Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[Turbocat]

I tend to not be awake as early as some of these comments unless I have an early shift at work - and in that case I don't tend to be on here; and especially not that early when my phone cracks the shits & turns off, meaning my alarm doesn't go off anyway

Can I ask what time this is happening & was it the same thing yesterday, and is there any other days that this has happened - I'll raise it to the bosses that the hamsters are missing their morning alarm which is causing things to run slow

I think on this occasion... it was only momentary blimp. I typed a post and found it would not post ..and about 10 15 minutes later I tried... and it was back on. That must have been around 5ish. ?

(I dont have your issues with work..my issue is insomnia related )

 

[supahoops]

Tanner Bruhn and GWS F2 in

Our FI and 38 to GWS and our F2 to GC..?

If GC want GWS F2 we swap 7 for 5

 

[cats_09]

I think on this occasion... it was only momentary blimp. I typed a post and found it would not post ..and about 10 15 minutes later I tried... and it was back on. That must have been around 5ish. ?

(I dont have your issues with work..my issue is insomnia related )

My insomnia is the other end of the night - I can fall asleep on the couch at like 10pm but then when I bother to go to bed I'm wide awake & watching whatever movie's on tv...and then posting here at like 1am, 2am etc

 

[Turbocat]

Agree with all that and i find it a bit fun too.
I do agree it would be easier if sav had picked s club who is free to trade their future 2nd as clubs know we need one (same as bris and port who are in that boat). But i think it can still get done it just needs picks from port and a 3rd club involved.

I think our fr1 is worth a bit more than 18 for the reasons you stated but also because next year is a better draft. Gws dont really need picks this year so they will push for it and send other picks back to us i assume. 18 for henry is fair imo and collingwood will take it on the last day. Maybe we chuck in say 55 as steak knives if we must be it will be around 18.

I cant see us walking away from any trades thats not how we roll. Besides you have to look at the total result not each tiny part of each trade-if its a future 1st out (i assume we trade our fr2 but get one back) plus 18 sav and a bunch of late picks and we get 7 plus three players thats a very good result

What about a 3 way with Port. Putting aside direct value ... which can be redressed.. Get Port to trade a player or picks to GWS. Bruhn to Geelong , Sav to Port ...player like Drew or Meed etc for GWS.

I feel the value of an uncontracted Bruhn , and a contracted KPP type like Sav (to Port who are into him ) are similar He is probably worth a Fr2... The issue is GWS wanting a future but if they are willing to take Riley Collier-Dawkins from Tigers ... then they are willing to look at play nows.

 

[Pivo]

Yea but with taking risks and recruiting from the next level leagues, cat b rookies, and end of career players from other clubs. I’m sick already if turning on the radio and hearing of us as ‘the rich get richer’ when in reality all along we’ve simply been smarter.

My new manta...

 

[Turbocat]

Tanner Bruhn and GWS F2 in

Our FI and 38 to GWS and our F2 to GC..?

If GC want GWS F2 we swap 7 for 5

It's seems reasonable. The only issue is do they want to cough up a Fr2..and do they want our 38

 

[Jemaine]

Top10 Pick? I think you mean Clarke and he was 15

They're talking about Caddy.

 

[Turbocat]

They're talking about Caddy.

Mmm ... Ok

 

[Jemaine]

Mmm ... Ok

Could be wrong, that's where my mind went.

 

[calder_daddy]

They're talking about Caddy.

Mmm ... Ok

I thought they were talking about Cockatoo lol

 

[CatToTheFuture]

As I mentioned a few pages back, I'm not stressed about the needing an F2 thing... We will get one if we need one.
My issue is the worth of Bruhn not being our F1 (unless something decent comes back)... Time will tell with all that.

Anyway... I think we still have work to do to get Clark (if we are truly going hard to get him).
Probably will need that #5 from GC instead of #7... I won't be shocked if we are trying to make that happen in some way, or even have a deal ready to go on draft night if Clark is still on the board come that selection (which will be #6 on the night).
But yes... If we actually do end up getting Clark, I think it would be better to get a bigger more dynamic mid instead of Bruhn (who is like a Clark lite for mine).

