Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3

[My Tilly]

$7 million extension…idiots are still paying Gawn and Co

Going to end in tears

Oliver's about to hit rock bottom.

 

[Lana]

It us but the marketplace is changing and unless the afl reign in the PA this is what we will have to do more now.

In the NBA teams can get overly top heavy by putting too much money into too few players, a few injuries or deterioration can leave a club in no mans land for quite a while. I'd rather have less top end players and be more spread out, then let the coaching group nullify and amplify.

 

[And_ROOS]

$7 million extension…idiots are still paying Gawn and Co

Going to end in tears

What was Gawns deal? To be fair whatever they are paying him was absolutely worth it.

 

[Strange Cat]

What was Gawns deal? To be fair whatever they are paying him was absolutely worth it.

Point was that they are blowing their cap
Up big time with a extension with other high profile contracts on the books

 

[Turbocat]

1 year is interesting. Might be mannagh backing himself to be in the 22 all year and increase his value a lot. At his age any contract he gets past 26 is his last big contract and he has a young family so he needs to make hay while the sun shines.

Still Dempsey, close, sdek and neale and a bunch of others to sort out this year contract wise.

Still a couple of questions over him? If he can produce his best and eradicate those possible questions… then he may well get a big offer from someone.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Still a couple of questions over him? If he can produce his best and eradicate those possible questions… then he may well get a big offer from someone.

It's interesting my point was more that a 27yo late starter with a young family would generally want long term security.

So the 1 year says 1 of 2 things. Either 1. We aren't sure if we are contending post 2026 (this will be when danger goes) and so we want to wait till then til see as if we aren't contending we don't want a 29yo on a long term deal by then.
Or more likely the manager told him to only go 1 year and back himself in to shops the lights out and then get offered 3 or more years on bigger $ by us or somewhere else (which would be his last contract by then).

Could also be a bit of both camps.
But regardless you don't want him ooc in 2025 and being targeted for cents on the dollar so 1 year is good.

 

[Turbocat]

It's interesting my point was more that a 27yo late starter with a young family would generally want long term security.

So the 1 year says 1 of 2 things. Either 1. We aren't sure if we are contending post 2026 (this will be when danger goes) and so we want to wait till then til see as if we aren't contending we don't want a 29yo on a long term deal by then.
Or more likely the manager told him to only go 1 year and back himself in to shops the lights out and then get offered 3 or more years on bigger $ by us or somewhere else (which would be his last contract by then).

Could also be a bit of both camps.
But regardless you don't want him ooc in 2025 and being targeted for cents on the dollar so 1 year is good.

And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make


IMO.. If he can advance his output great but I think his output was pretty good. Its his occasional clangers that regenerate him as a guys who has come form VFL. If he can avoid those then he may well get that big dollars you mention.

 

[Lana]

It's interesting my point was more that a 27yo late starter with a young family would generally want long term security.

So the 1 year says 1 of 2 things. Either 1. We aren't sure if we are contending post 2026 (this will be when danger goes) and so we want to wait till then til see as if we aren't contending we don't want a 29yo on a long term deal by then.
Or more likely the manager told him to only go 1 year and back himself in to shops the lights out and then get offered 3 or more years on bigger $ by us or somewhere else (which would be his last contract by then).

Could also be a bit of both camps.
But regardless you don't want him ooc in 2025 and being targeted for cents on the dollar so 1 year is good.

I think the uncertainty is on both sides, his role was a bit of gimmick, if the roles get shuffled around enough (What we do with Blicavs will be a big determinator of this) we don't have that high half forward pushing to the be a +1 at the offensive side of the stoppage . An extra year at this pointis a show of comittment both ways. If he has a lightning start there is nothing stopping a further extention. From memory I think Zac Guthrie side two deals in one year, one early and one later after he had a breakout season.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I think the uncertainty is on both sides, his role was a bit of gimmick, if the roles get shuffled around enough (What we do with Blicavs will be a big determinator of this) we don't have that high half forward pushing to the be a +1 at the offensive side of the stoppage . An extra year at this pointis a show of comittment both ways. If he has a lightning start there is nothing stopping a further extention. From memory I think Zac Guthrie side two deals in one year, one early and one later after he had a breakout season.

