Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[CatToTheFuture]

Collingwood don't even have their own FRP this year and nothing they are offering is going to get them into the top 10.
They can't trade consecutive picks.

League would intervene if they tried to offer only a 2nd rounder.

They can trade their future 1st. They picked up FRP last 2 years so they can trade their next two

 

[Mr Meow]

Cats new line of business is matchmaking?

Can we get him a good deal on an investment property? And maybe one for him and his partner?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I'm not sure the trade cost ends up materially different.

Cost in picks no. But smith will probably cost more in terms of wages and is a bigger risk coming off the ACL.

 

[FootyLad0]

They can trade their future 1st. They picked up FRP last 2 years so they can trade their next two

Oh really? AFL made it seem like unless very specifically you received a FRP from another club you were locked out of trading immediate future firsts?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Cost in picks no. But smith will probably cost more in terms of wages and is a bigger risk coming off the ACL.

Yeah, though I would say he'd be on a smaller contract than he would be without the acl in both length and $/yr.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Oh really? AFL made it seem like unless very specifically you received a FRP from another club you were locked out of trading immediate future firsts?

Nah you take 2 every 4 years you're good and they've taken 3 in the last 3. 2 years from now they'll be forced to hold and select.

 

[FootyLad0]

Nah you take 2 every 4 years you're good and they've taken 3 in the last 3. 2 years from now they'll be forced to hold and select.

That makes sense, thanks for the update.

 

[dazbroncos]

In fairness, having Hawkins and Jeremy Cameron in the way is one hell of a barrier.

Being held out of senior team by 2 blokes with 1300 goals between them.. not like he’s behind Rory Lobb and Jessie Hogan and not getting games.
Arguably behind the 2 best players at the position in the game.

Patience grass hopper… patience..
go Catters

 

[Cameron_Jezza]

Being held out of senior team by 2 blokes with 1300 goals between them.. not like he’s behind Rory Lobb and Jessie Hogan and not getting games.
Arguably behind the 2 best players at the position in the game.

Patience grass hopper… patience..
go Catters

Jessie Hogan is a very good player, but resigned with GWS for 2 years.
A pretty short deal, I thought he would sign for a bit longer.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Being held out of senior team by 2 blokes with 1300 goals between them.. not like he’s behind Rory Lobb and Jessie Hogan and not getting games.
Arguably behind the 2 best players at the position in the game.

Patience grass hopper… patience..
go Catters

There was a couple interesting exchanges between Rodney Eade and Rohan Connelly on the footyology podcast the other day which gives me a good deal of hope for Neale.

1. Talking about the way in which geelong brings kids through. We give them a specific role and say, go out there and do these specific things and that's all we need. Giving them a role that is within their capabilities and slowly adding to their repertoire as they go.

2. Ben Brown in Melbourne's forward structure. Ben Brown objectively a limited player in many ways but the way they use him is that he just demands a defender because you can't sleep on him. Then he uses his leading pattern to draw other defenders and create space for the real targets in Fritsch and Pickett.

Replace Fritsch with Henry and Pickett with Stengle, and suddenly Neale is adding a forward structure at least as good as Melbourne's (admittedly weak) structure using guys under 24 with significant scope for improvement and time to add other kpf options.

 

[Warhorse]

There was a couple interesting exchanges between Rodney Eade and Rohan Connelly on the footyology podcast the other day which gives me a good deal of hope for Neale.

1. Talking about the way in which geelong brings kids through. We give them a specific role and say, go out there and do these specific things and that's all we need. Giving them a role that is within their capabilities and slowly adding to their repertoire as they go.

2. Ben Brown in Melbourne's forward structure. Ben Brown objectively a limited player in many ways but the way they use him is that he just demands a defender because you can't sleep on him. Then he uses his leading pattern to draw other defenders and create space for the real targets in Fritsch and Pickett.

Replace Fritsch with Henry and Pickett with Stengle, and suddenly Neale is adding a forward structure at least as good as Melbourne's (admittedly weak) structure using guys under 24 with significant scope for improvement and time to add other kpf options.

Melb don't use Ben Brown to his strengths at all. Brown has near blicavs levels of fitness covering 15.5km on average when at North. When he isn't allowed to run the defender into the ground he struggles to get seperation

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I don't think we will, and we may drop out the 8 around the middle of the year, but we'll get back in

Not bullish on us this year??

