Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3

[cats_09]

Has Connor's name been mentioned?

 

[Boxhead_31]

Come on guys wanting to go full tilt on Oliver- can we remember 50 pages of slamming Melbourne for that massive dollar deal? Then he falls off the perch, with years to go on huge money. The risk that Clarry will/won't straighten up for us might be something we would take at the right price.
There's not a snowballs chance in hell we take on all of their ongoing stupid debt!

Do people forget that contracts can be renegotiated?
Remember when Bowes came in, the first thing the club did was to redo the contract

 

[supahoops]

Go for it

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We get 21yo CO I’d throw in a second.

 

[iameviljez]

Do people forget that contracts can be renegotiated?
Remember when Bowes came in, the first thing the club did was to redo the contract

Oliver doesn't need to be on the same contract with us as per Melbourne anyway. It's not like a tenancy transfer

 

[Max Rooke]

Thought I'd raise this here after an interesting discussion on FB that Dangerfield should only get a 1-yr and not the reported 2-yr deal thats seemingly been agreed to. I'm trying to make the point that a two year deal would be as much about list management & staggering retirements, knowing where the salary cap stands etc

Aging players out of contract at the end of next season will be Bews, Blicavs, Duncan*, Guthrie & Stanley* and that's 1187 games to date - *based on Mitch & Rhys signing 1-yr deals

Dangerfield currently has 337 games under his belt, then there's Atkins who turns 30 next September with 127 games - add these two to the above list and that's currently 1651 games of experience before any games are played in 2025

Based on current contract list on Footywire, aging players out of contract in 26 - Kolodjashnij & O'Connor with a combined 320 games

Looking at the picture over two years, I can totally understand why we'd be quite happy to sign Dangerfield on a two year deal, and thinking we'd likely try to sign 1-yr extensions for at least 1 or 2 players out of contract at the end of next season to stagger out retirements

For context, from our retirements & delistings this season, we lost 988 games of experience - not sure we suddenly want to be losing 1200/1300 games in one year and then like a quarter of that the next

I’m all for 2 years for Danger. Just want to see him play forward more. Would be a real headache for oppositions.
Oliver + Smith would help this.

 

[Johanpetro]

Even Trade Radio can't sell this one as plausible in the slightest sense

To think Cooney got paid (probably very well) to come up with that pure dribble

 

[Grimoz]

I just want some updates, too much sitting here and waiting for absolutely nothing unless you barrack for Richmond. Just scrap the trade period and make it a 2 day lodgement weekend!!!

 

[Gunf]

Surely the only thing more desperate & sad than rejecting a first round pick & walking Smith to the draft is to trade back into the first round so you can redraft an unwanted player

The AFL and AFLPA would never let that happen

 

[D BRIDGE]

I love trade period.

But simply put… almost nothing happens until the last day.

Sure there’s thing behind the scenes going on but I doubt it’s rushed.

Trade radio makes a stack from Ads running constantly.

I have it on a know it’s a waste of time… but still have it on.

I’m not sure what can be done to revamp it all and make it far more fluent and interesting… but there’s no way this is as good as it can get.

The most entertaining thing about it so far is going on other teams boards and getting a good lol out of how delusional of them are.

 

[Gunf]

I see the Oliver situation going two ways if he comes to us

1. We pay the full salary but Melb give us something
2 Melb pay some of the salary and we give them something depending on the amount they pay (a first or second or maybe a 3rd)

I am betting Mackie and CO want number 2 as we have had a very strict salary method for a very long time and they 100% don't want to mess with it as that could change things for the future in bad ways.

Technically we have a 3rd option which would be for Oliver to accept a new contract with us that is for less which would see us giving something to Melb (probably a first) but i see this as the least likely option.


IMO the order we should consider these would be

3

2















1

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I just want some updates, too much sitting here and waiting for absolutely nothing unless you barrack for Richmond. Just scrap the trade period and make it a 2 day lodgement weekend!!!

I can give you an accurate update: nothing is happening

 

[allrighty]

If Oliver wants to come to Cats + MFC bully him to stay, it will explode
Their spurious attempts at schrader beperkend were for two reasons, containing their boiling cluster**** + to save face so oppo team players were still undeterred about going to MFC. Then Tim Lamb threw petrol on the blaze.

To force Oliver to stay, against his will is a huge alarm + fuels their club debacle.

We’ve discussed MFC ignoring Oliver’s mental health + wellbeing.

On the one hand, Mackie stated Geelong respects MFC‘s decision. On the other hand, there are still rumblings Oliver wants to leave + many MFC players want him gone.

Oliver is silent, gagged by MFC?

If the trade is still happening, I think Oliver’s agent is working in the background to arrange the trade + AFLPA + AFL could be involved.

As a previous member stated, if MFC agree to the trade + wish Oliver well, they would be regarded in a slightly better light.

Still Oliver’s contract is a huge impediment.

schrader beperkend - wtf?

As I said earlier I don't have knowledge of specifics of AFL contract clauses but I would have thought there are always grounds to break an employment contract by all parties if the circumstances warrant.

This is a cluster**** as you say, and you are right that if MFC facilitate a fair trade they will be viewed much more favourably by their players and the broader community.

