News Hawthorn Racism Review - No player name speculation - opposition posters tread very carefully

[Strapping Young Lad]

Wrong. Hawks did what they had to do by the rules of the AFL.

Correct. For reference below, once the HFC had the report outlining serious allegations they were duty bound by the AFL’s protocol to hand over the report to the AFL integrity unit.

I will pin this post, as it seems to be a constant query.

 

[kazzooka]

Uncorroborated statements.

Compared to all the documentation Hawthorn is now presenting in court.

Which holds more weight ?

Yes, and it's up to the court to decide if allegations are true. Courts have the power to get that documentation

The journalist is NOT reporting that events in the allegations occurred. They are reporting that allegations have been made.

It is 100% undeniable fact that the allegations were made to the club in the Egan report, to the journalist and they have continued to peruse it in mediation and in federal court.

It is absolutely in the public interest to report that serious allegations are being made.

Also while it looks like Hawthorn have provided some evidence to counter some of the allegations. Some have been admitted to like Clarkson saying "why do they all have darker skin than you", Birchalls comments and others.

There are many responses from Hawthorn that are simply "the club denies this" or "does not know"

What we've seen from the statement of claim and response, are both very biased accounts of events and this is months and months later with 100s of hours of work done by both sides to prepare their arguments and much of what is alleged or denied is still without proof.

They still need to go to court to test the claims in the original claim and test Hawthorns response.

 

[unitedhawk]

it’s at the fed court and people still complaining about the ABC

I sometimes wonder if we have some Murdoch Media muppets infiltrating this thread.

 

[Harper_Hawk]

I sometimes wonder if we have some Murdoch Media muppets infiltrating this thread.

I have thought that myself on a number of occasions reading this thread.


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[DogDaySonny]

I have thought that myself on a number of occasions reading this thread.


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And here I thought the thread was full of ABC NPCs.

 

[Harper_Hawk]

And here I thought the thread was full of ABC NPCs.

No media alignment here. Never will be. Question everybody and anything including those so called legal eagles in the forum. Only positive from this saga is that ALL player and staff welfare in the organisation moving forward will hopefully be front and center when communicating. Not PC but with empathy.


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[Suntory Boss Coffee]

No media alignment here. Never will be. Question everybody and anything including those so called legal eagles in the forum. Only positive from this saga is that ALL player and staff welfare in the organisation moving forward will hopefully be front and center when communicating. Not PC but with empathy.


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Just follow your ABCs when reading any news tbh.
Assume nothing Believe nothing Check everything

 

[seysearles]

Not PC but with empathy.

I like this way of putting it. There should always be a place for empathy but at the same time one can not allow emotional blackmail. Dancing that line is tricky but is what needs to be done by all parties. It also means not flinching when the inevitable insults are flung in your direction. This seems to be where clubs struggle because the label of “racist” seems so toxic and has been weaponised. We really have to move past that dynamic but as you say do so with a fair and empathic mindset. Not easy.

 

[hawkinoz]

Has this been posted here, Well done to Roughy for showing the Hawks way to a younger team mate

 

[Randy Campbell]

Has this been posted here, Well done to Roughy for showing the Hawks way to a younger team mate

There's nothing you can do that can't be done
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung
Nothing you can say, but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy

Nothing you can make that can't be made
No one you can save that can't be saved
Nothing you can do, but you can learn how to be you in time
It's easy

Nothing you can know that isn't known
Nothing you can see that isn't shown
There's nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be, it's easy

All you need is Rough
All you need is Rough
All you need is Rough, Rough
Rough is all you need.

 

[onthemoney]

Would signing a deed and receiving a payout figure be reasonably common when a player retires before the end of a contract?

Or is this a pretty unique situation in the AFL?

I know of it happening in workplaces as a way of putting a full stop on a dispute, often paired with clauses about each party not disparaging each other.

 

[kazzooka]

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Would signing a deed and receiving a payout figure be reasonably common when a player retires before the end of a contract?

Or is this a pretty unique situation in the AFL?

I know of it happening in workplaces as a way of putting a full stop on a dispute, often paired with clauses about each party not disparaging each other.

Standard practice I believe. Rioli retired mid 2018 and had a contract till the end of 2020.

Both would need to agree on a figure owed, and Rioli would need to agree that he can't come claiming payments for the 2019 and 2020 period of the contract that he didn't fulfil.

 

[onthemoney]

Standard practice I believe. Rioli retired mid 2018 and had a contract till the end of 2020.

Both would need to agree on a figure owed, and Rioli would need to agree that he can't come claiming payments for the 2019 and 2020 period of the contract that he didn't fulfil.

Thanks, yeah so more likely a function of settling the contract, than trying to buy silence on an issue.

 

[Randy Campbell]

Thanks, yeah so more likely a function of settling the contract, than trying to buy silence on an issue.

The Standard 'Money / Fair and Safe' workplace matrix.

 

[NewkTheLot]

Standard practice I believe. Rioli retired mid 2018 and had a contract till the end of 2020.

Both would need to agree on a figure owed, and Rioli would need to agree that he can't come claiming payments for the 2019 and 2020 period of the contract that he didn't fulfil.

Whether it’s standard or not, the document was presumably agreed with the Kennett / Shannyn incident known to all parties. As well as agreeing the figure for the rest of Cyril’s contract the club would have wanted, to put it bluntly, to make that incident go away.

 

[Lebbo73]

ABC had evidence, they had first hand statements.

It's not up to the journalist to determine if the allegations are true, that's for the courts.

They reported that the egan report existed - Fact

They reported that players made various allegations - fact.

