Club Focus Gold Coast SUNS 2023

[Chris25]

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[Dockeroo]

Dont agree that Eagles or North wont trade for pick 4 with their F1st.

Suns will have other players who likely leave and with 4 nga's list spots are tight. To land a top 2 pick in 2024 Suns can offer pick 4 plus a player or add a later pick.

Pick 4 and Flanders to North? A tall defender would make more sense.

Pick 4 and Jeffrey for Norths or Eagles F 1st. Throw in a F2nd instead. Suns have so many options to trade for a 2024 pick 1 or 2. And the benefit of getting ahead of nga bids is a tangible one.

It would be a pretty bold strategy for the two of the worst teams in AFL history to trade out an F1. I can’t see it happening.

 

[Makeshift Park]

It would be a pretty bold strategy for the two of the worst teams in AFL history to trade out an F1. I can’t see it happening.

Much would depend on how well they rate the top prospects in 2024, and how they compare with this year's 4-5.

 

[faible]

It would be a pretty bold strategy for the two of the worst teams in AFL history to trade out an F1. I can’t see it happening.

I could imagine Clarkson being that bold, trading out a likely Top-3 2024 pick for a Top-5 2023 pick isn't that crazy.

 

[Makeshift Park]

I could imagine Clarkson being that bold, trading out a likely Top-3 2024 pick for a Top-5 2023 pick isn't that crazy.

Hook up the two Tassie mates, McKercher and Sanders a la Rowell and Anderson;
Bring in the small forward wunderkind who played alongside his son and the best key defender available in McKay's absence.

I could see it too.

Equally, Twomey has Duursma rated #3 in today's edition of the phantom draft, and so I wonder whether we could slide down to GC's pick, and what they could offer to make it attractive.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Why can't every team do that.

hawks can do that with their 3 for Dees 5.

3 for 5+15

then 5 for 7+20 from Adelaide

then 7 for 11+17 from dogs

end with 11,15,17,20 after starting with 3

See all teams can play this game.

They could do that but why would they? Only GC have their drafting basically done already with three first round picks locked in

 

[Iva Bigun]

You are off with the fairies.

Happy to burn all of the Suns picks on nga's and not use the rules to full advantage like Collingwood did with Diacos, Bulldogs did with Ugle-Hagan, Swans do with their academy kids every year.

Happy to hand other top clubs an advantage in drafting.

By a club who has yet to acheive anything.

You’re dreaming mate.

You’re are entitled to your opinion but you may have misunderstood, or I didn’t explain well enough. I’m not advocating the use the existing picks we have as the primary strategy.

I don’t argue that if opportunities present themselves that are beneficial we should exploit them. In fact I have said so several times.

What I am saying is that if they don’t we don’t have to give a leg up to the likes of the Crows by accepting a suit of later picks like 20 and 24 etc just to move pick 4 so it doesn’t get “wasted”

Ideally, we should be looking to use it in trading for a gun player, first and foremost

If that doesn’t happen then trade it into next year assuming someone makes an attractive proposal. Such as next years first from a likely bottom 5 club with a late 2nd coming back to us this year to help offset some of the points we lose by moving pick 4.

Then only if any of the above doesn’t eventuate have the balls to say stick your lowball offers up your arse we will just take it to the draft.

Do I think that will happen ? No. Do I think clubs and fans think they can get pick 4 for SFA? Yes, because we have a history of abysmal trade decisions so why wouldn’t they.

If that’s off with the fairies then so be it.

 

[Obeanie1]

You’re are entitled to your opinion but you may have misunderstood, or I didn’t explain well enough. I’m not advocating the use the existing picks we have as the primary strategy.

I don’t argue that if opportunities present themselves that are beneficial we should exploit them. In fact I have said so several times.

What I am saying is that if they don’t we don’t have to give a leg up to the likes of the Crows by accepting a suit of later picks like 20 and 24 etc just to move pick 4 so it doesn’t get “wasted”

Ideally, we should be looking to use it in trading for a gun player, first and foremost

If that doesn’t happen then trade it into next year assuming someone makes an attractive proposal. Such as next years first from a likely bottom 5 club with a late 2nd coming back to us this year to help offset some of the points we lose by moving pick 4.