Regardless of what we do with the role he's quality and I have no doubt he will be on a list in 2027 it's just a matter of whether it will be with us or not.
I think blitz is at the end and I think he plays kpd or ruck so it won't influence Shaun much. What will influence Shaun potentially is whether Martin makes the 22 as he plays best at HFF. But either way I think mannagh will be in the team somewhere.

You are right on Guthrie he signed a year and then a long term deal after 12 months and I can see us potentially doing the same with mannagh if it is working well in 12 months.

 

[Mr Meow]

I think the uncertainty is on both sides, his role was a bit of gimmick, if the roles get shuffled around enough (What we do with Blicavs will be a big determinator of this) we don't have that high half forward pushing to the be a +1 at the offensive side of the stoppage . An extra year at this pointis a show of comittment both ways. If he has a lightning start there is nothing stopping a further extention. From memory I think Zac Guthrie side two deals in one year, one early and one later after he had a breakout season.

Why would we take away one of our strengths from 2024, the high half forward who supports stoppages? Miers and Mannagh are both proven as elite players in that attacking wing/half forward role.

 

[Lana]

Why would we take away one of our strengths from 2024, the high half forward who supports stoppages? Miers and Mannagh are both proven as elite players in that attacking wing/half forward role.

It was a solution to problem that might not exist this year. We had offensive midfield quality issues, and we're struggling to find a mediocure ruck rotation. Probably still have the ruck issues, but we have Bailey Smith, and probably a better idea if we're commiting Stewart and Holmes more in the middle. Plus another pre-season for Bruhn.

I also can't see our MC wasting a full pre-season prepping with last years style

A high half forward allows the opposition easier rebound off half back through the coridor. Everyone is going to copy Brisbane at the start of the year, whether it is a good idea or not to not disimilar to the half arsed Collingwoodball we saw in the first 3rd of the year.

I think we'll equalise numbers around the ground from stoppages and press hard early in the year. Until clubs get it out of their system, it worked well for us at the start of last year, won a few games despite our poor conditioning off a bunch of teams' poor tactical nous

 

[Mr Meow]

It was a solution to problem that might not exist this year. We had offensive midfield quality issues, and we're struggling to find a mediocure ruck rotation. Probably still have the ruck issues, but we have Bailey Smith, and probably a better idea if we're commiting Stewart and Holmes more in the middle. Plus another pre-season for Bruhn.

I also can't see our MC wasting a full pre-season prepping with last years style

A high half forward allows the opposition easier rebound off half back through the coridor. Everyone is going to copy Brisbane at the start of the year, whether it is a good idea or not to not disimilar to the half arsed Collingwoodball we saw in the first 3rd of the year.

I think we'll equalise numbers around the ground from stoppages and press hard early in the year. Until clubs get it out of their system, it worked well for us at the start of last year, won a few games despite our poor conditioning off a bunch of teams' poor tactical nous

It was a point of difference we exploited to create scoring chains and keep as many skilful players on the ground as possible. I don't see that changing at all.

A midfield rotation mix of Danger, Stewart, Holmes, Smith and Bruhn doesn't make it more likely that a high performing half forward becomes redundant. It makes Bowes more likely to end up on a flank and players like Atkins/Clark may find minutes tougher.

We lost against Brisbane because our small defenders were poor and our small forwards weren't as clinical as usual in the second half (of course on top of the expected midfield deficiency and Holmes injury). Not because we played an extra half forward supporting stoppages.

 

[Lana]

It was a point of difference we exploited to create scoring chains and keep as many skilful players on the ground as possible. I don't see that changing at all.

A midfield rotation mix of Danger, Stewart, Holmes, Smith and Bruhn doesn't make it more likely that a high performing half forward becomes redundant. It makes Bowes more likely to end up on a flank and players like Atkins/Clark may find minutes tougher.

