Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[Strange Cat]

The amount of goal shifting posts in the draft thread is truly breathtaking

I just think most supporters are truly ignorant of how a trade actually works or cap management

Been truly bizzare reading some of the tripe written in that thread

 

[God Mode]

Brisbane traded out their 1st. It's hard to see that deal getting done.

Should we swoop and offer pick 7?

 

[Stokey]

The amount of goal shifting posts in the draft thread is truly breathtaking

I just think most supporters are truly ignorant of how a trade actually works or cap management

Been truly bizzare reading some of the tripe written in that thread

I'm just enjoying not being that person for a change.

 

[GeelongFTW]

Brisbane offer is a joke. WB well within their rights to send him to the draft. Actually if I was dunkley id resign with bulldogs because Brisbane arent serious in getting a deal done.

 

[Kitcat]

As others have touched on, I think it's more likely that he didn't want to go down that route.

Bowes, seeing himself on the outer and after 6 years of losing, having already deferred a big chunk of his money to later years, was probably just ready to move on and wouldn't have entertained an extension with GC.

GC have a cap problem. I think they would have initiated this. I don’t think they would want to try to backend a bad backend. I don’t think Bowes would have gone to them out of the blue and said give up pick 7 and get another club to pay the $800,000 x2 plus 2 more years.

 

[#6 Thorp #7 Selwood LOL]

The amount of goal shifting posts in the draft thread is truly breathtaking

I just think most supporters are truly ignorant of how a trade actually works or cap management

Been truly bizzare reading some of the tripe written in that thread

I actually wonder how the denizens of BigFooty do things like pay rent, operate a car, hold employment etc. Stunning displays of intellectual incompetence.

 

[Warhorse]

Should we swoop and offer pick 7?

No because I don't want him but yes because the melts would be worth it

 

[catman2006]

wonder if tilthorpe would be open to a move offer crows pick 7 and they can get phillipou and Rankine for Tilthorpe in essence.

 

[#6 Thorp #7 Selwood LOL]

GC have a cap problem. I think they would have initiated this. I don’t think they would want to try to backend a bad backend. I don’t think Bowes would have gone to them out of the blue and said give up pick 7 and get another club to pay the $800,000 x2 plus 2 more years.

I'd guess they came to him offering an extension similar to what we have - but he, as is his right, turned it down.

They then told him (via his manager) to go looking for other clubs to take on his deal, and when they found us, we told them what it would cost (ie. pick 7).

 

[Jumping Jack]

wonder if tilthorpe would be open to a move offer crows pick 7 and they can get phillipou and Rankine for Tilthorpe in essence.

Pick 7 is in Mackie's back pocket and he's not flashing around to anyone until draft night.

Knowing Mackie he might pull it out and wave it in someone's face just to annoy them, but it will not see daylight again until they call out a player at Pick 7.

 

[Pivo]

Returning to a zone system makes a lot of sense to me.
Players naturally seek to move back home or to play with mates they grew up playing with. And it's happening more and more.
A zone system would incentive AFL clubs to invest back into the grassroots footy of their own region.
And if the AFL wanted to really support expansion sides in Qld and NSW, they would likewise do so through supporting the grassroots in those states not through making special rules and concessions.
I see one of Geelong's main advantages as it's strong connection with the Falcons and to it's local footy leagues. That and simply being a well-run and successful club that make us an attractive destination even for players not from the region.

I doubt zones will come back into vogue. They might work if the competition was solely Victorian but the benefits the WA and SA sides would likely get from that sort of model would cause yet another uproar.

The Northern Academies are, sort of, a zone system for Brisbane, Gold Coast, GWS and Sydney but that hasn't really seen those clubs benefit greatly despite some good players coming from there and being in operation for a number of years. Those clubs still take the bulk of their players from "traditional" AFL states.

I read somewhere that between the late 1960s up to the early 80s Carlton, Richmond, Hawthorn and North were the only clubs who won flags in the VFL and a lot of that success was attributed to their strong zones. Reverting back to zones may just result in what you are already seeing now (i.e a handful of clubs dominating the pointy end of the season).

 

[Kitcat]

Despite all the commentary on BF and elsewhere, the Herald only has a half page low key report on the Bowes trade, 4 pages from the back.

 

[Stokey]

Knowing where we have been it's makes me so proud to hear people talk about our club like this.

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[Baudolino]

Disagree with most of the premise of this discussion. The AFL's equalisation system is amazingly successful and does exactly what it sets out to do. The point of equalisation measures is not to completely eliminate the possibility of sides remaining near the top over an extended period, it's to make achieving such a thing extremely difficult, to the point that it a high variance outcome that only occurs very rarely. Legislating the possibility of high variance outcomes occurring at all out of the game is a terrible idea as the theoretical possibility of ongoing success should always exist to give every club the feeling that there is carrot for them to chase, no matter how unlikely they are to reach it. Geelong's stay at the top is the perfect example of such a high variance outcome that occurs exactly as often as you would want it to with equalisation measures in place: extremely infrequently (no other club has been able to do what we have done). And yet even while achieving this rare, equalisation-defying feat, that defiance of equalisation pressures has won us only 1 premiership in 11 years (less than two other clubs in the same time frame). Even if you ignored the desirability of allowing high variance outcomes to occur without the framework of the equalisation system, you would think that that "flags won over a given period of time" would be a better metric by which to judge whether a club's achievements are so anathema to the existing system that the rules need to changed to prevent what they are doing.

