Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[Vivy]

Ratugolea wants to head to Port Adelaide​

ByPeter Ryan​

Clubs in pursuit of Geelong big man Esava Ratugolea have been made aware that the 24-year-old would like to get to Port Adelaide during this trade period.
Geelong have been reluctant to let the contracted Ratugolea depart despite him playing just four senior games this season as they believe he can offer them depth in many parts of the ground and the coach Chris Scott is a big believer in his talent.

As it happened: Horne-Francis’ Power dream not over, Ratugolea wants out, Corbett joins Freo

A much quieter day today than the first three days of the 2022 AFL trade period with just the one transaction completed.

www.theage.com.au

Issue is him and his manager have chosen one of the clubs that has next to nothing to offer us.

If he could go somewhere else and get a game great. But we shouldn't be a buffet you can pick and choose from like Brisbane have done to us in recent years

PA is trading out their first this year and next. They can't trade or their future second.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Issue is him and his manager have chosen one of the clubs that has next to nothing to offer us.

If he could go somewhere else and get a game great. But we shouldn't be a buffet you can pick and choose from like Brisbane have done to us in recent years

PA is trading out their first this year and next. They can't trade or their future second.

Well Sav is contracted, so it's our call. I'd be putting it on Port to acquire that future 2nd. Then that's their problem. Get creative or see you next year when he's OOC.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

It sounds like Mackie is keen to keep at least 2 of the 3 first round picks.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

It sounds like Mackie is keen to keep at least 2 of the 3 first round picks.

He might be wanting to package up 7, 18 and a later pick for a higher first round pick? Get into the top 3?

 

[Cursed Cat]

Reports Sav wants to go to port.

Their future 2nd for Sav and 55?

Totally understand Esava wanting more game time guarantees, but I’ll miss the big fella if he goes.

Shame too, because if 2023 were to be Tom Hawkins last season then I’d love to have seen Sav settled into the FF role for a good block of games in 2024 to see if he could lock it down …

 

[FredLeDeux]

It sounds like Mackie is keen to keep at least 2 of the 3 first round picks.

Aren't we all

 

[BORIS332]

I wouldn't be mad about Sav leaving if we can package him and one of our 3rds to get an F2 back.

That would allow us to complete all our targeting trades this year

Henry = 18 this year
Bruhn = 1st next year
Bowes = 2nd next year

We can’t trade our future 2nd if we trade our future 1st.

 

[Hinkley29]

Disagree with most of the premise of this discussion. The AFL's equalisation system is amazingly successful and does exactly what it sets out to do. The point of equalisation measures is not to completely eliminate the possibility of sides remaining near the top over an extended period, it's to make achieving such a thing extremely difficult, to the point that it a high variance outcome that only occurs very rarely. Legislating the possibility of high variance outcomes occurring at all out of the game is a terrible idea as the theoretical possibility of ongoing success should always exist to give every club the feeling that there is carrot for them to chase, no matter how unlikely they are to reach it. Geelong's stay at the top is the perfect example of such a high variance outcome that occurs exactly as often as you would want it to with equalisation measures in place: extremely infrequently (no other club has been able to do what we have done). And yet even while achieving this rare, equalisation-defying feat, that defiance of equalisation pressures has won us only 1 premiership in 11 years (less than two other clubs in the same time frame). Even if you ignored the desirability of allowing high variance outcomes to occur without the framework of the equalisation system, you would think that that "flags won over a given period of time" would be a better metric by which to judge whether a club's achievements are so anathema to the existing system that the rules need to changed to prevent what they are doing.

People are acting like this is the Premier League and Geelong is Man City ffs.

We've one one flag in a row. One.

The one flag is not the issue.

being in flag contention constantly for 16 years, and making 12 prelims in the last 16 years is the issue. equalisation should have made that level of sustained success impossible, and only Geelong has been able to do it.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Aren't we all

I could be wrong and I probably am, but I am getting the feeling we don't rate Henry as highly as others? We seem very reluctant to part with pick 18 for him and don't value him that highly. Unless of course we're just playing the game as we have another 6-days left in the trade period.

 

[moond0g]

Ratugolea wants to head to Port Adelaide​

ByPeter Ryan​

Clubs in pursuit of Geelong big man Esava Ratugolea have been made aware that the 24-year-old would like to get to Port Adelaide during this trade period.
Geelong have been reluctant to let the contracted Ratugolea depart despite him playing just four senior games this season as they believe he can offer them depth in many parts of the ground and the coach Chris Scott is a big believer in his talent.

As it happened: Horne-Francis’ Power dream not over, Ratugolea wants out, Corbett joins Freo

A much quieter day today than the first three days of the 2022 AFL trade period with just the one transaction completed.

www.theage.com.au

I fear he walks for pretty much nothing. The club likes him, and he's contracted, but he's not getting a game. And JHF is Port's main target, so I doubt they offer anything substantive to us for Esava that might reduce what they can offer for him

 

[Boxhead_31]

We can’t trade our future 2nd if we trade our future 1st.

