Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3

[ShadowCat]

He looks a clever player. Not sure it's enough for him to make it though.

Realistically he's only got this year to make his mark. He's already 22.

I think they'll give him more time...he reminds me of a mix of Dempsey and Ollie Henry, tbh. If he shows something this year and stays injury free, I reckon he might get himself a senior game and get another contract. He's got a lot of tricks and plays much taller than his height suggests (similar to Close when he was drafted).

Less confident on Stevens given he's slow as a wet week and the game is trending away from that, but Wiltshire is a real chance given his attributes.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I think they'll give him more time...he reminds me of a mix of Dempsey and Ollie Henry, tbh. If he shows something this year and stays injury free, I reckon he might get himself a senior game and get another contract. He's got a lot of tricks and plays much taller than his height suggests (similar to Close when he was drafted).

Less confident on Stevens given he's slow as a wet week and the game is trending away from that, but Wiltshire is a real chance given his attributes.

Not a great draft next year too replace him too. Not sure he'll have to show too much with predicted retirements

 

[cats_09]

Looks like Wiltshire didn't play too much this season so guessing he was injured. Is he a good small forward ? What do you think the club sees in him ?

Injury interrupted first half of the season and then showed some good signs when he was able to get on the park but he'll need to show more next year if he wants a 3rd season

 

[ShadowCat]

Feeling like we're increasingly likely to trade at least our 1st, or our 2nd and 3rds to a team who needs points for next year. With that said, it also seems like we've just gone 'yep these rookies sucked and aren't likely to make it, let's give another bunch a shot in a much deeper draft - and maybe just go with the mature agers for the here and now.'

Something like (as an example, not the exact outcome):

Rookies:

OUT: Jeka, Hardie, Murdoch, Furphy
IN: Blakiston, Davidson, SSP/MSD, Burke

Senior:

OUT: Hawkins, Tuohy, Rohan, Parfitt, Foster, Willis
IN: B. Smith, J. Martin, (J. Whitlock/Hotton/Shanahan/Hynes etc. for Future 1st), Jacques, J. Henderson, Bice



Will be interesting to see what we do, but I thought something similar last week, and wouldn't be surprised to see us double down on the 'Mannagh strategy', and worry about the here and now - especially when we always seem to have so few decent picks.

Would also not surprise me if some of our later picks turn out better than a lot of the later ones. It's why recruiters want more picks. It's not a 'superstar draft', it's an even one. It's why someone like Hotton at 15 could be as good as J. Smith in the Top 5. Probably why we'll we happy to load up at any point, as we usually get at least one absolute gem at the end - and it costs us far less than trying to amass picks at the pointy end (we also don't lose players like other clubs, so that's another reason we don't have these picks).

 

[BORIS332]

Feeling like we're increasingly likely to trade at least our 1st, or our 2nd and 3rds to a team who needs points for next year. With that said, it also seems like we've just gone 'yep these rookies sucked and aren't likely to make it, let's give another bunch a shot in a much deeper draft - and maybe just go with the mature agers for the here and now.'

Something like (as an example, not the exact outcome):

Rookies:

OUT: Jeka, Hardie, Murdoch, Furphy
IN: Blakiston, Davidson, SSP/MSD, Burke

Senior:

OUT: Hawkins, Tuohy, Rohan, Parfitt, Foster, Willis
IN: B. Smith, J. Martin, (J. Whitlock/Hotton/Shanahan/Hynes etc. for Future 1st), Jacques, J. Henderson, Bice



Will be interesting to see what we do, but I thought something similar last week, and wouldn't be surprised to see us double down on the 'Mannagh strategy', and worry about the here and now - especially when we always seem to have so few decent picks.

Would also not surprise me if some of our later picks turn out better than a lot of the later ones. It's why recruiters want more picks. It's not a 'superstar draft', it's an even one. It's why someone like Hotton at 15 could be as good as J. Smith in the Top 5. Probably why we'll we happy to load up at any point, as we usually get at least one absolute gem at the end - and it costs us far less than trying to amass picks at the pointy end (we also don't lose players like other clubs, so that's another reason we don't have these picks).

