Preview Hawthorn Vs Geelong - Monday 17 April @3:20pm

[MacStradbroke]

Oh come on. Roughead is a better tall forward than anything we've had for 25 years.

The fella to the left played in that time. 3 big tons too. got Rough covered.

 

[Bobby_]

The fella to the left played in that time. 3 big tons too. got Rough covered.

He wasn't tall though

 

[ijaxcat]

Yes I've already conceded he's played well so far and he's had to because both Ruggles and Stewart have been poor 1-on-1 defensively.

My point is he's getting old and should not have to play on small forwards when you've got a guy like Jed Bews who's only 23 and has proven to be more than capable of stoping the opposition's best small forwards, yet can't get a game because the coach obviously doesn't rate him.

When has Bews shown himself to be MORE than capable of stopping the best small forwards?

 

[cats_09]

When has Bews shown himself to be MORE than capable of stopping the best small forwards?

Versus Adelaide twice last year - Betts started the first match well, but after half time Bews limited his impact.

Bews was then bought back into the team when we played Adelaide for a second time last year just to play on Betts

 

[ijaxcat]

Ruggles ahead of Thurlow. Why?

Like you said earlier about Bews and Stewart, different player.
Think about it.

 

[CatRiot]

I would have not played Cowan in this game, and experiment with playing both Menegola and GHS, whilst sending Guthrie down back. Maybe even drop Stewart. I think Murdoch could've been a weapon on this bigger ground too.

 

[ijaxcat]

I have a feeling Cockatoo won't play, might need another week.
Murdoch looks the obvious one to miss, and I think Thurlow might join him.
Bench: Blicavs, Duncan, Ruggles, Menegola.
I am surprised about McCarthy, I thought that was his best game for the year last week, including preseason.

 

[ijaxcat]

There'd be those screaming racism.

Sadly, true.

 

[cats_09]

I have a feeling Cockatoo won't play, might need another week.
Murdoch looks the obvious one to miss, and I think Thurlow might join him.
Bench: Blicavs, Duncan, Ruggles, Menegola.
I am surprised about McCarthy, I thought that was his best game for the year last week, including preseason.

McCarthy's opponent last week was Jayden Hunt: 30 disposals, 9 marks, 3 tackles, 4 inside 50s & 1 goal. It was career high disposals, kicks, marks and equal career high goal total from Hunt.

Only Jones had more of the ball for the Demons.

While Linc got more of the ball than normal, his 1 tackle, 1 goal, 3 frees against and the game that Hunt produced kinda gave the MC enough to send him back to the VFL.

 

[Ray Donovan]

Perhaps the height thing is a bit of history repeating.

Hawks pre Chip and Lake, struggled with Hawkins and Jpod.

Gibson is a shell of his former self. Shoenclangers is forward now. Frawley has been exposed.

Hawkins, ( HT plays back) Stanley up forward, plus Smith/Blitz pushing forward at times, Menz and Cocky/Parsons/BP, Mots at their feet.

I dont think they have the defenders to counter the height all the time. McEvoy is out of form.

Ive been all for the Banthebombitlong - but maybe for a period of this game its worth a try.

Go Catters

Interesting one the extra height in the side i have liked our much more mobile lineups with 1 tall out and blicavs as the backup thought our side looked more balanced. It's funny when we played 4 KPD for most of last year and we were top heavy but it seemed to be the counter attack from smaller defensive setups that caused us the most headaches defending and pressuring out of our own attacking 50 was the problem for mine. The Hawkins, Taylor, Stanley or smith all together poses some real question marks but it like all team experimentation is worthwhile for a look.

Adelaide at full strength have Walker, Jenkins, Mcgovern and Lynch as talls with sauce resting.

West Coast
Kennedy, Darling, and a combination Natanui, Lycett, Mcgovern ( Vardy, Petrie) all floating through.

GWS
Cameron, Lobbe, General patton

Sydney

Franklin, Tippett, Sinclair, Reid

Dogs are a shorter setup but still can become tall when healthy

Cloke, Crameri, Boyd, Redpath, Cordy and jake stringer can play a bit taller lots of variety depending which way they were to go which is probably the dogs strength.

So i can see a place in time for the 4 KPD as maligned as it is and as slow as it can make our rebound and ball movement from defence look.

 

[Ray Donovan]

I'm not sold on it either because well, they haven't done it before.

And I'd prefer to play Henderson at CHB too with Gardner eventually at FB, but you also have to fit Taylor and Kolo down there so while it's a nice problem to have options, it's still an issue.

Yeah i really liked the look of

Kolo Taylor Mackie
Thurlow Hendo Tuohy

Something like that structure mobile all good users of the ball you retain some leg speed and all good kicks of the football.

Percentage of chance of the happening 0 or through injuries

 

[Catgirl]

Talk footy, it's not that ****ing complicated?

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[David the Cat]

The topic of this thread is Hawthorn v Geelong, not for points scoring or political agendas. Its a little tiring deleting and editing off topic posts.

I'm deleting so many posts on this thread I can't keep up.

As Catgirl has pointed out..........."Talk footy, its not that ****ing complicated"

 

[Daniel McL]

So... footy!

This is the type of game we usually lose...

Menzel will kick 5+

 

[Bobby_]

So... footy!

This is the type of game we usually lose...

We need to get physical and target Tom Mitchell.
He's averaging 14.5 contested possessions per game which would be the second highest if he were at Geelong, now I'm guessing it will be Sam Menegola and Cam Guthrie who are given the task of bashing and crashing and hopefully, we see Mitchell succumb to the beating's and he second guesses himself in going for that contested footy late in the fourth quarter.
This will be the ball game when that happens.

