Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3

[cats_09]

Here's 2024 Provisional AFL Draft Order

Cheers to Lore for their hard work in setting this up, and making it available for all users on BF to use and keep track of the picks ahead of the upcoming draft - and please practice patience grasshoppers if it's not updated in the immediate aftermath of completed trade





I'll also sticky this post to ensure it's easily accessible for discussion of our hypothetical trader


Also,

2024 Draft and Trade Period Key Dates​

Oct 17 to Nov 8: Pick swap window
Nov 1 to Nov 8: Delisted free agency period
Nov 20-21: Telstra AFL Draft
Nov 22: Telstra Pre-Season Draft and Rookie Draft

 

[CatToTheFuture]

The thing is that was us last year too. Our demographics looked nowhere near that of a top 4 team. The fact we competed shows there's real talent on our list with players having big impacts way before and after their peaks.

Ultimately young players don't save you if they're no good. And Richmond are in the boat. Look at their under 24s. Is there a Holmes there? Or a Dempsey? Or an SDK or a Bailey Smith? No. There's not even an Ollie Henry, Tanner Bruhn or Lawson Humphries there that I can see. Jhye Clark who most around here are disappointed with would probably be their most impressive young player if he was at Richmond!

I would like it noted for the record that I quite like Kane McAuliffe too

 

[Interdimensional Bigfoot]

One should have been enough.

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

The thing is that was us last year too. Our demographics looked nowhere near that of a top 4 team. The fact we competed shows there's real talent on our list with players having big impacts way before and after their peaks.

Ultimately young players don't save you if they're no good. And Richmond are in the boat. Look at their under 24s. Is there a Holmes there? Or a Dempsey? Or an SDK or a Bailey Smith? No. There's not even an Ollie Henry, Tanner Bruhn or Lawson Humphries there that I can see. Jhye Clark who most around here are disappointed with would probably be their most impressive young player if he was at Richmond!

The irony here is I was thinking why you talking smack to Ollie Henry and Lawson

(I know you aren't though)

 

[Lana]

Herbert would be a good pick.
Last 2 years he has been pretty good.
Since he has moved down back he has been a pretty consistent performer.

I think Humphries closed that door

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I think Humphries closed that door

Not necessarily as they are different types of players. That said with 7 spots to fill we probably need to focus on at least one mature age (probably henderson) and a few talls so it will squeeze spots for guys like Herbert (until the end of next year when we have a bigger turnover).

 

[Hinkley29]

The thing is that was us last year too. Our demographics looked nowhere near that of a top 4 team. The fact we competed shows there's real talent on our list with players having big impacts way before and after their peaks.

Ultimately young players don't save you if they're no good. And Richmond are in the boat. Look at their under 24s. Is there a Holmes there? Or a Dempsey? Or an SDK or a Bailey Smith? No. There's not even an Ollie Henry, Tanner Bruhn or Lawson Humphries there that I can see. Jhye Clark who most around here are disappointed with would probably be their most impressive young player if he was at Richmond!

On what basis do you know that their U24 players are no good? At this point in their development you are just guessing.

When our crop of players were coming through in the early 2000’s half of them looked like good average players at best, until they all caught fire and suddenly they were all guns. Development is not linear, for all we know Richmond could be sitting in a goldmine of talent, or they could all be busts, but at this point it is way too early to tell.

 

[Hinkley29]

One should have been enough.

Heaven forbid we look after our all time great players

 

[Lana]

On what basis do you know that their U24 players are no good? At this point in their development you are just guessing.

When our crop of players were coming through in the early 2000’s half of them looked like good average players at best, until they all caught fire and suddenly they were all guns. Development is not linear, for all we know Richmond could be sitting in a goldmine of talent, or they could all be busts, but at this point it is way too early to tell.

They clearly don't think so... they blew up their list,

 

[CatToTheFuture]

They clearly don't think so... they blew up their list,

They had ample opportunity for the kids and they are not showing faith in them

 

[Hinkley29]

They clearly don't think so... they blew up their list,

Richmond currently have 35 listed players for 2025, 18 of them are under 24 years of age, and they are about to draft a bunch more. They may have blown up their list, but well more than half their list are players that we simply don’t have enough info to decide if they are any good yet.

Let’s not dance on their graves just yet, as much as we would love to.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

On what basis do you know that their U24 players are no good? At this point in their development you are just guessing.

When our crop of players were coming through in the early 2000’s half of them looked like good average players at best, until they all caught fire and suddenly they were all guns. Development is not linear, for all we know Richmond could be sitting in a goldmine of talent, or they could all be busts, but at this point it is way too early to tell.

Clubs don't tend to blow up their lists for anything they can get when they're sitting on a goldmine of talent. Even Richmond supporters have accepted it at this point.

