Analysis Hawks 2022 Hypothetical trades (read the pinned post)

[Strapping Young Lad]

Firstly, the "No Kane Cornes

Kane Cornes

Age

41

Ht

183cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.5

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

11.0

5star

M

5.2

5star

T

3.3

5star

CL

2.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.2

3star

" Rule is back

 

[TheFourPillars]

Just wow

Its worse than that its jom kosi and 22 for pick 12

 

[TheFourPillars]

Rcd is poor mans Howe. In fact Howe is probably degrees better than him and is also tougher

 

[kenneje]

Operation: Brown and Gold Remontada
Objective: Refresh the midfield and acquire an additional first round pick


IN
Karl Amon - Free Agent
Angus Brayshaw - Free Agent
Elliott Yeo - Tyler Brockman + 2nd Round (Bris)
Sam Flanders - Future 2nd Round

OUT
James Worpel + 2nd Round - First Round (Geel)
Jack Gunston - 2nd Round (Bris)

Final draft hand: 3, 16, 39, 57

 

[leathaleigh3]

I can’t stand the idea of keeping worpel ahead of guys like Mitchell, jom and even Howe. Worpel has to go. Even Howe is better defensively, a better mark, better by hand, has better tackling technique better by foot than worpel

 

[CHUBBSS]

Tom Mitchell to North for Brodie Grundy

4

Brodie Grundy

Age

30

Ht

202cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.1

5star

HO

32.0

5star

D

16.4

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.0

5star

HO

34.6

5star

D

13.8

4star

K

5.2

2star

HB

8.6

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

20.6

5star

 

[Ned Ryerson]

IN
Elliott Yeo - Tyler Brockman + 2nd Round (Bris)

OUT
Jack Gunston - 2nd Round (Bris)

Even if they lost McStay the Lions wouldn’t be so desperate for a forward that they’d give us a second rounder for a very banged up 31 year old Gunston.

And why would we recruit a 29 year old midfielder who hasn’t played a full season since 2019 and pay overs to achieve it?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Does GWS have academy picks they need next year? If so could we possibly trade a future first for their 2022 first and then have, as it stands now, picks 4 and 5.

 

[theiaofseed]

Brisbane will have two first round picks once McStay leaves Pick 16* and 17*

Gold Coast trade 26+30+33+44+48 for 16 and 17 ~ Gold Coast go to the draft with 8,16,17

Hawthorn trade Gunston for Pick 33

Brisbane match bid for Ashcroft with 26+30+44+48 ~ Go to the draft with Gunston, Ashcroft, 34,43

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Trade Tom Mitchell just to see how hard it hits Dominic03.

as long as we’re trading Jaeger and Wingard alongside King Tom so he’s not alone

 

[Blackhawk42]

I can’t stand the idea of keeping worpel ahead of guys like Mitchell, jom and even Howe. Worpel has to go. Even Howe is better defensively, a better mark, better by hand, has better tackling technique better by foot than worpel

You can't stand the idea of keeping the youngest player of that list who is also a Best and Fairest winner, at an important time in our rebuild?

Considering we know the footy Worpel can play without Tom Mitchell in the side, you move on the 29 year old before the 23 year old.

Unless a side is willing to pay up hard for Worpel I just don't see why we'd do it from a list management perspective.

I would move on Mitchell for a single second round selection at best if it meant we had a chance to overhaul our entire midfield set up.

 

[Jables]

You can't stand the idea of keeping the youngest player of that list who is also a Best and Fairest winner, at an important time in our rebuild?

Considering we know the footy Worpel can play without Tom Mitchell in the side, you move on the 29 year old before the 23 year old.

Unless a side is willing to pay up hard for Worpel I just don't see why we'd do it from a list management perspective.

I would move on Mitchell for a single second round selection at best if it meant we had a chance to overhaul our entire midfield set up.

We really blaming Mitchell for Worpels form now? He doesn't do anything good with the ball, so what difference does it make if Mitchell takes away some of his possies? I don't care about moving most of them on one way or the other, the AFL is very much a what have you done for me in the last 3 years type of league. Err, besides being our reigning B&F winner.

 

[Blackhawk42]

We really blaming Mitchell for Worpels form now? He doesn't do anything good with the ball, so what difference does it make if Mitchell takes away some of his possies? I don't care about moving most of them on one way or the other, the AFL is very much a what have you done for me in the last 3 years type of league. Err, besides being our reigning B&F winner.

At this stage of our rebuild it's worth more to take the punt on Worpel recapturing his best form (which is B&F quality) than to move him on and retain a 29 year old who is regressing and doesn't suit a new, fast moving game plan. In my opinion.

Worpel at least has some qualities to suit Sams game plan. Could they be harnessed without the need to fit Tom Mitchell into the starting 22 every week?

