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I’m not aware of a club closer to Warrnambool.
Anyway, it was an oblique reference to the the Academy shafting we got in his case.
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Anyway, it was an oblique reference to the the Academy shafting we got in his case.
That would be like when the guy walked the tight rope between the towers... no net and risk beyond calculation... but it did not stop him doing it..
Probably similar to Jez .. hours away but probably the closest. If he were to signal he was interested then sure ...
Absolutely. But it would also have to bear another key similarity to Jez's situation. He would have to want the Cats ahead of all other suitors. Because we're certainly not winning a financial bidding war for his services, as I see it.
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You're right, but it would be a different version of that to past years.
We have so much S/C space opening up that we actually could blow other clubs offers out of the water if we wanted to, but we're probably not going to.
I'd say even with Smith, we'll be saying that if he's coming, he's coming on our terms (Plus the Cotton On money we're paying him, just to upset the Richmond nuffies)
I think we could pay him pretty much whatever other clubs could/would/will offer.
It’s just a matter of if we do or not.
But yes the most important factor would be that he actually wants to come to us over all other clubs.
Wherever he does, bro is gonna be set bigtime.
We absolutely know that we won't, though. We simply will not match the highest bids of others for players in real demand. We have never done it for any player in our recent era of success (no matter how prized their signature), and I certainly don't see us starting now.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if we started splashing some cash sooner or later.
We had a big dip at Naughton and Curnow apparently.
I’d be more than happy to pay stack for the right FA if it meant we didn’t need to trade for them.
I do know we’ve had a certain salary cap system for a while and it has worked well… I just don’t know if it’ll last forever given the changing landscape of the game, Free Agents and other clubs offering big contracts to try to pry gun players from opposition clubs.
If we have the cap room, I rather spend it than have it sitting around burning a hole in our pocket.
I’m saying that, even if we do go hard at gun players, that’s doesn’t guarantee us getting them… but it just gets us in the race.
We are going to have a huge amount of cap space in the off season, we had it in the last offseason and didn't use it.
Not that we will throw out ridiculous money because we haven't done that before, but still.
Fair enough. I'm not saying we won't go big (for us, at least). I'm simply pointing out that we won't 'win' a financial bidding war for any of the most coveted players in the comp. Other clubs have less regard for a team ethos regarding player payments, as well as less commitment to prudent fiscal operations.
So if Jamarra is only available to the highest bidder, there's just no way he ends up in the hoops.
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JUH has basically said he likely won't be tempted by outside offers, and wants to stay at the Dogs.
Honestly, I think what's most likely is that JUH stays with the Dogs after having his price massively inflated by counter bids, and that Smith gets pushed out for a ridiculous price, and goes to the Hawks.
I think we're happy to bid in certain scenarios, but we won't go higher than we're comfortable with, no matter who the player is. Increase in cap means the rumoured 1.2 MIL is probably 800-900K in the current market, which I think is probably still too much for a player who honestly might not be the same player again post ACL/mental health.
I'm happy with what we're building, and I can see us having a real crack at someone like Walsh, when the time is right. As of now, I can't see us really chasing anyone, while we have heavy investment in Neale and Henry, and Cameron is still running around with elite/possibly elite smalls in Stengle, Close, Dempsey, Miers and Mannagh, at their feet.
Cap is one thing, but if we wanted JUH or even Smith, we're gonna be giving up a lot of draft capital that we can seldom afford - especially compared to other clubs. Can't see us landing anyone of note as a result of the above, IMO.
Honestly, I think what's most likely is that JUH stays with the Dogs after having his price massively inflated by counter bids, and that Smith gets pushed out for a ridiculous price, and goes to the Hawks.
I think we're happy to bid in certain scenarios, but we won't go higher than we're comfortable with, no matter who the player is. Increase in cap means the rumoured 1.2 MIL is probably 800-900K in the current market, which I think is probably still too much for a player who honestly might not be the same player again post ACL/mental health.
I'm happy with what we're building, and I can see us having a real crack at someone like Walsh, when the time is right. As of now, I can't see us really chasing anyone, while we have heavy investment in Neale and Henry, and Cameron is still running around with elite/possibly elite smalls in Stengle, Close, Dempsey, Miers and Mannagh, at their feet.
Cap is one thing, but if we wanted JUH or even Smith, we're gonna be giving up a lot of draft capital that we can seldom afford - especially compared to other clubs. Can't see us landing anyone of note as a result of the above, IMO.
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I won't go into to much details... But I'm not fussed if we dont get him at all...What one of my better mates saw him in person up at Bundalong , his actions are very poor. But I would be lying if I thought Geelong players were Angel'sProbably no real surprise but there will be considerable interest in JUH. Haw is probably just the start.
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clubs know they wont get jamarra. They are just trying to see if they can push smith or english out cap wise (the dogs might not be able to keep all 3).
Tend to agree. Think it’s likely JUH stays but the other two are out the door.
What would we be prepared to pay for Smith? I wouldn’t give any more than a pick between 6-10. If we had a nightmare season and had a top 5 pick I’d prefer to use it on Jagga Smith. Reckon the kid will be a gun.
I’d be dirty if we gave up any pick that was going to end up being a single figure pick (or very close to that) after bids.
The guy was maybe worth a top ten pick last year when he was OOC… but he is now OOC and done an ACL + he has his own personal issues.
The guy is a bit of a risk.
Anything pick 14/15 or after that I’d be ok with and wouldn’t stress… anything earlier and I’d start to feel less comfortable… and that’s assuming we have done our due diligence on him and are confident we can get the best out of him.
I get that but realistically we will have to pay more than a mid teens pick to get him not withstanding he’ll be coming off an ACL. I tend to look at it as to what we might miss out on if we retain the pick. There’s some handy mids in that top group next year.
Why would we have to pay more than that?
Mid teens feels pretty fair to me considering his form last year, the fact he has done his knee and has personal issues + possibly issues with his coach.
A lot will just depend on what Smith chooses to do and what picks the club holds that he might pick.
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I can definitely understand not wanting to take a risk but I also think we need a player like him.
I think a player that creates space for the mids we have to grow and develop will be worth more to us overall than throwing a darr at the board for a teenager.
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It's pretty hard to value him in a trade without looking at the kids available in the draft.
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Plan A is the win the flag and not give the dogs the option
I’ll take that.
I think if he did want to come to us and we had a pick in the teens… what can the Dogs do when it’s last minute in trade deadline, they aren’t going to flush a first rounder down the toilet.
When a player is OOC it’s very hard for the club to not crack and make the trade.
Adelaide got their current captain off Sydney for pick 13.
I don’t think you can look at one years form in isolation. You have to consider his body of work, the level he’s capable of playing at, his age etc That all points to a pick higher than mid teens being needed to secure him.
Sure, if he hadn’t done an ACL.
If the Dogs keep JUH + English I don’t think they’ll put much of a fight up for Smith if Smith says I’m outta here.
But we can agree to disagree and it’s all good.
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