Preview Hawthorn Vs Geelong - Monday 17 April @3:20pm

[Art Vandelay_]

Duncan backed it up on the Sunday footy show too. Harry is taking a defender away from Hawkins. They're all preaching the company line.

I hate to agree with the man-bimbo Lloyd but he's right.

man-bimbo lol that got a chuckle and pretty apt too.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Thurlow - Bruest
Guthrie - Rioli
Henderson - Roughead
Lonergan - Vickery
Mackie - Gunstan

Perhaps swap Thurlow and Mackie if needed? Or inevitably move Taylor back

I wouldn't move Mackie from Breust. That's a long standing win for us so keep that mental pain on Breust knowing he's on a player that's bitched him numerous times.

 

[The rabbi]

Look if I had a broken **** I'd be missing an awful lot more than four weeks of footy.

So would your hand.

 

[iameviljez]

Thurlow - Bruest
Guthrie - Rioli
Henderson - Roughead
Lonergan - Vickery
Mackie - Gunstan

Perhaps swap Thurlow and Mackie if needed? Or inevitably move Taylor back

I like that, but I'd consider shifting the spare footy bin onto Vickery if required.

 

[Cronin]

There's a reason Hawk is second in the AFL goal kicking and Menzel equal third.

Because we have Selwood and Dangerfield playing for us?

 

[catempire]

There's a reason Hawk is second in the AFL goal kicking and Menzel equal third.

Yeah, reasons that have zero to do with Harry Taylor.

 

[catempire]

He was on gameday this morning and was asked about it.
Was very intent on pointing out that Taylor is creating space for Hawkins and Menzel whom have 22 goals combined.

He did admit it wasn't working as well as they thought it would but that was a positive byproduct of Harry up forward. I guess until he's not there we won't know how much off an effect he's having on that.

That's fine but at the moment he's a shadow of what Stanley provides as a forward.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Yeah, reasons that have zero to do with Harry Taylor.

How do you know?
Again, look at last year, now look at this year, what's the 1 and obvious change?
So how do you KNOW it has zero reason to do with Harry when current evidence, coaches and players say it does?

What are the reasons then?

 

[Cronin]

I was thinking the same but with Tuohy, Mackie, Thurlow, Guthrie and Ruggles I reckon we are covered for defenders. That's not even including Lonergan, Henderson and Taylor (if he moves back).

Jed Bews is a much better one-on-one defender than Ruggles and because he's got pace he can also be used off HB.

Not sure why Ruggles and Stewart are both getting games ahead of him.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

That's fine but at the moment he's a shadow of what Stanley provides as a forward.

Big call, not sure how I feel on it given stanley is a shit forward.
We've had Stanley as a forward and yet Hawk has been 2v1, however he's getting more 1v1 with this. We could always send him back mid game as we have been doing too.

Stanley imo would be about the worst person to partner Hawkins, flat out don't rate him as a forward.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Murdoch has no future.
No point playing a bloke when we can give the games to someone else worthy of success in the long term.

Same goes for Cowan and I reckon Smith is in dire trouble. He needs to assess what he really wants to be doing because as a 400k per year ruckman in the AFL, he's one of the worst going around.
He should have slaughtered bloody Watts. Out-weighed and out-stretched him.
No wonder the Suns were laughing when we came a knocking.

Unfortunately, Smith lacks any real physicality or presence. He was pretty good in the 1st quarter yesterday, but he just can't sustain it for a whole game. If he could build a good fitness base and get a bit of mongrel in him, with his size, he could be a really damaging ruck for us.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Big call, not sure how I feel on it given stanley is a shit forward.
We've had Stanley as a forward and yet Hawk has been 2v1, however he's getting more 1v1 with this. We could always send him back mid game as we have been doing too.

Stanley imo would be about the worst person to partner Hawkins, flat out don't rate him as a forward.

Neither did St.Kilda. In fact, they didn't rate him at all. If Stanley has to become a permanent forward for us, we are in real strife.

 

[catempire]

How do you know?
Again, look at last year, now look at this year, what's the 1 and obvious change?
So how do you KNOW it has zero reason to do with Harry when current evidence, coaches and players say it does?

What are the reasons then?

How does anyone know? We don't get to observe the counterfactual. It's just an opinion.

 

[catempire]

Big call, not sure how I feel on it given stanley is a shit forward.
We've had Stanley as a forward and yet Hawk has been 2v1, however he's getting more 1v1 with this. We could always send him back mid game as we have been doing too.