 

[Dewwwww]

In - Jordan De Goey

2

Jordan De Goey

Age

28

Ht

188cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.7

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.7

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.1

5star

CL

2.3

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.7

3star

CL

2.3

4star

D

11.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

4.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

as a free agent and bring back Buddy’s minder









Sorry…..I’ll see myself out

 

[Ned Ryerson]

People expecting anything higher than a 3rd round pick for Gunston are being silly on multiple fronts - namely, no club is going to give away a first or second round pick for a 31 year old forward who has had injury issues for 2 seasons now. And more obviously, Gunston is an UFA who can walk for free. Given that he’d only get a 1 year deal elsewhere on a moderate salary I wouldn’t expect much in the way of a compensation pick.

I love Gunners but let’s be reasonable.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Paddy Dow

WTF?

Paddy Wow, no thanks.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

We really blaming Mitchell for Worpels form now? He doesn't do anything good with the ball, so what difference does it make if Mitchell takes away some of his possies? I don't care about moving most of them on one way or the other, the AFL is very much a what have you done for me in the last 3 years type of league. Err, besides being our reigning B&F winner.

This "Mitchell is the issue" fallacy has been proven to be just that, so many times.

Worpel's issues are his own. It's not Mitchell's fault that he's simply a much better player than Worpel is. It's also not his fault that Worpel is not skilled nor versatile enough to play any other roles within the side.

Several teams make it work with multiple strong contested midfielders. Why can't Worpel work it out?

It's been two and a half years now, it's clearly time to stop blaming others and blame the actual person responsible, Worpel himself.

 

[burner1]

Kosi to dees for their future first (and Bedford?)

Outside maybe Taylor Walker or mcstay (pies) what other key forwards could dees get? And they need a kpf urgently. He will be the cheapest on dollars and can provide a contest.

Paddy Wow, no thanks.

Even for a future 4th?

Also isn’t Gunston a FA?

 

[eldorado]

It's been two and a half years now, it's clearly time to stop blaming others and blame the actual person responsible, Worpel himself.

Hopefully, his stint at Box Hill, and his return game against the Dogs, point to better things ahead...

(Not that he was great, but certainly his best showing in a long while)

 

[burner1]

Brockman for Jack Petruccelle

21

Jack Petruccelle

Age

25

Ht

188cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.2

2star

K

6.2

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

6.7

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.7

2star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.3

2star

G

0.7

4star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.6

3star

in a straight swap?

 

[Steven Tyler]

You can't stand the idea of keeping the youngest player of that list who is also a Best and Fairest winner, at an important time in our rebuild?

Considering we know the footy Worpel can play without Tom Mitchell in the side, you move on the 29 year old before the 23 year old.

Unless a side is willing to pay up hard for Worpel I just don't see why we'd do it from a list management perspective.

I would move on Mitchell for a single second round selection at best if it meant we had a chance to overhaul our entire midfield set up.

Worpel ain’t much chop

 

[eldorado]

Whimsical scenario: A homesick Jai Culley asks a for a trade back to Victoria...Brockman goes to the Eagles

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Whimsical scenario: A homesick Jai Culley asks a for a trade back to Victoria...Brockman goes to the Eagles

Do it!

 

[Blackhawk42]

Worpel ain’t much chop

Simplistic and dismissive view.

We know Worpel can play better football than he has shown recently. His drop off has been steep, but there is still a temporary feel to it.

Mitchell has also dropped off by comparison to his peak form, and it is hurt now by being a 29 year old one-dimensional midfielder with no ability to play elsewhere, in a rebuilding side playing faster footy. Certainly quicker than his skillset at the very least.

Mitchell is a superior footballer to Worpel, but the question must be asked at this point in our rebuild if it came down to trading one...

29 year old with deficiencies not quite suited to our rebuild. Despite being the better footballer.
23 year old with deficiencies who could recapture form as rebuild evolves.

I don't mind if people disagree, but if I'm content taking taking the risk/reward method on Worpel over Mitchell if I had to move on one from our list.

 

[SSSSSS]

Operation: Brown and Gold Remontada
Objective: Refresh the midfield and acquire an additional first round pick


IN
Karl Amon - Free Agent
Angus Brayshaw - Free Agent
Elliott Yeo - Tyler Brockman + 2nd Round (Bris)
Sam Flanders - Future 2nd Round

OUT
James Worpel + 2nd Round - First Round (Geel)
Jack Gunston - 2nd Round (Bris)

Final draft hand: 3, 16, 39, 57

Worpel + what looks like a low 20s pick for 16 is a pretty crappy deal. Especially when we are so paper thin in midfield, not only for best 22 players but depth.

 

[Steven Tyler]

Simplistic and dismissive view.

We know Worpel can play better football than he has shown recently. His drop off has been steep, but there is still a temporary feel to it.

Mitchell has also dropped off by comparison to his peak form, and it is hurt now by being a 29 year old one-dimensional midfielder with no ability to play elsewhere, in a rebuilding side playing faster footy. Certainly quicker than his skillset at the very least.

Mitchell is a superior footballer to Worpel, but the question must be asked at this point in our rebuild if it came down to trading one...

29 year old with deficiencies not quite suited to our rebuild. Despite being the better footballer.
23 year old with deficiencies who could recapture form as rebuild evolves.

I don't mind if people disagree, but if I'm content taking taking the risk/reward method on Worpel over Mitchell if I had to move on one from our list.

I wouldn’t care if we traded both