They do not need to investigate the claims made by an interviewee they just need to quote them. A journalist does not have the ability to compel a witness to make a statement, to access text and email records etc...

The ABC did not make a claim that the allegations are false or that they are true.

Whether the ABC is right or not, they’ve been getting their backsides kicked in court a lot lately.

 

[peetoo]

Whether it’s standard or not, the document was presumably agreed with the Kennett / Shannyn incident known to all parties. As well as agreeing the figure for the rest of Cyril’s contract the club would have wanted, to put it bluntly, to make that incident go away.

Maybe the ‘truth telling’ was part of the agreement….and it didn’t work out how Cyril wanted

 

[goldfinger]

Maybe the ‘truth telling’ was part of the agreement….and it didn’t work out how Cyril wanted

Age reporting that a settlement has been reached

 

[Manila_Hawk]

Age reporting that a settlement has been reached

Hawthorn have settled their Federal Court case with Indigenous former players and their families, apologising for their experiences at the club, and reaching a financial settlement.

After two days of mediation this week, the players and club agreed to a carefully worded statement acknowledging the matter was resolved.

More to come

 

[Brishawk]

Hawthorn have settled their Federal Court case with Indigenous former players and their families, apologising for their experiences at the club, and reaching a financial settlement.

After two days of mediation this week, the players and club agreed to a carefully worded statement acknowledging the matter was resolved.

More to come

The expected outcome. Hopefully there is something that comes out of this that allows everyone to move forward.

 

[wahawk]

WALKING TOGETHER

JOINT STATEMENT
OF THE HAWTHORN FOOTBALL CLUB
AND
CYRIL RIOLI, SHANNYN AH SAM-RIOLI, JERMAINE MILLER-LEWIS, MONTANAH-RAE LEWIS, CARL PETERSON AND LEON EGAN
IN FEDERAL COURT PROCEEDING NO. VID 728/2024


1. The former players, partners, and their families commenced Federal Court proceedings alleging that Hawthorn Football Club engaged in acts of racial discrimination that had a significant impact on them.

2. Hawthorn accepts that the allegations were made in good faith, and has heard, respects, and accepts that they represent their truths. Hawthorn is sorry and apologises that the former players, partners, and their families, in either pursuing a football career, or in supporting such a person, experienced ongoing hurt and distress in their time at the Club.

3. Hawthorn remains committed to providing a safe environment for First Nations peoples and the elimination of all forms of racial discrimination.

4. No person should suffer to pursue a career in football. By the former players, partners, and their families sharing their truths and raising their allegations, this has provided valuable learnings for the Club and has greatly assisted the Club in improving its processes, education and the care it provides to each First Nations player and their support persons. The Club thanks the former players, partners, and their families for their courage in providing this guidance.

5. As a direct result of the allegations raised by the former players, partners, and their families, Hawthorn has:

a. established a First Nations Advisory Committee comprising the Chair and the CEO, Professor Barry Judd, Aunty Joy Murphy, Alan Thorpe and Chad Wingard

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b. developed and implemented a First Nations strategic plan with the expertise and advice from several First Nations advisors, with experience from the AFL, Victorian Equal Opportunity & Human Rights Commission and Victorian Government;

c. expanded the role of its Indigenous Player Development Manager, which now incorporates Head of Indigenous Affairs;

d. in constructing a future home at the Kennedy Community Centre, is seeking to ensure a culturally safe environment by:

i. the re-location of the established Tyetdji Yulk cultural room currently at Bunjil Bagora, Waverley Park, to a prominent position overlooking the entrance of the Harris Elite Training Facility;

ii. the inclusion of a yarning circle which overlooks the main training oval and nearby to the main entrance; and

iii. the potential inclusion of an outdoor community and ceremony space embedded to the south of the main facility footprint.


6. Hawthorn continues to learn from the experiences of the former players, partners, and their families and all people involved with the Club. The fact the former players, partners and their families feel the way they do about their time at Hawthorn will continue to guide how the Club interacts with and supports First Nations peoples moving forward.

7. Hawthorn is committed to working with, and welcoming back, the former players, partners, and their families in the hope that they will feel able to return to the Hawthorn Football Club.

8. Hawthorn and the former players, partners, and their families have chosen to settle the Federal Court proceeding, without determination of any parties’ allegations, in the best interests of everyone. Hawthorn and the former players, partners, and their families wish to record their thanks to Ms Kate Eastman SC and Mr Mick Gooda, who mediated this proceeding, for the assistance they provided the parties in being able to reach a resolution of this litigation

 

[Nuggets73]

“Hawthorn and the former players, partners, and their families have chosen to settle the Federal Court proceeding, without determination of any parties’ allegations”

Expected outcome … sad, would have preferred this to go public

 

[pattymalone00]

WALKING TOGETHER

The official AFL website of the Hawthorn Football Club

www.hawthornfc.com.au

 

[Books]

“Hawthorn and the former players, partners, and their families have chosen to settle the Federal Court proceeding, without determination of any parties’ allegations”

Expected outcome … sad, would have preferred this to go public

This may be unsatisfying, but it is probably the best outcome.

Anything public would result in embarrassment for the claimants, or the club, or both.

 

[Cyril says]

I’m glad it’s settled and we’ve learned some lessons from it.

The club needs to move on.

Hopefully the Clarko/Fagan part goes down a similar pathway.

GO HAWKS.

 

[Nuggets73]

This may be unsatisfying, but it is probably the best outcome.

Anything public would result in embarrassment for the claimants, or the club, or both.

I hear ya, but I’d rather hear the truth than have the findings swept under the rug.