Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 2

[cats_09]

Ask and we'll try our best to assist - so here's 2024 Provisional AFL Draft Order

As normal, would like to acknowledge & thank Lore for creating this, keeping it up to date and making it available for all users on BF to use and keep track of the picks ahead of the upcoming draft





I'll also sticky this post to ensure it's easily accessible for discussion of our hypothetical trader


Also,

2024 Free Agency Period​

The AFL introduced free agency at the end of the 2012 season, giving players another vehicle where they can transfer from one club to another. Free agency is a common form of player movement in major football and sporting codes around the world.

Free Agency Opens: Friday October 4 at 9.00am
Free Agency Closes: Friday October 11 at 5.00pm

Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period​

Trade Period Opens: Monday October 7 at 9.00am
Trade Period Closes: Wednesday October 16 at 7.30pm

 

[Jumping Jack]

I already put a line through Stringer in my post that you referenced so a little odd you flexed on me with that name.

I would like to know what you’re hearing about Oliver?

And you believe Geelong has no interest in Waterman? That goes strongly against what I’ve been told. Also, remember in my post I said most likely news comes out he re-signs soon…


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Nah I didn't think I was flexing. Just grouping a response on what I'd heard about all three players. I don't sift through all posts in detail so apologies if I gave the impression I was flexing.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Re Smith , i couldnt careless either way whether he joins Geel or he doesnt , given his playing resume to date

The question beckons , is there another Max Holmes in this upcoming draft

The recruitment of Holmes was outstanding recruiting from Geel , from memory they did some draft swap or deal with Richmond , which got Geel that pick a year earlier or something , and i think it was only a pick around 20 , and with his family with the athletics background and the whole lot , absolute gun , 10 coaches votes against Port in that finals demolition , and how good is he to watch , good players with that blistering speed are just match winners

 

[year of the cat]

Posted this on the Bailey Smith thread but figured I’d ask better minds than mine what they think.

Just looking at ideas here to get this deal done

Cats effectively trade their 2024 1st (roughly pick 16-22) and the 2024 2nd and 3rd rounders for Gold Coast’s Pick 12 (which was the Dogs original pick in this draft) as they don’t want it sucked up by Academy Bid on Lombard and then GC have effectively their own Pick 6 plus the 2024 Cats First, Second and Third rounders for points this year on Lombard?

Cats then offer Gold Coast’s (realistically the Doggies) 2024 Pick for Smith?

Doggies get back into this draft with a pretty good 1st rounder

Cats get Smith

Gold Coast get points galore for Lombard while also protecting themselves from losing their other first rounder from an early bid. So they can still have effectively two first rounders this year.

Thoughts?

Doubt we’d trade completely out of this years draft for one player.

 

[Lana]

Re Smith , i couldnt careless either way whether he joins Geel or he doesnt , given his playing resume to date

The question beckons , is there another Max Holmes in this upcoming draft

The recruitment of Holmes was outstanding recruiting from Geel , from memory they did some draft swap or deal with Richmond , which got Geel that pick a year earlier or something , and i think it was only a pick around 20 , and with his family with the athletics background and the whole lot , absolute gun , 10 coaches votes against Port in that finals demolition , and how good is he to watch , good players with that blistering speed are just match winners

The way things a looking I think we're closer to looking for our next Humphries than we are Holmes

 

[FootyLad0]

Doubt we’d trade completely out of this years draft for one player.

How does it get done then? Genuinely curious cause Doggies don't reckon our first is anywhere near enough.
And you don't want to start giving up all our future picks, we saw what a down year did to Pies.
They're now desperate with no first rounder and an-aging list. We are not immune to doing the same if things go wrong even though we have a lot of young talent coming through.

 

[Strange Cat]

How does it get done then? Genuinely curious cause Doggies don't reckon our first is anywhere near enough.
And you don't want to start giving up all our future picks, we saw what a down year did to Pies.
They're now desperate with no first rounder and an-aging list. We are not immune to doing the same if things go wrong next year.

Lucky it’s not up to them so they can feel hard done by all they want

 

[FootyLad0]

Lucky it’s not up to them so they can feel hard done by all they want

What i'm asking is what do we reckon the plan is? Offer 1st this year and F2 and then if they say no send him to the National Draft?

 

[Johanpetro]

What i'm asking is what do we reckon the plan is? Offer 1st this year and F2 and then if they say no send him to the National Draft?

Ask yourself why they would prefer nothing than a first round pick and a second round pick?

 

[FootyLad0]

Ask yourself why they would prefer nothing than a first round pick and a second round pick?

Isn't that why i asked the question in the first place? If i knew i wouldn't be asking? lol

Bailey hasn't played in 12 months maybe they don't care if they lose him to the Draft if the offer is "in their eyes" shit?

Like i'm positive the two clubs will get a deal done but they nearly signed off on Dunkley to go to the Draft, what's stopping them with Smith this time? They don't have a pick in the first round of this Draft so it's not like they can pick him back up or waste a first rounder on him...but Hawthorn probably would? Tigers probably would? Carlton probably would?

Again, i'm no expert so asking me what i think is pointless....