Hence why we get a F2 back for Sav

I wouldn't be mad about Sav leaving if we can package him and one of our 3rds to get an F2 back.

 

[Jumping Jack]

Nah, unlike their supporters they'd only select him if they actually want him IMO, not to be petty, even though their supporters would love the idea. I think there is a reasonable chance they pick him though (if he's still there). But who knows where they rate Clark or we do in comparisson to others that might be available with our respective picks.

There might be other players available at our pick that Mackie rates higher than Clark such as Mackenzie, Phillipou etc. Or someone who was touted to go around pick 15. Mackie himself was a shock pick when his name was read out at pick 7.

As we've seen over the years with Wells, we don't always select who us supporters want and who the media draft experts think we should. That's what makes draft night so exciting as a Cats supporter ha ha

Pick 7 is to bring Clark in and that is the absolute priority and #1 aim. Trust me on that.

Now does that mean it happens? - no it doesn't. But that is Plan A.

 

[Baudolino]

The one flag is not the issue.

being in flag contention constantly for 16 years, and making 12 prelims in the last 16 years is the issue. equalisation should have made that level of sustained success impossible, and only Geelong has been able to do it.

Not true at all. That was the whole point of my post. Equalisation doesnt exist to make achieving what we have done literally impossible. It exists to make it extremely rare and difficult to accomplish.

The fact that only Geelong has been able to do it is testament to equalisation working.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Pick 7 is to bring Clark in and that is the absolute priority and #1 aim. Trust me on that.

Now does that mean it happens? - no it doesn't. But that is Plan A.

I'll back you in on that Jumping Jack . It's an outcome we could of only dreamed about weeks ago. If he's gone by our pick or we can't trade up on the night, I'm confident we will get a good long term player regardless. We will be winners either way IMO.

 

[onlymagic]

I fear he walks for pretty much nothing. The club likes him, and he's contracted, but he's not getting a game. And JHF is Port's main target, so I doubt they offer anything substantive to us for Esava that might reduce what they can offer for him

Our best hope would be Sav and some of this year's picks thrown into a multi team deal with North, Port and possibly WCE. Might be able to get a future second that way, somehow.

 

[moond0g]

Any chance port would trade pick 33 for Esava and Pick 48?

Could then try and package 33 and 38 for pick 21 from Brisbane for points.

Pick 21 could be swapped for Henry.

Problem is Port need currency for JHF and Lions need currency for Dunkley, so not sure either would go for it.

 

[supahoops]

do you think theyre petty enough to jump in front like that?

I think they could save face and avoid future disappointment by trading 6 for 7. Haven’t got a great draft hand so could use 38.

 

[Turbocat]

We probably need to proactive with Sav if he is not going to be in our best22 at his age Replacing him with a draftee probably helps the SalCap but doesn't help the competivness too much... as even Sam Dek took 2 years.

What do we get from Pear? Indigestion probably.

 

[Kitcat]

No williams has a rookie so we have only one spot for the national draft. If you want 2 picks in the national draft (as a pose to rookie draft) we have to trade a player or delist (re rookie) simpson.

The delist and re rookie Simpson makes sense. To me, he looked better than Zuthrie prior to this season. No club is likely to sneak in and take him due to his concussion issues. If he is fit again, he will challenge for a spot and as he is a good clubman, he probably is prepared to wait for more opportunities in 2024 when retirements hit.

 

[catempire]

The draft in the NRL was abolished because of court action by a player (Terry Hill) who argued that it was restraint of trade.

Yes. Linked in an article I posted further on. Note “many”. I’d add “modern”.

 

[Sky]

Issue is him and his manager have chosen one of the clubs that has next to nothing to offer us.

If he could go somewhere else and get a game great. But we shouldn't be a buffet you can pick and choose from like Brisbane have done to us in recent years

PA is trading out their first this year and next. They can't trade or their future second.

Ratugolea for nothing. So much for that goodwill on Francis Evans.

 

[Shadow89]

Nice work

Nice work, do you think it’s possible to get a sweetener for the Henry trade (ie 3rd rounder or future 3rd rounder back)

Cheers mate. Yeah I reckon it's possible, but I ultimately think it'll just be a straight first

 

[catempire]

Can’t be letting Ratugolea go unless it helps us get the other deals done. Simple as that.

 

[Shadow89]

Issue is him and his manager have chosen one of the clubs that has next to nothing to offer us.

If he could go somewhere else and get a game great. But we shouldn't be a buffet you can pick and choose from like Brisbane have done to us in recent years

PA is trading out their first this year and next. They can't trade or their future second.

Then they need to conjure up a way to get us something we can use. We won't just let him walk

 

[CatTricks]

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