 

[HellasOle]

Tom Mitchell will struggle because he is not a number 1 mid
He has 3-4 other good mids around him that made him look good
He has poor efficiency and does rack up lots of possessions that he doesn't utilise well

 

[Bobby_]

Tom Mitchell will struggle because he is not a number 1 mid
He has 3-4 other good mids around him that made him look good
He has poor efficiency and does rack up lots of possessions that he doesn't utilise well

I agree.
We don't have anyone capable of matching his style anyway. He plays like Selwood and is going to get his 30 disposals no matter what.
Better off nullifying one of their main ball carriers. Try and prevent Smith from gaining 25 disposals because without Birchall (and Hill traded), he and Rioli are now called upon to play out of their comfort zone and do much more than usual.

 

[Catgirl]

Firstly,I will assume you are part of that mad left.
The sudden rage, not just at that comment, but the assumption that everything about me must be unacceptable because my political ideology is different to your's.
You complain about personal comment and abuse with more, and worse abuse.
You feel the need to question that I contribute anything to society, yes I do, and continue to do so, in the hope we can save it from the insanity of
the PC, identity politics, victimology rubbish that is eroding our culture.
Your response, which questions not only my comments to other posters but attempts to denigrate my value in society is typical of your ilk and leaves no
doubt what you are.
I can also assure you, the mad left of today have absolutely nothing to do with the rights I had as a worker or the rights I hold grave fears for now.
If I had not mentioned the mad left, your reply no doubt, would have been benign or perhaps, non existent. This is how, as they say, you roll.


Before I saw your reply, I was actually sitting here thinking that I would back off a bit on the posting.
There are 3 or 4 posters (now 5) who infuriate me with their unbending agendas against certain players.
I have in the past attempted to address this differently, only to come to the conclusion that it's not possible to change them.
I have taken the path of deriding their opinions and maybe I need to reassess that, however if you disagree logically and politely the derision very often
comes back the other way.

Happy to take this to PM if you'd like to continue with the mindless assumptions. As for this thread, keep to the topic. Football.

 

[Catdog]

Burgoyne is the one that can hurt us, limit his silky skills will help us.

Hawks will turn up, but its the Cats who should decide the outcome.

Need to be switched on from the first bounce, get early goals is the key.

No catch up footy/running players into form (Cyril)

 

[supahoops]

Mitchell is a contested bull no doubt, but he has also for all of his short career so far been the 3rd of 4th banana... at the moment he is the main man. It makes absolute sense for all of our blokes to try pressure him... you have listed off players you have cherry picked to suit your argument, but Selwood/Danger/Cocky etc etc can all tackle and it isn't about scaring the shit out of somebody, these blokes are professional footballers... they aren't scared of a contest. It is about relentless pressure which will wear down a player quicker, and especially one who now finds himself the key cog.

You target him and the rewards should be seen as the game wears on as the physical battering takes it's toll.


That said I think that if we bring the right intensity and pressure every Hawk player should feel the pressure, or at least I hope that is what will happen.

Cockatoo to Mitchell, will take him to the ball, Cocky will let him know he's played a game and can make him accountable with his pace to run off him. Wouldn't mind seeing this at some stage..

 

[Art Vandelay_]

We need to get physical and target Tom Mitchell.
He's averaging 14.5 contested possessions per game which would be the second highest if he were at Geelong, now I'm guessing it will be Sam Menegola and Cam Guthrie who are given the task of bashing and crashing and hopefully, we see Mitchell succumb to the beating's and he second guesses himself in going for that contested footy late in the fourth quarter.
This will be the ball game when that happens.

Lol Stan The Caddy suggested as such two days ago and you dug him out for it now say the same thing.

 

[Ray Donovan]

We need to get physical and target Tom Mitchell.
He's averaging 14.5 contested possessions per game which would be the second highest if he were at Geelong, now I'm guessing it will be Sam Menegola and Cam Guthrie who are given the task of bashing and crashing and hopefully, we see Mitchell succumb to the beating's and he second guesses himself in going for that contested footy late in the fourth quarter.
This will be the ball game when that happens.

He is a handy little player bobby and racks up contested possessions at will. Although he is the type of guy that is always going to rack up big numbers for two reason A he is excellent contested ball player and reads the play very well. And B teams can afford to let tom mitchell kick it 20 times because he is just a serviceable kick.

You don't want burgoyne, Hodge, Smith type with time and space you give them 5 touches forward of centre they could cut you up. That's pretty similar to menegola in a way great in the contest and will rack up the ball at will but he just doesn't hurt you by foot like a mitch duncan so he is a guy if your the opposition you want kicking the ball.

I don't think we should do anything different this week just set up around the clearances to pressure mitchell in close and make his possessions tough same as any good mid.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I'm happy for Mitchell to get as many disposals as he wants, he simply doesn't hurt sides when he gets it. The players you don't want getting the ball are Issac Smith and Isaac Smith. We can't afford to give him space, he's one of there few genuine weapons on the outside and they've struggled in this area without Hill and Smith's dominance.

 

[hbk_aus]

Lol Stan The Caddy suggested as such two days ago and you dug him out for it now say the same thing.

I think you missed Bobby's sarcasm...

 

[you pick one]

Clarko supplied two cartons of piss for his boys following their defeat last week,a soul searching exercise or something.
The look on Hodge's face when some one done the maths and explained to him it's only it's only a couple each and a few spares.

Who drank the spares?
Not me!