I think Bruhn might end up with the trade being our future first for Bruhn and the Collingwood f2nd. Would hope that either the Pies tank or Bruhn turns out to be amazing if that happens

 

[D BRIDGE]

This is my worry about Bruhn and why I'd to give up any 1st rounder for him.

He has played 30 games.

Career averages 10.1 touches a game.
2022 ave of 11.9 touches a game.
I'll cut him slack that I think he was sub a couple of games so I'd be ok saying 13 per game.

Now he has definitely been played out of position... But if you got it, you just got it no matter what spot on the ground you are.

So we can say he has been played forward and clearly that would impact his disposal count but...
In 30 games he has kicked just 11 goals.
Now 11 goals isn't great, but It's ok if you are the guy that's creating goals and not actually kicking them yourself.
But... He only has 8 goal assists in 30 games... That's very low, so he isn't creating or kicking goals when forward.

I will say that his VFL stats are good... Infact they read a lot nicer than Cooper Stephens and similar to Bowes (who is mature).
His VFL stats are the one thing that does give me hope... But, they are just VFL stats and plenty of average players rack them up at the lower level.

The other issue with Bruhn is that as a junior his outside run was not rated... a super high % of his possessions come contested (Danger types numbers inside v outside)... But Bruhn is only 183cm and doesn't appear to have a big marking or explosive running game. It's going to be much harder to rely on winning most of his disposals at the top level that way compared to doing it against a bunch of kids that most didn't make the grade.

He is OOC and wants out.
GWS never had enough faith in him to play him in his likely best position.


I just can't see him being worth our F1... and even getting a third-rounder back doesn't excite me... I want to use that F1 on a kid (perhaps a KPP).

Anyway, stats are stats and can say plenty or nothing... but in the end, I trust my eyes more than stats alone and I have watched Bruhn like a Hawk this year and I just have not seen him do enough things that make me want to hand over any 1st rounder for him.

Obviously, if we get him (and I'd say we will) that he really proves me wrong.

If it's less than our F1 I'll be cool with it (get it done Mac)... I do think he is better than Cooper Stephens who is expendable to me.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Did I hear Kane on trade radio correctly that the AFL won’t sign off the pick 7 Bowes trade unless a FR1 comes back to Suns? Solves the needing a future 2nd problem, creates another.

They said future 2nd

 

[Jemaine]

I think Bruhn might end up with the trade being our future first for Bruhn and the Collingwood f2nd. Would hope that either the Pies tank or Bruhn turns out to be amazing if that happens

 

[moond0g]

Tanner Bruhn and GWS F2 in

Our FI and 38 to GWS and our F2 to GC..?

If GC want GWS F2 we swap 7 for 5

GWS won't want to throw in a pick next year for one this year.

They already have a heap of picks inside the top 20 due to the Taranto trade, so pick 38 this year is essentially worthless to them. They'd be giving us a pick potentially inside the top 25 next year for nothing.

 

[Turbocat]

My insomnia is the other end of the night - I can fall asleep on the couch at like 10pm but then when I bother to go to bed I'm wide awake & watching whatever movie's on tv...and then posting here at like 1am, 2am etc

Im good for about 4. Anything after that is a bonus or im crook Getting worse as time goes on unfortunately

 

[Jumping Jack]

As much as it's created a bit of a laugh and some fodder for the media, I think Rendell should be held accountable for throwing a grenade yesterday, which is both factually incorrect, and disrespectful to Geelong.

He's since back pedalled on claims that Geelong had only offered pick 38 for Henry. It's a bit late when all the media outlets picked it up and are now treating Geelong like pig headed fools who are trying to get away with murder. Matthew Lloyd teeing off on the Cats and others joining in. Never mind the fact that it's all hearsay and only been run with because a dribbling bumbling Rendell shot his uninformed mouth off and made the statement on air yesterday.

Neither Collingwood or Geelong have in recent days publicly stated that pick 38 was the last, and best offer from Geelong on Henry. In fact the only public statement has been by Henry's manager who stated yesterday that both parties were due to speak again and a deal is getting closer.

