumour has proven fruitless . Signed at ess.

There was absolutely no truth to it as I said when I posted.
The photo shop on the jumper said it all

 

[JohnZ]

So the Stringer rumour has proven fruitless . Signed at ess.

That wasn't a rumour, it was a meme.

 

[catempire]

So the Stringer rumour has proven fruitless . Signed at ess.

Fantastic news. For us and Essendon haters mainly.