We lost against Brisbane because our small defenders were poor and our small forwards weren't as clinical as usual in the second half (of course on top of the expected midfield deficiency and Holmes injury). Not because we played an extra half forward supporting stoppages.

I get what you mean with an eye to more skillful players. Jye Clark, O'Connor, added to Parfitt already being dumped.
Hawkins out, Blicavs out of the midfield rotations. allowed for a reshuffle. Our midfield was doing fine defensively even if we were giving away too many opportunity. But it was absolutely inspid on offense, only really Danger and Holmes who could turn a loss to a draw and a draw in a win. Half the game Holmes was a defender, and Danger spends 40% of the game on the bench.

The aim of adding an extra player at the offensive side of the stoppage did was to give our midfielders an easy outlet to get a stoppage win, all our players had to tow was get the ball to the offensive side. And it worked really well. But it works best as an ambush, if do the same thing for too long club will work it out and exploit it.

We lost against Brisbane because we couldn't stop their drive off half back through the corridor. What would otherwise be dangerous ball movement wasn't cause we couldn't keep up. Our midfield was too broken down to give us any counter play.

A week later Brisbane used that drive to destory Sydney. That was Brisbane's growth in 12 months. In 23 they would have played it safe with their ball movement.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I get what you mean with an eye to more skillful players. Jye Clark, O'Connor, added to Parfitt already being dumped.
Hawkins out, Blicavs out of the midfield rotations. allowed for a reshuffle. Our midfield was doing fine defensively even if we were giving away too many opportunity. But it was absolutely inspid on offense, only really Danger and Holmes who could turn a loss to a draw and a draw in a win. Half the game Holmes was a defender, and Danger spends 40% of the game on the bench.

The aim of adding an extra player at the offensive side of the stoppage did was to give our midfielders an easy outlet to get a stoppage win, all our players had to tow was get the ball to the offensive side. And it worked really well. But it works best as an ambush, if do the same thing for too long club will work it out and exploit it.

We lost against Brisbane because we couldn't stop their drive off half back through the corridor. What would otherwise be dangerous ball movement wasn't cause we couldn't keep up. Our midfield was too broken down to give us any counter play.

A week later Brisbane used that drive to destory Sydney. That was Brisbane's growth in 12 months. In 23 they would have played it safe with their ball movement.

No doubt you want a plan to cover your weakeness and tactically counteract but you also want to play to our strengths. One of our key strengths is we have 3 small forwards miers close and Shaun who have huge tanks and massive running power and are great link players (miers because of his kicking at angles, close for linking by hands and Shaun with speed) compared to a lot of teams who have stay at home HFs that can't run like that. Plus Cameron has a huge strength getting up the ground and back better than most kpfs. So we would be silly not to have the game plan in a way that utilises that strength and allows us to kick big scores. So we may tweak our midfield a bit but I wouldn't expect that to change much.

 

[My Tilly]

Anyone hear any news on Harley Reid?

Someone told me he's a certainty to be heading back home to Victoria.
How would we realistically be able to make a trade happen?

 

[Cataholic]

Anyone hear any news on Harley Reid?

Someone told me he's a certainty to be heading back home to Victoria.
How would we realistically be able to make a trade happen?

There's been a lot of chat about that since before he even landed in Perth, but there's been no substance provided that I'm aware of.

Just opinions really.

Have you heard anything solid?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Anyone hear any news on Harley Reid?

Someone told me he's a certainty to be heading back home to Victoria.
How would we realistically be able to make a trade happen?

We would struggle purely because some other vic clubs like essendon and similar would be more likely to have earlier picks than us. We also will have a lot of cap room but it depends whether we are prepared to change our past salary policy and make him our highest paid player.

He would have to be pretty adamant about coming to Geelong and only Geelong as some other clubs will offer him crazy salary numbers.

Even then you are probably looking at 3 r1s (given none of ours would be likely top 5) or 2 and a good player (no doubt they would hassle us for humphries or neale and we wouldn't want to trade either).