If Rendell gets another media gig after his performances this trade period (and previous years) I'll be astounded. Bloke is a dead set fool . Lazy journalism (again) by the broader media circus, and yet another poor reflection on whoever decided that someone of Rendell's limited acumen was the right person to have represent them on air.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Ppl partly get worked up about misleading info like this.

It was more that on draft night and not one single club pays attention to the points scale unless they have an academy player.

See how your go trading a couple of seconds for pick 13 plus some late picks back (pick slides).

We trade a F1st for Bruhn and we have set a new benchmark in the market. Won’t be upset it’s just a fact. Wells picks blokes not even in mock drafts with seconds so they almost mean nothing to us. The Caldwell type deal is significantly better for the GFC.

The caldwell type deal is not happening because our future 2nd is going on bowes and we dont have an early 2022 r2 its p38 so what youre suggesting cant work as a straight trade it needs 3 or 4 clubs. A straight future 1st trade can work between the two clubs.

 

[Hinkley29]

Yea but with taking risks and recruiting from the next level leagues, cat b rookies, and end of career players from other clubs. I’m sick already if turning on the radio and hearing of us as ‘the rich get richer’ when in reality all along we’ve simply been smarter.


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I agree.

I am not advocating for wholesale changes, but I would do something about the salary cap floor. Any system that forces clubs to overpay ordinary players is a massive problem.

Unfortunately the AFLPA will never agree to that without huge concessions coming back to increase player payments. The AFL is stuck here because they last thing they want is to have to defend the legitimacy of the current setup, because it will never stack up legally.

 

[Willo_]

Don't get upset by anything said in trade radio Ffs... It is purely a vessel to get clicks and create headlines and traffic, accuracy isn't at all important and even when something accurate is said the tweets and reporting focus on something else.

The sooner people see it for what it is and stop losing their shit over it the better for all involved

 

[Pure_Ownage]

It's seems reasonable. The only issue is do they want to cough up a Fr2..and do they want our 38

Gws wont use 38 but maybe it can go to melb for bedford and melb send a future 3rd to gws etc.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

GWS won't want to throw in a pick next year for one this year.

They already have a heap of picks inside the top 20 due to the Taranto trade, so pick 38 this year is essentially worthless to them. They'd be giving us a pick potentially inside the top 25 next year for nothing.

They will only do it if 38 is being on traded i agreeas they wont use it. Ps they have pies future 2nd so it will prob be more 30s.

 

[cats_09]

 

[D BRIDGE]

Matt Rendell is one of the funniest guys in the biz.

Only issue is I'm always laughing at him and not with him.

He gives me and my mates some gold everyday to text each other about.

I don't take him seriously at all and think others need to just treat him that way.


I'll leave you with this zinger he produced a couple of days ago.


Rendell said...

"I don't think anyone will kick 1000 goals again, someone would need to play for 20 years and kick 60/70 a year to do so".



It's pure quality... Just enjoy it.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

As much as it's created a bit of a laugh and some fodder for the media, I think Rendell should be held accountable for throwing a grenade yesterday, which is both factually incorrect, and disrespectful to Geelong.

He's since back pedalled on claims that Geelong had only offered pick 38 for Henry. It's a bit late when all the media outlets picked it up and are now treating Geelong like pig headed fools who are trying to get away with murder. Matthew Lloyd teeing off on the Cats and others joining in. Never mind the fact that it's all hearsay and only been run with because a dribbling bumbling Rendell shot his uninformed mouth off and made the statement on air yesterday.

Neither Collingwood or Geelong have in recent days publicly stated that pick 38 was the last, and best offer from Geelong on Henry. In fact the only public statement has been by Henry's manager who stated yesterday that both parties were due to speak again and a deal is getting closer.

If Rendell gets another media gig after his performances this trade period (and previous years) I'll be astounded. Bloke is a dead set fool . Lazy journalism (again) by the broader media circus, and yet another poor reflection on whoever decided that someone of Rendell's limited acumen was the right person to have represent them on air.

If I was Mackie and Geelong, I'd be having a quiet conversation and demanding he make an apology on air and retract his incorrect remarks which might damage the clubs reputation.

Rendell would get very nervous I reckon.

IIRC, he 'resigned' from his list manager position at the Crows after comments he made about recruiting indigenous players.