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Re Smith , i couldnt careless either way whether he joins Geel or he doesnt , given his playing resume to date

The question beckons , is there another Max Holmes in this upcoming draft

The recruitment of Holmes was outstanding recruiting from Geel , from memory they did some draft swap or deal with Richmond , which got Geel that pick a year earlier or something , and i think it was only a pick around 20 , and with his family with the athletics background and the whole lot , absolute gun , 10 coaches votes against Port in that finals demolition , and how good is he to watch , good players with that blistering speed are just match winners

I mean, his brother Hunter Holmes is draft eligible.

Probably as close as we're going to get in a literal sense lmao.

 

[goyoucatters]

Isn't that why i asked the question in the first place? If i knew i wouldn't be asking? lol

Bailey hasn't played in 12 months maybe they don't care if they lose him to the Draft if the offer is "in their eyes" shit?

Like i'm positive the two clubs will get a deal done but they nearly signed off on Dunkley to go to the Draft, what's stopping them with Smith this time? They don't have a pick in the first round of this Draft so it's not like they can pick him back up or waste a first rounder on him...but Hawthorn probably would? Tigers probably would? Carlton probably would?

Again, i'm no expert so asking me what i think is pointless....

Did they really, though? Seemed to me they simply played chicken with the Lions and lost.

 

[year of the cat]

How does it get done then? Genuinely curious cause Doggies don't reckon our first is anywhere near enough.
And you don't want to start giving up all our future picks, we saw what a down year did to Pies.
They're now desperate with no first rounder and an-aging list. We are not immune to doing the same if things go wrong even though we have a lot of young talent coming through.

2024 first plus F2 plus F3 is my guess unless a player is involved.

 

[Pods]

2024 first plus F2 plus F3 is my guess unless a player is involved.

Seems overs unless we’re getting something back the other way on face value but you could be right

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

Adam Treloar

1

Adam Treloar

Age

31

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.2

5star

K

12.9

5star

HB

15.3

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

4.9

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

30.3

5star

K

16.3

5star

HB

14.0

5star

M

2.0

2star

T

3.3

4star

CL

5.8

5star

D

18.0

5star

K

11.2

4star

HB

6.8

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.6

4star

trade:

The Bulldogs sent pick No.14 and a future second-round selection to the Magpies in exchange for Treloar, also receiving picks No.26, No.33 and No.42 in return.

I think that's about right for Smith.

 

[FootyLad0]

Did they really, though? Seemed to me they simply played chicken with the Lions and lost.

Their board signed off on it, so i'd assume that was the plan and Lions came back with an offer last minute to get it over the line?
Chicken? I mean maybe? But go and ask them yourself, the board definitely did sign off on it so the nuclear option was there.
Remember we aren't dealing with someone like Brisbane who we've done many trades with or Gold Coast who always comes through for us... hell even GWS made the Pick 18 for Tanner trade almost immediately without fuss.

The Dogs are in a weird state of flux where they have a coach who may or may not be there in a few years, List manager and Footy managers who just in the last few years have lost 1 x A Grade Mid in Dunkley for unders and now are about to lose their 23 year old future star in Bailey Smith along with a two time AA player Macrae. Potentially another decent player in Daniel as well. And all of this while their midfield is starting to age and look like in a few years probably will drop off (Bont, Treloar, Libba aren't getting younger) and with how much they've paid for Naughton, JUH and English they're gonna be getting a big cap squeeze going. Has Sam Darcy signed up yet? Teams will pay a truckload to try and pry him out so Dogs will have to pay up to lock him down.

It just smells like a club that's getting desperate. The walls are closing in, the media are scrutinizing harder than ever at their culture. Seems like a "line in the sand" kind of offseason.

Do we think Sam Power will come to the table, or are we dealing with a club that is under scrutiny for a shit Finals performance and a list in a weird state of flux who wouldn't care if they made life difficult for us.
I'd lean towards the former but you never know, they've already publicly announced two firsts sooo...

 

[year of the cat]

Adam Treloar trade:



I think that's about right for Smith.

Pies also paid a fair bit of his wage which affected the actual trade itself.

 

[year of the cat]

Seems overs unless we’re getting something back the other way on face value but you could be right

I reckon it’s close. No way I’m trading our FF. But a couple of picks >30 doesn’t phase me too much.

 

[Pods]

I reckon it’s close. No way I’m trading our FF. But a couple of picks >30 doesn’t phase me too much.

Yeah agree re- FF and also that it’d be close. I can just image a pick coming back our way as part of it all.

 

[goyoucatters]

Their board signed off on it, so i'd assume that was the plan and Lions came back with an offer last minute to get it over the line?
Chicken? I mean maybe? But go and ask them yourself, the board definitely did sign off on it so the nuclear option was there.
Remember we aren't dealing with someone like Brisbane who we've done many trades with or Gold Coast who always comes through for us... hell even GWS made the Pick 18 for Tanner trade almost immediately without fuss.