Then only if any of the above doesn’t eventuate have the balls to say stick your lowball offers up your arse we will just take it to the draft.

Do I think that will happen ? No. Do I think clubs and fans think they can get pick 4 for SFA? Yes, because we have a history of abysmal trade decisions so why wouldn’t they.

If that’s off with the fairies then so be it.

Eagles F 1st isnt a low ball offer as a basis for a deal.

And I will bet a body part the Suns will trade pick 4 and if it does trade players out they will be very active in moving otjer picks into 2024. Even paying a premium to do so.

Because burning picks on nga bids isn't smart list management.

 

[Jirik13]

Feels like hawks and north do well suns don’t. Gives them a pick prior to Walter sure but the rest might be 10/20/30 to essentially upgrade a few spots add some points and lose Ben King. I wouldn’t go near it if I were the suns. I don’t see them trading their first until the night, they will see where they end up on points for matching end of the trade period and that will determine the going rate for their first.

IMO Sharp will go to the Eagles for a junk pick and a promise not to bid on Walter (which WC probably wouldn't do anyway).

Unlikely the Suns trade their future first either with more academy bids to match in the coming years. 3 first rounders is enough this year, can always trade up next year if the academy kids aren't as good and they want a top pick.

Eagles F 1st isnt a low ball offer as a basis for a deal.

And I will bet a body part the Suns will trade pick 4 and if it does trade players out they will be very active in moving otjer picks into 2024. Even paying a premium to do so.

Because burning picks on nga bids isn't smart list management.

Suns have academy not NGA Different rules.

Ideally, Suns would use pick 4 for A grader.

Suns will take 3 academy kids and possibly even 4 (+ Graham).

Suns will take best offer for pick 4. Clubs are lining up for it.

 

[juss]

Richmond are the obvious team that should be going hard at the Suns to get into the first round.
We probably need to be creative with either points or salary packaging into how we'd actually get it from them though.

 

[Iva Bigun]

Hook up the two Tassie mates, McKercher and Sanders a la Rowell and Anderson;
Bring in the small forward wunderkind who played alongside his son and the best key defender available in McKay's absence.

I could see it too.

Equally, Twomey has Duursma rated #3 in today's edition of the phantom draft, and so I wonder whether we could slide down to GC's pick, and what they could offer to make it attractive.

The issue is if Eagles have pick 1 they could still bid on Walter, it’s unlikely but if they do they know we would match and we would of lost pick 2 AND whatever sweetener we gave up to get Norths pick.

It would have to be pick 1 or a wink , wink deal done with the Eagles. Sharp and something else not to bid. Can’t see it happening

I’m still hoping that once Dimma is announced that he can persuade a gun to come to the club that we can somehow use pick 4 on.

 

[Dockeroo]

Suns have academy not NGA Different rules.

Ideally, Suns would use pick 4 for A grader.

Suns will take 3 academy kids and possibly even 4 (+ Graham).

Suns will take best offer for pick 4. Clubs are lining up for it.

In the entire history of the suns and the giants, has there ever been a genuine A grader, at the peak of their powers or approaching it, traded from one of the other 16 clubs to the Suns or Giants?

 

[Makeshift Park]

The issue is if Eagles have pick 1 they could still bid on Walter, it’s unlikely but if they do they know we would match and we would of lost pick 2 AND whatever sweetener we gave up to get Norths pick.

It would have to be pick 1 or a wink , wink deal done with the Eagles. Sharp and something else not to bid. Can’t see it happening

I’m still hoping that once Dimma is announced that he can persuade a gun to come to the club that we can somehow use pick 4 on.

The issue is that you'd be stuck with Harley Reid?

 

[Zach Package]

Dogs in the van surely?

Two first rounders for GC first rounders with some other moving parts around the fringes.

 

[hilly]

Does anyone know what the rule is regarding Northern clubs being able to match bids in relation to whether they play finals? Was mentioned somewhere today that the Suns don't have this issue in terms of the three players in their academy.

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[The Filth Wizard]

It would be a pretty bold strategy for the two of the worst teams in AFL history to trade out an F1. I can’t see it happening.