Not impossible but it would take a lot to pull it off.

 

[Turbocat]

Anyone hear any news on Harley Reid?

Someone told me he's a certainty to be heading back home to Victoria.
How would we realistically be able to make a trade happen?

I cant see it happening before he is OOC. so end of 2026.…. but as he approaches OOC. without a new contract being signed then id expect media noise. Going by the noise that BSmith generated… if he does want out id expect to hear something to hit the media in 2025..perhaps a a season and half before it happens.

Like with Smith ..…it will be totally up to him to signal he wants to move to play at club X.. or in state X (probably vic ). Give the destination club time to prepare and load.

Once he gives the head nod on destination. ..the destination club best get ready to sell their soul as it will take plenty. Some clubs will have earlier picks than others may get it done for less picks …but would he choose to move to them.

Id say the most likely outcome is that if he were to move it would be to a club that wins games, is at a minimum , competitive and plays in big block buster games at the G .. he will get offered huge money from all it just a matter of him balancing that against the other aspects.

The ability to trade multiple years would have to be used..and would be asked for ..especially to move from WC to us. For a club like us … our picks are normally late R1 … so it might take 3 or 4 R1 picks and or players. If we trade our 2025 R1 into 2026…. then id say media interest factor would elevate. What the rule is on 2 in 4 years ..when a club can trade multiple years. We did not have a R1 in 2024. Could we go multiple years without a R1? Is Reid worth that really?

..of course if we lost a player , like we did with Kelly, that endowed us with multiple early picks , the situations changes a bit.

 

[Mr Meow]

I get what you mean with an eye to more skillful players. Jye Clark, O'Connor, added to Parfitt already being dumped.
Hawkins out, Blicavs out of the midfield rotations. allowed for a reshuffle. Our midfield was doing fine defensively even if we were giving away too many opportunity. But it was absolutely inspid on offense, only really Danger and Holmes who could turn a loss to a draw and a draw in a win. Half the game Holmes was a defender, and Danger spends 40% of the game on the bench.

The aim of adding an extra player at the offensive side of the stoppage did was to give our midfielders an easy outlet to get a stoppage win, all our players had to tow was get the ball to the offensive side. And it worked really well. But it works best as an ambush, if do the same thing for too long club will work it out and exploit it.

We lost against Brisbane because we couldn't stop their drive off half back through the corridor. What would otherwise be dangerous ball movement wasn't cause we couldn't keep up. Our midfield was too broken down to give us any counter play.

A week later Brisbane used that drive to destory Sydney. That was Brisbane's growth in 12 months. In 23 they would have played it safe with their ball movement.

I agree with the first half of your post but not the second.

The extra at the stoppage wasn't to give more stoppage wins, it was simply to improve our quality around the ball in converting congestion to attacking plays. That isn't a system that becomes redundant even if the midfield group start winning more stoppages.

Mannagh and Miers rotated between classic half forwards and a role akin to wingmen. All that happened in the prelim was that outside of an electric second quarter they had less efficient, damaging games (along with every forward besides Henry).

If the attacks had their usual cutting edge Brisbane would not have had so many slingshot opportunities. You don't take away your strength just in case players have an off night and it opens up a different weakness.

Brisbanes forwards stood up more when it counted. That was the game decider as despite our midfield disadvantage we created as many meaningful chances. "Clutchness" isn't something that you can control by moving a damaging half forward our of the side.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

We would struggle purely because some other vic clubs like essendon and similar would be more likely to have earlier picks than us. We also will have a lot of cap room but it depends whether we are prepared to change our past salary policy and make him our highest paid player.

He would have to be pretty adamant about coming to Geelong and only Geelong as some other clubs will offer him crazy salary numbers.

Even then you are probably looking at 3 r1s (given none of ours would be likely top 5) or 2 and a good player (no doubt they would hassle us for humphries or neale and we wouldn't want to trade either).

Not impossible but it would take a lot to pull it off.