 

[iameviljez]

but resigned with GWS for 2 years.
A pretty short deal, I thought he would sign for a bit longer

The guy is 29 with a big injury history, I get it.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Not bullish on us this year??

I said 5th to 8th preseason and I stand by that. Given the transition of the midfield I count that as bullish

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Melb don't use Ben Brown to his strengths at all. Brown has near blicavs levels of fitness covering 15.5km on average when at North. When he isn't allowed to run the defender into the ground he struggles to get seperation

That's the main reason why I think Neale in the role would have upside. Neale is an athletic beast and once we find one way to use him in the seniors I'm certain we'll add strings to his bow and use him in other, better, ways as he develops.

How many sides would take Ollie Henry and say to him "go pick up marks and kick goals" and that's it? Contrast to the way Ollie's game has changed this year to bring in ground level players. He wasn't doing that last year.

 

[small 4wards]

That's the main reason why I think Neale in the role would have upside. Neale is an athletic beast and once we find one way to use him in the seniors I'm certain we'll add strings to his bow and use him in other, better, ways as he develops.

How many sides would take Ollie Henry and say to him "go pick up marks and kick goals" and that's it? Contrast to the way Ollie's game has changed this year to bring in ground level players. He wasn't doing that last year.

yeah the part of Ollie's game that's really impressed me is the development of his game outside his strengths. Running down Sicily, his follow up work after going for a mark in the Adelaide game. After a 41 goal season I wondered if he'd regress a bit this year but he's only getting better

 

[CatToTheFuture]

yeah the part of Ollie's game that's really impressed me is the development of his game outside his strengths. Running down Sicily, his follow up work after going for a mark in the Adelaide game. After a 41 goal season I wondered if he'd regress a bit this year but he's only getting better

Yeah last year he showed what he was great at coming in, that he can time a jump to stick marks others can't then follow up for a really reliable goal. The knocking down to advantage as clearly as he has been doing it feels new. Better ground level presence too.

I was getting worried he might have been a one trick pony

 

[iameviljez]

I said 5th to 8th preseason and I stand by that. Given the transition of the midfield I count that as bullish

Given that we finished outside the 8 last year with a fairly old side, I also consider it bullish.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Given that we finished outside the 8 last year with a fairly old side, I also consider it bullish.

I consider this comment bullish

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I said 5th to 8th preseason and I stand by that. Given the transition of the midfield I count that as bullish

Fair enough. I am still unsure where we sit. Our midfield is quite a concern... Even the weekend game against the hawks saw some embarrasing periods of dominance against

 

[dont stop me meow]

Rory Lobb, 31 with a year left on his contract. Surplus at the Dogs? Could we do worse as an interim ruck to ease Conway in and a forward option to boot? Never been a huge fan, probably just the optics though as he can play.

Yeah nah thanks

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Given that we finished outside the 8 last year with a fairly old side, I also consider it bullish.

Yeah, I'm just a bit galvanised by good availability and the older players in roles that either aren't taxing or weren't not asking them to perform in huge stretches.

I was expecting a full year from Guthrie though

 

[Turbocat]

question - if a club came to us and said heres a top 10 pick for Max Holmes would we take it ?

Basically no.


P10 straight swap is not certainty of getting a top player? MHolme a known commodity v. someone that may be good sometim ein the future≥ Only happening if we are forced.

 

[Turbocat]

Let's just say the Smith & Perkins stuff is legit, but in all likelihood we can only get one.

Little poll, who does the Geelong BigFooty board prefer? I'm taking Perkins personally.

I agree...but I suspect if both said they want in then we will do what we can to make both trades work

 

[Turbocat]

I like and respect that attitude more than the player who after one year cracks the sads, demanding a trade home otherwise they'll sit out the next season

He may well decide after his first contract that Perth isn't the place for him, but respect for sticking it out IF that's how things play out

I feel that as long as you have some kids who can qualify as Father Son and others qualify as NGA then others who can be signed as RookieB who do not even have to submit to the draft at all...... then there will be some kids that rightly feel like their rights have been infringed upon ... and will feel like they can can do what ever .