Autopsy Hawthorn v Geelong - opposition supporters coming to troll will be carded

[bigfarter]

Roughy isn't the type to come out and say it happened though. He'd rather ignore it and pretend it didn't happen

If it was said, I would hope Roughy or someone from the Hawks would report it because that's absolutely not on. If it wasn't whoever started the rumour is an absolute garbage person.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

If it was said, I would hope Roughy or someone from the Hawks would report it because that's absolutely not on. If it wasn't whoever started the rumour is an absolute garbage person.

Given I've had experience with sledging(albeit from a fan directed at Gibson), the club does what the player wants, as it is them that gets dragged into the spotlight

 

[mikeder]

Shi

Yeah. Shiels did one of those kicks in the third quarter, I think, that just flabbergasted me. The group is obviously trying to make aggressive plays that will open up the opposition but the plays are risky, requiring high skill execution, and we're being outworked off the ball so they are rarely cleanly available.

shiels needs to spend some time at BHH in an effort to gain what he is now lacking.

 

[becalm]

As Dermi said, our premiership players are mentally and emotionally exhausted. They have had to perform at their best for upto eight years while every other team has lifted against them. So we are in transition and have to accept the pain of losing but continue to support our players and give the younger ones time to develope.

I believe this is spot on.

 

[drazah]

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I'm not here to troll, but can someone explain this to me? Is it supposed to imply that was a St Kilda-like performance? Or that St Kilda will win in round 6?

 

[grumbleguts]

So it turns out it is the first time in the history of the game (1897 to 2017) that a team has kicked more than ten goals in a quarter without kicking a behind. It is also the largest score in the the final quarter hawthorn has conceded since the 1984 grand final.

 

[satan1]

I'm not here to troll, but can someone explain this to me? Is it supposed to imply that was a St Kilda-like performance? Or that St Kilda will win in round 6?

They have our first rounder

 

[drazah]

They have our first rounder

Oh right, thanks.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

As Dermi said, our premiership players are mentally and emotionally exhausted. They have had to perform at their best for upto eight years while every other team has lifted against them. So we are in transition and have to accept the pain of losing but continue to support our players and give the younger ones time to develope.

It's an interesting observation from someone who played 8 grand finals for 5 flags from 1983-1991, so he would probably be able to empathise more than most .... certainly more than a Caro or a Robbo.

Most of the media can't understand how a team that played 4 GFs in row can suddenly collapse. If they just took a look at the number of teams that won back-to-back flags since Brisbane Lions (2001-03), they may start to realise something.

Power couldn't do it, Eagles couldn't do it. Collingwood weren't up to it, not even their darlings Sydney or Geelong could manage back-to-back flags. Then along came Hawthorn. Most people said they couldn't go BTB .... they did. Not only did the Hawks pull what most of the "experts" considered to be impossible, they went one better to pull of the 3-peat.

Backing up a flag is a difficult thing to do, and yet the Hawks did it twice in a row. I think there's merit in what Dermie says, the effort to win a 3-peat just has to take its' toll on some of the players.

Those people saying Gibson and Burgoyne are cooked, I say bullshit. Once the team starts to gel together and their roles are clearly defined, they'll still be great value for the Hawks.

 

[Bumps"N"Grins]

were you at the game Bumps? it was a living nightmare for me. I saw Hodgey working hard, I saw Gibbo almost dead trying his heart out.......

Yeah I was there Misty, don't enjoy going down in games and hate losing to the cats about as much as having my appendage jammed in a car door. Yes some players were running themselves into the ground with effort and getting little reward for it, I'm not one to breakdown entire play list and critique their performances only to say that Gibbo looks about as devoid of confidence as any player I have seen for some time

 

[becalm]

We have had extraordinary success and Wrighty has been a key figure in that, some of the trades have been masterstrokes, look at the Silk, Lake and Hale trades, we don't win flags without those moves.

There has also been some monumental **** ups that we are now paying for, I can't help but to think if we shied away from trying to recruit the athletes and teach them footy then we would be in a better position.

The TOB drafting was a head scratcher, what he is producing now is exactly the type output he was giving at under 18 level. Hartung pick was poor, have a look at some of the players drafted after him - Merrett, Mcstay, Nankervis, Dumont, Hewett, Barass, Alir, Fantasia, Hunt, Amon, Laird.. All those guys would add significantly more, it's grim reading. The Howe pick is still up in the air but how handy would a guy like Blakely be right now? Or a Mitch Mcgoven or Jack Lonie? I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but we haven't made the most of our recent earlish draft picks.

We need to consider trading some established guys to regenerate the list, we need to get into the draft and get in as early as possible, consider drafting footballers first rather than elite athletes or runners.

What draft picks would we get for our "established guys". Saying it is easy doing is just a little more difficult.