People are acting like this is the Premier League and Geelong is Man City ffs.

We've won one flag in a row. One.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Brisbane offer is a joke. WB well within their rights to send him to the draft. Actually if I was dunkley id resign with bulldogs because Brisbane arent serious in getting a deal done.

If i was dunkley id sign for one year because hes an FA next year anyway-try and get to brisbane then.

 

[Gavin Excell]

One thing you won't see Geelong doing is handing out 7+ year deals. Why clubs are doing this is beyond me.

I think it immediately kills trust. We as a club don't trust you to take a better offer from another club in a couple of years.

Create an environment where players want to play. Think and act like the best and players wi want to play for you and maybe for less.

I think other clubs may feel they have to offer 7 year deals to get signatures

 

[Pure_Ownage]

They mentioned on trade radio this morning they are still looking to split picks as they want more points and they need to trade for Gunston

They will split picks yes but they would rather split say 25 for 2 picks rather than 4 picks (with the same pts value as the 2 picks) as its less list spots.

 

[Jumping Jack]

If i was dunkley id sign for one year because hes an FA next year anyway-try and get to brisbane then.

The Bulldogs are just posturing and puffing their chests out to appease sponsors and the supporter base. Much like their coach, plenty of macho and bravado, but ultimately don't deliver on it.

Dunkley is well respected within the club, and the deal will get done. Clubs cannot afford to play hard ball and let players walk to the draft - particularly when they are moving for family reasons or to be with their partner (as Dunkley is). It sends a very poor message to other players on their list about how much they value player welfare .......... it won't come to that.

And the Dogs also know they lose Dunkley in 12 months for nothing so what's the point of blocking the deal now.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Won't make any difference. Pick 7 is off the table for both the Henry and Bruhn deals. Geelong will (and have) been very clear with other clubs with regards to the pick not being part of any negotiations.

Henry will get done with Pick 18. Collingwood know that's a reasonable deal for a player OOC and who has publicly stated they want out. Collingwood have asked for a player but Geelong unlikely to budge. If a player is involved then pick 18 is off the table.

Bruhn will get done, and I'm told that the pick situation is ok, but the player packaged up with the pick is the sticking point at the minute. Clubs aren't too far apart though.

Just what I've been told to this point, and much closer to deals dropping on Henry and Bruhn now that Bowes is effectively done.

Do you know which player is being traded? I assume its sav-and is it to gws or a third club? I cant see an obvious trade candidate besides sav..if a best 22 player wanted out we would have heard by now.
I cant see gws taking less than a r1 for bruhn unless the player involved is very good (ie best 22 which is not sav) and we cant trade fr1 and fr2 (without bringing in another fr2)...maybe afl have given us exemption? (Allowing fr1 to be bruhn and fr2 bowes).

I agree henry for 18 (with maybe 48 or 55 thrown in as a pick we wont use) is fair and should get done.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The Bulldogs are just posturing and puffing their chests out to appease sponsors and the supporter base. Much like their coach, plenty of macho and bravado, but ultimately don't deliver on it.

Dunkley is well respected within the club, and the deal will get done. Clubs cannot afford to play hard ball and let players walk to the draft - particularly when they are moving for family reasons or to be with their partner (as Dunkley is). It sends a very poor message to other players on their list about how much they value player welfare .......... it won't come to that.

And the Dogs also know they lose Dunkley in 12 months for nothing so what's the point of blocking the deal now.

Because if he goes to brisbane on a 6/7 year deal as FA next year its band 1 which could be top 10 compo pick. So why would they trade him now for 25 and a very late future 1st? A deal will get done but brisbane will have to offer more than they are to get it done. I cant see dunkley going to the draft if theres no deal he will sign for 12 months imo.

 

[GeelongFTW]

The Bulldogs are just posturing and puffing their chests out to appease sponsors and the supporter base. Much like their coach, plenty of macho and bravado, but ultimately don't deliver on it.

Dunkley is well respected within the club, and the deal will get done. Clubs cannot afford to play hard ball and let players walk to the draft - particularly when they are moving for family reasons or to be with their partner (as Dunkley is). It sends a very poor message to other players on their list about how much they value player welfare .......... it won't come to that.

And the Dogs also know they lose Dunkley in 12 months for nothing so what's the point of blocking the deal now.

they wont be blocking on the grounds of dunkley. Its more the case of Brisbane offer not being in good faith. You cant make yourself look like pushovers.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

wonder if tilthorpe would be open to a move offer crows pick 7 and they can get phillipou and Rankine for Tilthorpe in essence.

Crows supporters would burn the joint down if they traded tilthorpe.

 

[Stokey]

I think other clubs may feel they have to offer 7 year deals to get signatures

Loser mentality imo.

 

[Johnny Cattery]

I have this feeling there is going to be a player trade out involved somewhere.

Agree. Just too much pressure for list spots. Have been feeling all along there would be an unexpected retirement/trade, and there might be both ... I wonder whether it's one player we are talking about (so either GWS or Pies) or whether the Cats are exploring options to send a player to both places to preserve 18. Just have a gut feeling we will want at least two good picks at the draft. No idea how we do it ...

 

[supahoops]

What chance we trade 7 & 38 for 6