The Dogs are in a weird state of flux where they have a coach who may or may not be there in a few years, List manager and Footy managers who just in the last few years have lost 1 x A Grade Mid in Dunkley for unders and now are about to lose their 23 year old future star in Bailey Smith along with a two time AA player Macrae. Potentially another decent player in Daniel as well. And all of this while their midfield is starting to age and look like in a few years probably will drop off (Bont, Treloar, Libba aren't getting younger) and with how much they've paid for Naughton, JUH and English they're gonna be getting a big cap squeeze going.

Do we think Sam Power will come to the table, or are we dealing with a club that is under scrutiny for a shit Finals performance and a list in a weird state of flux who wouldn't care if they made life difficult for us.
I'd lean towards the former but you never know, they've already publicly announced two firsts sooo...

In the end, though, they're mostly making life difficult for themselves if they let Bailey walk without receiving any compensation. As you point out, they're now developing a history of multiple 'required' players choosing to flee. So if you couple that issue with them supposedly being foolish enough to have those players walk without getting anything in return, you really are setting yourself up on the fast train to irrelevance.

 

[FootyLad0]

In the end, though, they're mostly making life difficult for themselves if they let Bailey walk without receiving any compensation. As you point out, they're now developing a history of multiple 'required' players choosing to flee. So if you couple that issue with them supposedly being foolish enough to have those players walk without getting anything in return, you really are on the fast train to irrelevance.

Yeah don't get me wrong i'm not saying doing the nuclear option is the right move, hence it being the nuclear option.
I'm just saying there's certain clubs you know where you stand. A club like Geelong loves to get the deal done. There's clubs we've dealt with that while they haggle, they'll do what's right and make the deal in the end. Some might have a whinge eg Power, GWS but they'll still get the deal done.

I don't trust the Dogs at all with everything going on with outside scrutiny coming from media about performance, list management, coaching, players leaving and disgruntled, culture issues etc etc.....Plus with the way Smith has carried on over social media about his treatment with the "two sides to a story" post that Sam Power and Co don't just go,

"**** it, good luck in the Draft Baz you mug"

I would trust Geelong to get a deal done that is good for both parties, i don't trust them one iota to do the deal.

 

[hamG]

Pies also paid a fair bit of his wage which affected the actual trade itself.

Was going to say the same thing, mostly a salary dump. Plus he was an inside mid with below average skills at the time. Great in the contest but not much use beyond that.

 

[bombersboy]

Posted this on the Bailey Smith thread but figured I’d ask better minds than mine what they think.

Just looking at ideas here to get this deal done

Cats effectively trade their 2024 1st (roughly pick 16-22) and the 2024 2nd and 3rd rounders for Gold Coast’s Pick 12 (which was the Dogs original pick in this draft) as they don’t want it sucked up by Academy Bid on Lombard and then GC have effectively their own Pick 6 plus the 2024 Cats First, Second and Third rounders for points this year on Lombard?

Cats then offer Gold Coast’s (realistically the Doggies) 2024 Pick for Smith?

Doggies get back into this draft with a pretty good 1st rounder

Cats get Smith

Gold Coast get points galore for Lombard while also protecting themselves from losing their other first rounder from an early bid. So they can still have effectively two first rounders this year.

Thoughts?

I think you are falling into overrating the player. Also need to remember we are likely to need to fill 5-7 list spots. Smith would be 1 still leaves us needing to fill 4-6.

 

[FootyLad0]

I think you are falling into overrating the player. Also need to remember we are likely to need to fill 5-7 list spots. Smith would be 1 still leaves us needing to fill 4-6.

I rate Smith higher than a lot of people here, i don't think he's worth two firsts as he's OOC and hasn't played in twelve months but i'm just trying to gain an idea of what would work.

Plus my trade results in us not giving up futures. And we'll still have picks later in the deep 2024 draft to fill spots, you get as many picks as required that will come in late. Not to mention there would still be Rookie Draft as well.

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

Pies also paid a fair bit of his wage which affected the actual trade itself.

I still think that's about right for Smith our 1st and 2nd and something coming back.

 

[goyoucatters]

Yeah don't get me wrong i'm not saying doing the nuclear option is the right move, hence it being the nuclear option.
I'm just saying there's certain clubs you know where you stand. A club like Geelong loves to get the deal done. There's clubs we've dealt with that while they haggle, they'll do what's right and make the deal in the end. Some might have a whinge eg Power, GWS but they'll still get the deal done.

I don't trust the Dogs at all with everything going on with outside scrutiny coming from media about performance, list management, coaching, players leaving and disgruntled, culture issues etc etc.....Plus with the way Smith has carried on over social media about his treatment with the "two sides to a story" post that Sam Power and Co don't just go,

"**** it, good luck in the Draft Baz you mug"

I would trust Geelong to get a deal done that is good for both parties, i don't trust them one iota to do the deal.

There's a difference between being difficult to deal with and behaving like a toddler, though. That's where I think any threat of the nuclear option becomes nothing more than a rather weak bluffing technique at the trade table these days.

Any club in modern footy that is prepared to actively cruel their own list management strategy simply for spite belongs in a suburban league, at best. So I just can't see the custodians of a club in the elite national competition being that juvenile and that desperate to sabotage their own prospects for success.