I could see us do it, not the Eagles. As I posted earlier, we might get a couple of extra hits if the media buzz is accurate and we can prelist Sanders and get 3 for McKay so if wanted to be aggressive that offsets the need to draft early next year. It could mean a draft of Curtin, McKercher, Watson (if the Hawks go Duursma or elsewhere), Sanders and say Archer Reid at the Port 1st rounder, 5 prospects in a single draft.

At that, I feel our future first would be the desirable asset based on the last couple of seasons so we could work on a player coming across too (I don't know how GC are with him but I've heard we hold an interest in Caleb Graham for example).

 

[Ichiro #51]

Getting a quality semi-mature player in has to be their priority. They would be absolutely desperate to get a big first year bump with Hardwick coming aboard. Plus, their actual draft position isn’t likely to be relevant over the coming seasons with the academy players lined up. The fact that that quality player could come from any of the 17 clubs makes it a very interesting watch.

 

[Iva Bigun]

Eagles F 1st isnt a low ball offer as a basis for a deal.

And I will bet a body part the Suns will trade pick 4 and if it does trade players out they will be very active in moving otjer picks into 2024. Even paying a premium to do so.

Because burning picks on nga bids isn't smart list management.

Academy guns not NGA coin toss selections.

Didn’t say anything about the Eagles F1 being lowball!!!!

 

[GoldenCoastalSunshine]

Richmond are the obvious team that should be going hard at the Suns to get into the first round.
We probably need to be creative with either points or salary packaging into how we'd actually get it from them though.

Points and futures is all that will really work. Players and salary cap stuff won’t cut it / missed the boat on that last year.

The only thing that could change the players convo is Hardwick, but you have no one you’d be willing to give up for pick 5 - and vice versa you have no one to offer us we’d want for pick 5.

 

[Keystone agony]

I've said why a few times, I think there are severe diminishing returns on the more top picks you have. You just end up not developing properly or having to ship them down the track through lack of opportunity. I think they are far better off keeping the pick and setting themselves up to getting into a cycle of basically being able to bring in three first round picks every year for the foreseeable future. Spread the talent acquisition

Plus, while I think the WC fans in that thread are basically clinging onto Reid like football Jesus and wouldnt want to give him up even if he said NicNat was overrated and Carlton Judd was the better Judd, I dont see any reason for North or WC to move any of the value of their picks into next year

Maybe the case

But the 4 or even 5 are very different players

Walter - KPF
Read - Ruck
H.Reid - Striker
Rogers - Small high half fwd
Graham - Half back flanker

 

[Iva Bigun]

In the entire history of the suns and the giants, has there ever been a genuine A grader, at the peak of their powers or approaching it, traded from one of the other 16 clubs to the Suns or Giants?

Gary Ablett went ok

 

[Iva Bigun]

Does anyone know what the rule is regarding Northern clubs being able to match bids in relation to whether they play finals? Was mentioned somewhere today that the Suns don't have this issue in terms of the three players in their academy.

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Apparently, if we made finals, we could only match bids on two of our academy players, at least that’s what’s been floating around our board.

 

[Keystone agony]

If i can get Reid for Pick 4, F1, Flanders/Hollands and J.Sharp whilst having enough points for the other 3 and that Reid is fine with relocating then im doing it

 

[Keystone agony]

Apparently, if we made finals, we could only match bids on two of our academy players, at least that’s what’s been floating around our board.

That is the rule, yes

 

[Iva Bigun]

I could see us do it, not the Eagles. As I posted earlier, we might get a couple of extra hits if the media buzz is accurate and we can prelist Sanders and get 3 for McKay so if wanted to be aggressive that offsets the need to draft early next year. It could mean a draft of Curtin, McKercher, Watson (if the Hawks go Duursma or elsewhere), Sanders and say Archer Reid at the Port 1st rounder, 5 prospects in a single draft.

At that, I feel our future first would be the desirable asset based on the last couple of seasons so we could work on a player coming across too (I don't know how GC are with him but I've heard we hold an interest in Caleb Graham for example).

Graham has about 2-3 years left on his contract. But he’s gettable as part of a trade

 

[Iva Bigun]

If i can get Reid for Pick 4, F1, Flanders/Hollands and J.Sharp whilst having enough points for the other 3 and that Reid is fine with relocating then im doing it

That’s a bigger haul than Carlton gave up to get Judd, and Judd was a proven superstar, you obviously rate Reid extremely highly