Their members will be split on this of course. But would you rather support a club and coach that has some active and real concern for players' mental and physical (e.g. Trac) wellbeing or flails about with their arses exposed from one cockup to the next? And I might add increase immensely the potential for future legal issues around negligence?

We can only hope that a few at MFC remove their heads from their rectums and make something happen that is a positive not just a posturing.

 

[Boxhead_31]

The AFL and AFLPA would never let that happen

Would be the surest trigger for a restraint of trade lawsuit the one thing the AFL is most afraid of

 

[allrighty]

EDIT:

While searching, MFC’s only concern was:
“Clayton Oliver has got some personal challenges and that’s the best way we can describe it. It’s a very complex situation that we’ve got going on with Clayton and clearly those challenges have been ongoing for multiple years,” Goodwin said.

“And if he can’t come along with our culture, there will be some consequences that come with that and we need to be in a position where we can drive our high-performance culture and Clayton is a big part of that.“

“Goodwin confirmed the side had pushed Oliver to be more professional, which the club also confirmed in a letter to members on Monday night.”

Goodwin = schmuck IMO

 

[allrighty]

As for Oliver turning up to the B&F ........means absolutely nothing.

Contractual obligation I'd think

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Goodwin = schmuck IMO

Absolutely!

Plus ‘rumours’ about his substance taking in 2023

Who knows? Whole MFC = catastrophic disaster.

 

[iameviljez]

Yes I think there's a general acceptance that what MFC are saying publicly Vs privately are poles apart. As I said, I think the most telling aspect of all this is the complete silence from Oliver and his management group. Until they put this whole thing to bed and kill of any speculation, I'm personally of the view that it's still got life.

As for Oliver turning up to the B&F ........means absolutely nothing.

I also suspect that Brad Green isn't on the same page as Gary Pert.

 

[dangerwood]

I love trade period.

But simply put… almost nothing happens until the last day.

Sure there’s thing behind the scenes going on but I doubt it’s rushed.

Trade radio makes a stack from Ads running constantly.

I have it on a know it’s a waste of time… but still have it on.

I’m not sure what can be done to revamp it all and make it far more fluent and interesting… but there’s no way this is as good as it can get.

The most entertaining thing about it so far is going on other teams boards and getting a good lol out of how delusional of them are.

My interest in it has dropped the more they've tried to make it entertaining. It use to be quite compulsive listening/checking because big trades could drop at any moment during "trade week" so it was kind of worth paying attention to.

The commercialisation of it has killed it because we know none of the interesting trades will drop until Wednesday night, so there's just no point listening the rest of the time.

If I recall correctly it use to only be a couple of days? And clubs didn't actually think that was enough time to action all the deals, then it got extended.

I think a week, Monday to Friday is enough, and even if they want to do their TV show on the Friday night and drop all the trades. I'd still probably listen more during the week to get any indication of what the trade might look like.

 

[cats_09]

The AFL and AFLPA would never let that happen

And in 2025 we have an update to Free Agency rules - all players who've played 100+ games for their club become free agents when next out of contract, with restricted free agency condition removed

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Do people forget that contracts can be renegotiated?
Remember when Bowes came in, the first thing the club did was to redo the contract

Some here suggested Oliver’s contract should be ripped up. Would his MFC contract still be included in Geelong salary cap?

 

[iameviljez]

If I recall correctly it use to only be a couple of days? And clubs didn't actually think that was enough time to action all the deals, then it got extended.

It used to just be a couple of days because there weren't that many trades. Look at (randomly chosen, I swear) 2006 - there were 7 trades in the whole week.

A lot of factors have opened up trade week, IMO:

1. Just increasing professionalism - so, with the maturation of the game, comes increasing player movement. As we get further from the old zoning days, where a lot of players were drafted to their 'local' club, the one-club player becomes a thing of a the past.
2. Future pick trading
3. Free agency
4. Back-loaded salaries creating headaches for clubs (Treloar, Bowes, Lukosius, GWS in general, Grundy, etc)
5. Clubs being much more aggressive in courting players
6. Longer careers

 

[iameviljez]

And in 2025 we have an update to Free Agency rules - all players who've played 100+ games for their club become free agents when next out of contract, with restricted free agency condition removed

I'd like to see this happen. Frankly, any player should be a FA at the end of contract.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

It used to just be a couple of days because there weren't that many trades. Look at (randomly chosen, I swear) 2006 - there were 7 trades in the whole week.

A lot of factors have opened up trade week, IMO:

1. Just increasing professionalism - so, with the maturation of the game, comes increasing player movement. As we get further from the old zoning days, where a lot of players were drafted to their 'local' club, the one-club player becomes a thing of a the past.
2. Future pick trading
3. Free agency
4. Back-loaded salaries creating headaches for clubs (Treloar, Bowes, Lukosius, GWS in general, Grundy, etc)
5. Clubs being much more aggressive in courting players
6. Longer careers

I definitely think 2 and 3 are the drivers for 4 and 5. 4 probably leads a bit to 6.

 

[cats_09]

Let's go back in time 12 months and show some respect for this call from JJ

 

[Gunf]

Let's go back in time 12 months and show some respect for this call from JJ

Having a quick skim of the replies is hella funny