There's a couple that show signs. Campbell looks like being a decent player, Gibcus has his moments but can't stay healthy, and Brown can show flashes of talent, but that's as good as it's got.

Outside of that, it's not looking good. It would be like us sitting around with James Parsons, Timm House, Quinton Narkle, & Charlie Constable and claiming they're actually great, they just haven't been able to show it yet.

It would be ridiculous, and we'd rightfully be called out for being delusional nuffies huffing on copium.

Sometimes you just know. They might be sitting on a goldmine in a few weeks time, but they're not as we speak.

 

[Lana]

Richmond currently have 35 listed players for 2025, 18 of them are under 24 years of age, and they are about to draft a bunch more. They may have blown up their list, but well more than half their list are players that we simply don’t have enough info to decide if they are any good yet.

Let’s not dance on their graves just yet, as much as we would love to.

Go through the names, I'm confident that they've dug themselves into a hole that will take a decade to get out of.

 

[MacStradbroke]

On what basis do you know that their U24 players are no good? At this point in their development you are just guessing.

When our crop of players were coming through in the early 2000’s half of them looked like good average players at best, until they all caught fire and suddenly they were all guns. Development is not linear, for all we know Richmond could be sitting in a goldmine of talent, or they could all be busts, but at this point it is way too early to tell.

Under 24 could be 5 or 6 years into their career, you’d want to have shown a little by then, unless you’re 210cm tall.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Herbert would be a good pick.
Last 2 years he has been pretty good.
Since he has moved down back he has been a pretty consistent performer.

They do rate him very highly within the walls of Kardinia Park from what i've heard.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Richmond currently have 35 listed players for 2025, 18 of them are under 24 years of age, and they are about to draft a bunch more. They may have blown up their list, but well more than half their list are players that we simply don’t have enough info to decide if they are any good yet.

Let’s not dance on their graves just yet, as much as we would love to.

A lot of them are not as good as what other clubs like us have in the young talent space. Gibcus is very good if injury prone and I like brown but a lot of the rest are long shots to make it and role players at best.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

They do rate him very highly within the walls of Kardinia Park from what i've heard.

Herbert has been really good this year and improved more than I thought he could.
The thing that gives me pause if he's playing MF is his size-we already have a lot of these around 180cm mids including bruhn and Atkins and clohesy and Clark and mullin etc. It would be nice to have some more height there which is why it would be good if knevitt comes on. I wonder if the mix works unless say Herbert comes in and phases Atkins out.
It's less of an issue if they are drafting him as a specialist back pocket.

But on effort he probably deserves a rookie list year like Atkins did when he started. But guys like pike fill more of a list need so it's a tough one.

 

[Footy Smarts]

On what basis do you know that their U24 players are no good? At this point in their development you are just guessing.

When our crop of players were coming through in the early 2000’s half of them looked like good average players at best, until they all caught fire and suddenly they were all guns. Development is not linear, for all we know Richmond could be sitting in a goldmine of talent, or they could all be busts, but at this point it is way too early to tell.

Their under 21s have time but they're also very speculative picks who haven't done much at AFL level.

The 21-24 group is a debacle. The comparison to our early 2000s team is pretty funny.

3-5 years into their career guys like Corey, Chapman, Ling, Ablett, Bartel, etc were key members of a team that just lost a prelim. 3-5 years into their careers Dow, Sonsie, Cumberland, Ralphsmith, etc couldn't hold their spot in the worst team in the comp.

Barring a miracle with the 1st and 2nd year speculative picks I'd say their current under 24s are the worst the AFL has seen this century. Yes they'll bring in a lot of talent this year but my god do they need it.

 

[Lana]

Herbert has been really good this year and improved more than I thought he could.
The thing that gives me pause if he's playing MF is his size-we already have a lot of these around 180cm mids including bruhn and Atkins and clohesy and Clark and mullin etc. It would be nice to have some more height there which is why it would be good if knevitt comes on. I wonder if the mix works unless say Herbert comes in and phases Atkins out.
It's less of an issue if they are drafting him as a specialist back pocket.

But on effort he probably deserves a rookie list year like Atkins did when he started. But guys like pike fill more of a list need so it's a tough one.

He is definitely our best VFL listed player, I just don't see him playing anywhere at AFL but as an unaccountable rebounding defender, and we have no shortage of guys who can do that role well.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

He is definitely our best VFL listed player, I just don't see him playing anywhere at AFL but as an unaccountable rebounding defender, and we have no shortage of guys who can do that role well.

I wonder if you could make him into a specialist lock down small defender (what bews used to be). He's got the toughness and accountability for it but maybe not the speed.
I agree he's our best vfl player on current form (we need to improve the vfl list though) so it's a matter if you reward him with a year as a rookie (which we have done before) or whether we go for bigger list needs.