Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[Strange Cat]

Smoke Screen Ross!
his mates in the media will buy into it so as to protect him from scrutiny

Long may they suffer have zero sympathy for the saints

 

[Hinkley29]

I agree with you on a lot of what you say re. Stengle. But without being too much of a stickler this Stengle's interrupted start has probably helped him as much as hindered him in your comparisons. Cameron has a bunch of less productive games as a 19, 20, 21yo which drag down his averages. Stengle didn't play much until he came to us as a 23yo when he was entering his prime. If he turns out to be as good as Cameron has the past 5 years, we would have done very, very well.

I see what you are saying.

But if you take the last 3 seasons of Tyson and compare to Cameron’s 2017-2019 (ie the 3 years before he signed his deal), Tyson had a better goal per game average (1.88 vs 1.75) and more possessions per game (13.29 vs 13.05). And Cameron had the benefit of a more stable career to that point.

All indications are that Stengle will be at least as good (likely more productive) over the next 5 years than Cameron did/will from 2021 to 2025.

In the first year of his deal, Cameron was getting ~5.7% of brisbanes salary cap. In 2025 Tyson will be getting ~3.9% of geelong’s salary cap. That is a significant difference.

 

[DanA]

23, has pace, this year in limited game time is averaging 17 disposals, 5 goals/5 behinds/4 goal assists from 8 matches, one of which he was subbed off. If he comes for steak knives in the Smith deal I wouldn't complain.

Can’t say I’m salivating for another 5’11 midfielder. I feel like we’ve got our quota of those. We need some 6’3 guys that can break and stick a tackle.

 

[Willo_]

This Garcia talk, i had a look and it was one person saying a mate of theirs said Garcia had toured us.... I mean that is a bit Trade Radio type speculation isn't it? I had a read and didn't see anyone else back it up or anything, i have no idea if the person posting it was reliable, full of shit etc... so I don't know if it is worth speculating on too much

 

[year of the cat]

Liked Garcia in his draft year and he has some good attributes. But I'm a bit with DanA - I'm not sure his "type" is what we need as far as mids go. Wouldn't put a line through him completely though.

 

[FishGutz]

Firstly, I agree with all posters who are over the moon about Stengle. You just do not find elite goal kicking small forwards around the place. Underrated how big a win that is for us.

And on the Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

my source has said there’s been meetings and he is, “100% he will be Geelong bound.” That’s his quote. Sounds like everything is in line and he’s happy. I truly hope this doesn’t turn into a Jacob Hopper

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Jacob Hopper

Age

27

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.0

5star

K

9.9

4star

HB

11.1

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

4.5

5star

CL

4.3

5star

D

17.6

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

8.9

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.6

5star

CL

4.0

5star

D

18.6

5star

K

8.4

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.4

5star

event because I rate Smith much, much higher than Hopper.


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[FootyLad0]

Liked Garcia in his draft year and he has some good attributes. But I'm a bit with DanA - I'm not sure his "type" is what we need as far as mids go. Wouldn't put a line through him completely though.

Seems more a "hybrid mid" which we already have a fair few of.
Who does he push out if he does come to us?

Even if say we lose at the end of 2024 the guys on the left, we would already immediately have replacements in the guys on the right.

Stanley >>> Conway
Rohan >>> O Henry
2E >>> Humphries/Mullin
Duncan >>> Bailey Smith if he does come? And that's without including all the others who could replace that role.
Hawkins >>> Neale

Garcia would be another fringe player. Good for our VFL side and good to put pressure on players above them.

We already have Knevitt, Clohesy, Clark, Bruhn, Bowes as a young midfield brigade coming through to join Ax/Blics/Danger and Guth. Hardie can't even get a look in and Parfitt will most likely be a goner at the end of the year.

We already have Miers and Dempsey playing the high half forward role, Close and Stengle have crumbing/defensive forward roles on lock, OHenry has the third tall spot on lock. And that's before we even include Shaun Mannagh in the mix (kicked 6 on the weekend)

Where does he fit in?

 

[_Game_]

Does anyone think King is actually gettable? I feel he would be much better off with our slingshot style, being an aerobic player. He would kick a fair few goals running back towards goals.

 

[Strange Cat]

Does anyone think King is actually gettable? I feel he would be much better off with our slingshot style, being an aerobic player. He would kick a fair few goals running back towards goals.

It’ll be a tall list with him, SDK and O’Sullivan and Conway in the same side

 

[_Game_]

It’ll be a tall list with him, SDK and O’Sullivan and Conway in the same side

Yeah that is very true. It is hard to get a read on where they think SDK plays long term. It is almost like they are grooming him to replace Blitz as the new Mr Fixit.

 

[year of the cat]

Does anyone think King is actually gettable? I feel he would be much better off with our slingshot style, being an aerobic player. He would kick a fair few goals running back towards goals.

Wouldn't have the trade cache to get him and Smith.

 

[Hinkley29]

Wouldn't have the trade cache to get him and Smith.

Forget smith then. Get king

 

[_Game_]

Forget smith then. Get king

Now that's an interesting theoretical debate to have.

 

[4quarter_cat]

Charlie Cameron signed a long term deal in 2020 for $750k+ per annum.

The salary cap in 2020 was about $13m.

The salary cap in 2025 will be almost $18m, Stengle has signed for $700k.

He is a bargain and is underpaid.

Or is Charlie a W️ that is over paid?

 

[Hamingja]

Can’t say I’m salivating for another 5’11 midfielder. I feel like we’ve got our quota of those. We need some 6’3 guys that can break and stick a tackle.

The game has changed but we definitely need a bit of campaigner in our next group of draftees.

Holmes, Dempsey, SDK, Ollie Henry, Miers, Knevitt. Talented group of younger players but not the most combative. Clark about the only younger guy on the other side of that ledger currently.

 

[year of the cat]

Forget smith then. Get king

Doubt he's gettable.

 

[dangerwood]

Now that's an interesting theoretical debate to have.

Still leaves our midfield short but I'd take king, sorts our spine for many years. He kicked 52 goals in a home and away season 18 months ago. He's an iffy shot for goal but he can play, just not for Lyon.

 

[cats_09]

Speaking of King - this came out this afternoon

 

[Hinkley29]

Or is Charlie a W️ that is over paid?

Both can be true

 

[Hinkley29]

Now that's an interesting theoretical debate to have.

My theory is nearly always:

Draft smalls, poach talls

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Forget smith then. Get king

I feel like he's sirens a lot of the game twiddling his thumbs because our mids are just losing the clearances

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Lonergan was the perfect definition of a role player. He was never a star, never in the best 10 players in the team, never a high profile player who won you the game. But if you asked him to do something specific (ie. nullify the oppositions best gorilla forward) he would nearly always do the job. A great role player.

Stokes and pods also fit the definition

Your definitoon of a role player probably extends to three quarters od the players in the AFL

 

[Hinkley29]

Your definitoon of a role player probably extends to three quarters od the players in the AFL

Correct

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Correct

Not broad enough a definition. Probably need minimum 80% in that category

 

[Hinkley29]

Not broad enough a definition. Probably need minimum 80% in that category

It is what made our teams from 2007-2011 so special. We probably had a 50/50 mix between elite players and role players.

Most good teams would probably be 35/65 at best