Stanley imo would be about the worst person to partner Hawkins, flat out don't rate him as a forward.

Says a lot about Harry as a forward that Stanley is pretty poor but better than Harry.

I'd like to see Stanley not have to juggle being a part time ruck and just be told to play the role they want Harry to right now. Stanley has much better forward craft but it's a tough ask being told to ruck at least a third of the game and be a good forward too.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

In: Stanley, Bews, Horlin-Smith

Out: Hawkins, Tuohy (inj) Murdoch

 

[Cronin]

How do you know?
Again, look at last year, now look at this year, what's the 1 and obvious change?
So how do you KNOW it has zero reason to do with Harry when current evidence, coaches and players say it does?

What are the reasons then?

Our defence is weaker.

They're robbing Peter to pay Paul because supposedly Taylor is drawing the defenders away, which may be true but surely someone like Stanley could have the same effect only be a lot more damaging on the scoreboard and would still give us a target if Hawkins or Menzel were to get injured.

IMO Harry Taylor makes no sense up forward given what we're giving up in defence.

 

[frggr]

Unfortunately, Smith lacks any real physicality or presence. He was pretty good in the 1st quarter yesterday, but he just can't sustain it for a whole game. If he could build a good fitness base and get a bit of mongrel in him, with his size, he could be a really damaging ruck for us.

Is it true we're not running a full-time ruck coach? Seems like a pretty big oversight, given the uh...skill-level of our ruck stocks.

 

[you pick one]

Yeah, reasons that have zero to do with Harry Taylor.

That's fine but at the moment he's a shadow of what Stanley provides as a forward.

Is it working?it appears to have some benefits over last year.
Is it stop gap? undoubtable.
Is Stanley the answer?hasn't proved to be so far.
Is the answer even on our list?Black,Buzza,Sav, Blitz,all long odds.
Is the answer back to the trade table? unfortunately that looks best chance.

 

[Cronin]

Says a lot about Harry as a forward that Stanley is pretty poor but better than Harry.

I'd like to see Stanley not have to juggle being a part time ruck and just be told to play the role they want Harry to right now. Stanley has much better forward craft but it's a tough ask being told to ruck at least a third of the game and be a good forward too.

Agree.

At the end of the day we don't have a lot of options but not having Taylor in defence would have to be the least ideal option.

 

[iameviljez]

How do you know?
Again, look at last year, now look at this year, what's the 1 and obvious change?
So how do you KNOW it has zero reason to do with Harry when current evidence, coaches and players say it does?

What are the reasons then?

I think the major change is our ball movement out of defence - Tuohy has helped enormously with that. We are coming out of half-back a bit faster and it has helped to get Hawkins, Menzel and McCarthy one-out.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Says a lot about Harry as a forward that Stanley is pretty poor but better than Harry.

I'd like to see Stanley not have to juggle being a part time ruck and just be told to play the role they want Harry to right now. Stanley has much better forward craft but it's a tough ask being told to ruck at least a third of the game and be a good forward too.

Agree to disagree I think, not how I'd assess Stanley.

 

[dazbroncos]

*flips table*

Looks like it will take some losses for the change to be made. Unfortunately.

I suppose the upside is let him start there for fist 1/4.. then play down back the last 3/4..

Although as much as I dislike it, Hawks and especially Gibbo are getting caught out this year against taller F lines.

Vickery, Gibbo, Frawley and McEvoy are not having the same impact as a back 6 of previous Hawks iterations.

Taller F lines have hurt them a bit.. and we used to trouble them in the Jpod days the same way.

Clearly, Jpod and HT forward are entirely different animals.. but roll the dice for a but and see if it sticks.

Im sure it wont and we'll revert but im curious for a bit...

Go Catters

 

[BUSTER29]

I wouldn't move Mackie from Breust. That's a long standing win for us so keep that mental pain on Breust knowing he's on a player that's bitched him numerous times.

Breust kicked 3 and was named in the Hawks best in the Qualifying Final cliffhanger if i remember right?

 

[year of the cat]

In: Stanley, Bews, Horlin-Smith

Out: Hawkins, Tuohy (inj) Murdoch

Am I missing something?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Breust kicked 3 and was named in the Hawks best in the Qualifying Final cliffhanger if i remember right?

Outlier I'd imagine as he's rarely played well. Just like Cyril with that one time he kicked 6 on Taylor/Enright.