 

[Bumps"N"Grins]

Serious question.. Is "having a go" good enough for professional footballers who are earning millions of dollars throughout their career, spend all their time training and perfecting their art? Would having a go be accepted at other elite sporting organisations? Having a go doesn't cut it for mine. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm not saying I'm wrong but I personally can't cop having a go as plausible. He is an absolute legend of the club, duel Peter Crimmins medalist and triple premiership star, but it's time to move on, we need to filter the new blood into this footy club.

Agree with most here and understand you're by excellence. Some on here are calling for wholesale blooding of less experienced players and I agree to the point of needing to filter this and blend the youth with older players so long as these older players haven't checked out mentally already, hence stating that I felt that Gibbo was having a go or a crack if you will. The need to filter in the new blood is just as important as the need to stage manage the exit of our soon to retire ageing stars.

 

[Crankyhawk]

#FreeKickGeelong

It's just unfortunate they have so many friends in the media (and we have none)
They'll make finals on the back of that crap

Then our exiting players need to end some cats seasons when we play the return match.

F**k hope adelaide take the cats out in a prelim.

 

[Taskmaster]

Then our exiting players need to end some cats seasons when we play the return match.

F**k hope adelaide take the cats out in a prelim.

Adelaide, GWS, WB, WC are all over the bs cats. Geel are no where near winning a GF. They are the modern day pretenders!

 

[Hawkas1988]

I'm on the crows this year. Crows winning with Danger and Selwood crying

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[LuckyHawk]

Adelaide, GWS, WB, WC are all over the bs cats. Geel are no where near winning a GF. They are the modern day pretenders!

They are still not tough enough, just as Sydney exposed them in the prelim last year they will be exposed this year.
Too many Mutflop types.

 

[chefmeister]

Any truth to the rumor that oxygen thief Stephen Motlop sledged Roughie's battle with cancer?

Where did you hear this rumour?

 

[thejockey]

As Dermi said, our premiership players are mentally and emotionally exhausted. They have had to perform at their best for upto eight years while every other team has lifted against them. So we are in transition and have to accept the pain of losing but continue to support our players and give the younger ones time to develope.

A lot of merit in this . The majority of the guys have also in effect played an extra season of hard high intensity games over the past 5-6 seasons
It has to take some sort of toll

 

[tige19]

What draft picks would we get for our "established guys". Saying it is easy doing is just a little more difficult.

If we could break into the 10-20 by trading an established player I'd do it, I'm not going to name names out of fear of being ridiculed by the flog squad. But if there was an opportunity to get in early then I'd do it, particularly in this draft which by all reports is pretty strong.

 

[thejockey]

Where did you hear this rumour?

I'm going with its a rumour and a terrible one at that
As much as the cats/hawks may dislike each other there is too much class at the top of Geelong imo to allow that to just go by.
Cant imagine Dangerfield, Selwood, Brian Cook etc allowing that type of thing

 

[thejockey]

If we could break into the 10-20 by trading an established player I'd do it, I'm not going to name names out of fear of being ridiculed by the flog squad. But if there was an opportunity to get in early then I'd do it, particularly in this draft which by all reports is pretty strong.

I think this will happen , cant help but think there was some sort of method to the madness of being willing to pass that first pick on

 

[Dixie Flatline]

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[Bumpswithagrin]

As Dermi said, our premiership players are mentally and emotionally exhausted. They have had to perform at their best for upto eight years while every other team has lifted against them. So we are in transition and have to accept the pain of losing but continue to support our players and give the younger ones time to develope.

Surprised they have maintained it for this long to be honest. Everyone has a slump at some point. We will continue to be a successful club over time I am sure.

 

[Gene Simmons]

What I have learnt so far in 2017... We have alot of great 'complimentary' players in our side - complimentary as in they need to perform alongside an A-Grader in order to perform...

Problem is, time has finally caught up with our A-Graders and they are in decline - and these great complimentary players are being found out.

 

[Great 2008]

If we could break into the 10-20 by trading an established player I'd do it, I'm not going to name names out of fear of being ridiculed by the flog squad. But if there was an opportunity to get in early then I'd do it, particularly in this draft which by all reports is pretty strong.

Must say this forum is ultra depressing atm.

FWIW I am backing Clarko in over the next 3 years to turn it around. If Hawthorn are still measuring KPI's they would know who is cooked and who is not. If it is mental then stuff knows.

I think you are right we need to buy back into the first round and use free agency, if possible, to speed up a rebuild. I do not subscribe to the previous exploits earn you a 'premiership hero badge' which makes you impervious to being dropped or traded.

If you are not delivering you know the score. It is a professional sport. If all you have left to offer is war stories at the next premiership reunion it is time to go. You know when you are done; although denial influenced by fame, status, money and ego would cloud the judgment .

Over the years I have played sport I have helped unleash the axe and been hit by it. It stings at any level.