The problem is Mannagh was absolutely dominant at VFL level and there aren't any mature age options nearly as good as him this year. We'd be much more likely to get a Hardie than a Mannagh.

 

[Footy Smarts]

I think they'll give him more time...he reminds me of a mix of Dempsey and Ollie Henry, tbh. If he shows something this year and stays injury free, I reckon he might get himself a senior game and get another contract. He's got a lot of tricks and plays much taller than his height suggests (similar to Close when he was drafted).

Less confident on Stevens given he's slow as a wet week and the game is trending away from that, but Wiltshire is a real chance given his attributes.

He might make it. I like the look of him. He reminds me quite a bit of Jack Martin.

But he'll be 23 by the end of next season. He's the same age as Holmes. There's no way we give him another contract unless he's shown enough to get a bunch of games next year and is either in the best 22 or very close.

 

[ShadowCat]

He might make it. I like the look of him. He reminds me quite a bit of Jack Martin.

But he'll be 23 by the end of next season. He's the same age as Holmes. There's no way we give him another contract unless he's shown enough to get a bunch of games next year and is either in the best 22 or very close.

I don't think that really matters tbh, as we took him as a 21 year old who had a lot of development left. 23 isn't the end of days, so I'd say they'd give him a couple of years to develop at least - before placing those expectations on him. Remember, he was only taken in last year's draft, and had a bit of injury at the start...so has only had a handful of games to showcase his wares.

We saw enough in him to take him as a senior pick rather than a rook, so I can't see him being delisted after only 1 initial contract. Even Foster and Willis got an extra year when they showed not much at all.

Reckon he builds this year, and then hopefully gets a 1 or 2 year extension and really starts hitting his straps at 24 or 25. Will be an interesting watch regardless, as I think he has loads of talent - just needs to get on the park/continue his development to showcase it and push for a senior spot when the opportunity presents. He's my 'breakout' in the VFL candidate for this year, IMO.

 

[Footy Smarts]

The problem is Mannagh was absolutely dominant at VFL level and there aren't any mature age options nearly as good as him this year. We'd be much more likely to get a Hardie than a Mannagh.

Mannagh dominated the grand final but wasn't the dominant player in the league. He didn't win Werribee's B&F for example. Hardie was similarly dominant in the SANFL before we picked him up.

The question isn't so much whether a player is dominating at VFL level. It's whether their skills translate. Mannagh's clearly do. Humphries only played WAFL seniors in the back half of the year last year and his skills clearly translate.

 

[BORIS332]

Look I agree 100 % I like pike and ajang and I think both could work long term but neither will play afl next year.

My point was with Furphy gone we have room to add another ruck (when you factor in the vfl side won't really have any tall fwd either) and given forward planning for no Stanley and blitz in 2026 we should.

The question is whether we are better off with the best raw long term kid (such as pike etc) or if we go and rookie the beat state league we can as afl cover in case we either want to move sdk back or he gets injured.

The cupboard is so bare now that I think we need a readymade ruck. Stanley is so cooked and Conway doesn't have the durability. All of our other options are just workarounds.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

The problem is Mannagh was absolutely dominant at VFL level and there aren't any mature age options nearly as good as him this year. We'd be much more likely to get a Hardie than a Mannagh.

Mannagh's an outlier though. We shouldn't be expecting another version of him, nor do we necessarily need it.

If he can perform for a full season like he did this year, he'd be knocking on the door of AA selection. He's also much older even for a 'mature age' pick-up. He's a very rare commodity.

You're right that we're highly unlikely to be finding another version of him, but if we can find another player at Close or Atkins' level with a late pick we'd be doing very well.

Those late picks are so unlikely to make it that even if you're just finding bottom 6-10 best 22 players, it's a huge win.