Depends if Harls is waiting for his contract to be up.

Contracted? We're not in the convo. Uncontracted? West Coast aren't in the convo

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I agree with the first half of your post but not the second.

The extra at the stoppage wasn't to give more stoppage wins, it was simply to improve our quality around the ball in converting congestion to attacking plays. That isn't a system that becomes redundant even if the midfield group start winning more stoppages.

Mannagh and Miers rotated between classic half forwards and a role akin to wingmen. All that happened in the prelim was that outside of an electric second quarter they had less efficient, damaging games (along with every forward besides Henry).

If the attacks had their usual cutting edge Brisbane would not have had so many slingshot opportunities. You don't take away your strength just in case players have an off night and it opens up a different weakness.

Brisbanes forwards stood up more when it counted. That was the game decider as despite our midfield disadvantage we created as many meaningful chances. "Clutchness" isn't something that you can control by moving a damaging half forward our of the side.

That first part us why i was against bringing Mannagh in, I couldn't see how it made us win more contested ball. He made our ball movement so much better though.

 

[Kitcat]

I cant see it happening before he is OOC. so end of 2026.…. but as he approaches OOC. without a new contract being signed then id expect media noise. Going by the noise that BSmith generated… if he does want out id expect to hear something to hit the media in 2025..perhaps a a season and half before it happens.

Like with Smith ..…it will be totally up to him to signal he wants to move to play at club X.. or in state X (probably vic ). Give the destination club time to prepare and load.

Once he gives the head nod on destination. ..the destination club best get ready to sell their soul as it will take plenty. Some clubs will have earlier picks than others may get it done for less picks …but would he choose to move to them.

Id say the most likely outcome is that if he were to move it would be to a club that wins games, is at a minimum , competitive and plays in big block buster games at the G .. he will get offered huge money from all it just a matter of him balancing that against the other aspects.

The ability to trade multiple years would have to be used..and would be asked for ..especially to move from WC to us. For a club like us … our picks are normally late R1 … so it might take 3 or 4 R1 picks and or players. If we trade our 2025 R1 into 2026…. then id say media interest factor would elevate. What the rule is on 2 in 4 years ..when a club can trade multiple years. We did not have a R1 in 2024. Could we go multiple years without a R1? Is Reid worth that really?

..of course if we lost a player , like we did with Kelly, that endowed us with multiple early picks , the situations changes a bit.

If during next season WC believe Reid will leave, why wait until he is out of contract, as WC will be in a worse position as they will then be forced to do a trade.

If they trade him at the end of next season, they lose a player whose heart is not in the club, and get a year’s start on rebuilding the team, with multiple first rounders to bring back WA players in other states, for example. Otherwise, they are treading water as he can’t help them in a flag pursuit as they are too far away from that. It also avoids the risk of a drop in value should he get a bad injury in his 3rd season, as happened to Bailey Smith.

If they can’t get an acceptable deal, then they have another chance the following year.

 

[Hamingja]

The only way we would have the trade capital for Reid is if we finished bottom 4.

I would say the only way he plays for Geelong is if he stays long enough at the Eagles to hit free agency like Danger at the crows.

 

[Turkey Tom]

The only way we would have the trade capital for Reid is if we finished bottom 4.

....or are willing to give up a good asset.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Depends if Harls is waiting for his contract to be up.

Contracted? We're not in the convo. Uncontracted? West Coast aren't in the convo

Yes and no.
Contracted I agree they are simply going to flat our refuse to trade him (as they should).
But ooc while wce have less leverage we still have to satisfy his manager.
And I can see some vic clubs like for example essendon and hawthorn offering way more in terms of $ than we will (unless we change our previous policy on salaries). I can't see him leaving say 400k a year on the table to come here but I could be wrong.

One thing I do know is if he did come here even ooc it would cost us more than Cameron did (factoring in that was a covid draft so the real cost there wasn't as high as it looked on paper) and it will be the highest price trade in terms of trade capital we've ever done. What it would cost would mean some supporters would love it and some would hate it.