 

[bombersboy]

I thought he looked really good in the VFL. When the game was on the line he seemed like a real match winner. He did have a few different injuries - thumb, pelvis - and only managed 7 games, but he looks special.

I only saw Wiltshire late in the year when he came back from injury. Did not see anything to make me think he would still be on the list in 2026. Hope I am wrong.

 

[Boxhead_31]

I always thought Noah had everything it took to be a handy player, but it looks like he doesn't fit Richmond's plans going forward

 

[Lana]

I always thought Noah had everything it took to be a handy player, but it looks like he doesn't fit Richmond's plans going forward

Doesn't surprise, there types of players who add value being depth and as that last guy in the 22, who is capable of doing something big in the moment. But when you're shit, they have no growth potential, what they are now is all they'll be, you give the games to the guy who could be something that could hold up a 22.

 

[Footy Smarts]

I always thought Noah had everything it took to be a handy player, but it looks like he doesn't fit Richmond's plans going forward

When your only aim is to score goals you'll find a way to score goals. Unfortunately for him you need to be able to contribute to the team.

He looked a genuine spud this year.

 

[Gunf]

I always thought Noah had everything it took to be a handy player, but it looks like he doesn't fit Richmond's plans going forward

Hmm this actually surprises me with the massive lack of talent they have on the list

 

[bombersboy]

Given the number of list spots and our late picks any chance we re draft Rohan and Willis in Rookie draft?

 

[Rubberducky]

The cupboard is so bare now that I think we need a readymade ruck. Stanley is so cooked and Conway doesn't have the durability. All of our other options are just workarounds.

And this is why SDK’s future may be in the ruck for us in 2025.

 

[Strange Cat]

Given the number of list spots and our late picks any chance we re draft Rohan and Willis in Rookie draft?

I wouldn’t think so personally

 

[My Tilly]

And this is why SDK’s future may be in the ruck for us in 2025.

I agree.
I didn't mind what he showed in ruck this year. He was smashed by his older bro in his first go at it but slowly began to find a rhythm. It's more so his excellent agility and mobility around the ground which gives me great hope.

People say why play a valuable commodity in ruck where he could get injured but he's had no luck playing in the backline unscathed.

If he could strengthen up all preseason long, he would certainly be a solid first ruck in 2025.

 

[Hamingja]

I always thought Noah had everything it took to be a handy player, but it looks like he doesn't fit Richmond's plans going forward

This was the guy the mainboard Richmond posters were claiming to be talented youf yeah, just Hardwick, McQualter and Yze just all discriminated against him for no reason.

 

[Hamingja]

Humphries is great. But you're more likely to select a Cooper Whyte, Flynn Kroeger, Nick Stevens, Phoenix Foster or Cameron Taheny with those late picks, as we have in the last few years. People just happen to forget about them.

I don't think people forget about them. People just realise that it is a low probability that they make it. Toss the net out every year for 4-5 players late in the ND and rookie. Give them two years, if they haven't made it, toss the net out again for the next batch.

 

[calder_daddy]

Just a slight over reaction...

There were 15 selections taken from 50 pick last year:

• 2 picks each for St Kilda, Brisbane & Port
• 3 picks for Geelong

So 4 teams taking 9 of the last 15 picks; that's a bit different to "Geelong still choosing after all other teams had dropped out"

And seems there was a few diamonds in the rough late in last years draft

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Garcia, Roberts, Dear, Lorenz, Humphries all stand out.
Wow!

From memory and people correct me if I’m wrong but last year was meant to have a a really small amount of players drafted and it didn’t run deep
That says otherwise

 

[Interdimensional Bigfoot]

Charlie Lazzaro anyone?

 

[D BRIDGE]

Charlie Lazzaro anyone?

Hard pass.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I always thought Noah had everything it took to be a handy player, but it looks like he doesn't fit Richmond's plans going forward

I remember certain Richmond fans ranting about him being emerging youth and better than what we had in the pipeline

Good times